Were The Ramones the most overrated band of all time?

nullzero · 30-03-2019 11:36AM

They're a band who have their t-shirts worn by people who've no idea what punk is never mind having listened to their music.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-03-2019 11:37AM

Speaking of Black Flag, Henry Rollins must be the biggest clown in the history of music.

A complete pseudo intellectual .

Gingganggooley · 30-03-2019 11:41AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Never had a hit, all their songs sound the same, 3 chord bull****.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Ironically all they had was their image, lank hair and leather jackets.

What they had was their "sound" and it was really, really good. This what any decent band yearns for and achieving it is more difficult than you think.

They didn't give a **** about having hits.

If you're a player, you will love them.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-03-2019 11:49AM

Gingganggooley wrote: »

What they had was their "sound" and it was really, really good. This what any decent band yearns for and achieving it is more difficult than you think.

They didn't give a **** about having hits.

If you're a player, you will love them.

They did care about having hits, Joey and John were very bitter over Blondie going mega. They considered them an opening act in CBGBs.

The lads would have sold out in a second if they caught on in the same way.

They tried it with Phil Spector but the songs just weren't there.

fattymuatty · 30-03-2019 12:04PM

I grew up with punk playing at home all the time so I will always have a soft spot for The Ramones. The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, X-Ray Spex, Adam and the Ants always make me think back to being a kid and my old man playing them on his record player.

Harry Palmr · 30-03-2019 12:13PM

Ramones on Top of the Pops - due to having had a single that was in the Top 40 - peaked at No 8.

https://vimeo.com/70671946

They were great for about two minutes - handily enough

weemcd · 30-03-2019 12:25PM

Rubbish band.

hetuzozaho · 30-03-2019 12:28PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Speaking of Black Flag, Henry Rollins must be the biggest clown in the history of music.

Think he just had a ****ty childhood. Seems a bit messed up because of it imo.

Yamanoto · 30-03-2019 12:32PM

Fanny **** wrote: »

Were they ever rated highly enough in the first place to warrant a discussion such as this?

For such an apparently limited outfit, they continue to be name checked often, as an influence on many bands.

I'd consider myself quite clued in musically, but I can't name a single song or album by 'em.

is_that_so · 30-03-2019 12:32PM

weemcd wrote: »

Rubbish band.

And the next sentence in this essay is ...?

Whether you like them or not they had a great sound, short snappy tunes and a very big influence on punk in the seventies and in genres beyond.

hetuzozaho · 30-03-2019 12:34PM

And people mentioning say the Offspring and other later punk bands as being good (which i agree, i love Smash!) I guess Ramones would've been an influence on those guys and other bands. Think it's often hard to put yourself back a few decades, The Ramones are rubbish but the Offspring are great does not work for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7I7cq72qg

steddyeddy · 30-03-2019 12:36PM

I was in a Ramones fan bar in Berlin. Anyone else been? Interesting place to say the least. One or two if the patrons were d1xkheads though.

hetuzozaho · 30-03-2019 12:38PM

This thread has me heading to this for some reason, that's my music sorted for the day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZ0sSStW6Y

ArchXStanton · 30-03-2019 12:40PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Speaking of Black Flag, Henry Rollins must be the biggest clown in the history of music.

A complete pseudo intellectual .

I preferred them with Keith Morris on vocals, Rollins only got the job after travelling a few hours to see them play, he had to work the next day as a manager in a Haagen Daas shop and they played clocked in for him were he jumped on stage and sang along with them.

The book get in the van goes into his early days in black flag, he was a very very angry man

thebaz · 30-03-2019 12:42PM

is this a wind up ??

Ramones were probably the most underatted band - influenced so many bands , and hardly had any hits themselves , and hardly made any money - but I dont know a better live band or a better debut album - anyway go back to the Bieber/Westlife/Sehearan playlists - they had hits, if thats what all you want .

PinotNero · 30-03-2019 12:45PM

Smithers, have the rolling stones killed!

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-03-2019 12:46PM

thebaz wrote: »

is this a wind up ??

Ramones were probably the most underatted band - influenced so many bands , and hardly had any hits themselves , and hardly made any money - but I dont know a better live band or a better debut album - anyway go back to the Bieber/Westlife/Sehearan playlists - they had hits, if thats what all you want .

Context and time period.

Loads of other bands in that genre did very well for themselves.

Ramones never shifted records. That's why they had to tour small venues relentlessly for 22 years.

Ferajacka · 30-03-2019 12:46PM

Under Rated: Yes

Over Rated: Maybe

Influencial: Hughely

Rothko · 30-03-2019 12:48PM

I don't see what record sales or hits have to do with anything.

thebaz · 30-03-2019 12:55PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ramones never shifted records. That's why they had to tour small venues relentlessly for 22 years.

Justin Bieber sells records - does that make him great - the Ramones struggle is one of the things that made them great - watch the documentary , as you can't see them live - and then tell me they wernt great. One of my top 3 bands of all time - it was ther get up and go that made me love music , and make it seam possible for everyone - and thats what rock nroll was supposed to be about..

RWCNT · 30-03-2019 12:58PM

Howling At The Moon is a banger.

Mad_maxx · 30-03-2019 12:59PM

Fanny **** wrote: »

Were they ever rated highly enough in the first place to warrant a discussion such as this?

Kind of band that other bands love more than regular people, the clash are like that to a lesser extent

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-03-2019 12:59PM

thebaz wrote: »

Justin Bieber sells records - does that make him great - the Ramones struggle is one of the things that made them great - watch the documentary , as you can't see them live - and then tell me they wernt great. One of my top 3 bands of all time - it was ther get up and go that made me love music , and make it seam possible for everyone - and thats what rock nroll was supposed to be about..

Listen to Johnny speak. He wanted the money, they used the struggling starving artists who never sold out excuse because they could never do in 20 albums what The Sex Pistols did in one.

ArchXStanton · 30-03-2019 01:14PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Listen to Johnny speak. He wanted the money, they used the struggling starving artists who never sold out excuse because they could never do in 20 albums what The Sex Pistols did in one.

I think the sex pistols were the start of the whole manufactured bad boy band image, their antics made them more famous, bad publicity is good publicity

looksee · 30-03-2019 01:21PM

No particular views on the Ramones but I have been earwormed by 'Ramona' since I saw that title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiua8HnKWjA ... Jim Reeves, lol.

hetuzozaho · 30-03-2019 01:33PM

looksee wrote: »

No particular views on the Ramones but I have been earwormed by 'Ramona' since I saw that title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiua8HnKWjA ... Jim Reeves, lol.

Penney's needs more Jim Reeves tshirts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpi8Bek6jdM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-03-2019 01:40PM

cjragoo wrote: »

Never heard a Ramones song so couldn't tell ya

You have, you just don’t know you have.

They’re grand. I can’t muster much enthusiasm.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Rory Gallagher, one of the greatest axmen of all time is not in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame but Johnny Ramone is?

It's ludicrous.

Ah, who cares about awards? So many deserving people not recognised and undeserving people recognised. Business as usual.

30-03-2019 01:41PM

I wouldn’t give a toss about their sales. However, what I’ve heard of them, I don’t like. Could be because I’m not a fan of the punk genre, although that never stopped me loving ‘anarchy in the uk’.

They seem to have been very influential though, so there’s that.

sligojoek · 30-03-2019 01:45PM

Francis Rossi: Have you ever listened to a Quo song and found yourself saying, "That song could really do with a 4th chord."?

30-03-2019 01:46PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I think the sex pistols were the start of the whole manufactured bad boy band image, their antics made them more famous, bad publicity is good publicity

I’d say the Stones were the prototype for that

Were The Ramones the most overrated band of all time?

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