Deaths of passengers in cases of careless and dangerous driving.

political analyst · 26-03-2019 04:16PM #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0326/1038735-waterford-court/

A 19-year-old man from Waterford has been sentenced to 14 months in prison for careless driving causing the death of a 16-year-old girl and for careless driving causing serious harm of two friends.

This is one of many cases in which people died in crashes caused by careless or dangerous drivers of cars in which the victims were passengers but the offending drivers survived.

What are the reasons for the drivers surviving while at least one of the passengers die? If the car being driven by the offending driver crashes into a wall or into another vehicle, one would assume that both the driver and the front-seat passenger would be more likely to die in the crash than the back-seat passengers (if there are any in the car).

Dial Hard · 26-03-2019 04:19PM

Not wearing a seatbelt in a lot of cases.

Fr_Dougal · 26-03-2019 04:35PM

If the driver had died they’d be talking about how great a guy he was, just like how the talked about that scumbag who crashed into and killed that poor man in Drumcondra last week.

Thoie · 26-03-2019 04:41PM

political analyst wrote: »

If the car being driven by the offending driver crashes into a wall or into another vehicle, one would assume that both the driver and the front-seat passenger would be more likely to die in the crash than the back-seat passengers (if there are any in the car).

Front seat passengers have airbags that back seat passengers rarely have. Back seat passengers (particularly older teens) may be more likely not to be wearing a belt. If you crash into a wall on your own side of the road, it's the passenger side that will hit the wall first.

Benny Biscotti · 26-03-2019 04:45PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

If the driver had died they’d be talking about how great a guy he was, just like how the talked about that scumbag who crashed into and killed that poor man in Drumcondra last week.

What's the story there?

Gonad · 26-03-2019 04:47PM

I always though this was because the driver instinctively direct himself/herself away from the impact ?

Fr_Dougal · 26-03-2019 04:56PM

Benny Biscotti wrote: »

What's the story there?

Allegedly the female driver had been at an all night party, speeding on the way home, hit one car, then ran into another car and killed a pensioner who was on his way to a hospital appointment.

Edgware · 26-03-2019 05:57PM

If passengers have no seat belt it's often injuries from hitting heads or the pillars of the car that cause death

Atlantic Dawn · 26-03-2019 07:19PM

I think the majority of the car collided on the left side with the wall...

Perfectly good laws in place for this to not have happened but driver couldn't give a flying fook. His boss/Dad should be joining him in jail.

political analyst · 26-03-2019 07:50PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Allegedly the female driver had been at an all night party, speeding on the way home, hit one car, then ran into another car and killed a pensioner who was on his way to a hospital appointment.

I'm just posting a link to that story her for the benefit of others.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/greatgrandad-and-young-mum-killed-in-horror-headon-crash-37943119.html

political analyst · 26-03-2019 07:54PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

If the driver had died they’d be talking about how great a guy he was, just like how the talked about that scumbag who crashed into and killed that poor man in Drumcondra last week.

Well, the woman who killed the elderly man in the crash in Drumcondra did pay the ultimate price by also getting herself killed in the process. Her two young sons are also victims because, whatever she did wrong, she was still their mother.

amcalester · 26-03-2019 07:54PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think the majority of the car collided on the left side with the wall...

Perfectly good laws in place for this to not have happened but driver couldn't give a flying fook. His boss/Dad should be joining him in jail.

Thought the same. The car was insured under a garage policy, I wonder why?

26-03-2019 08:06PM

Far too many of these boy racer díckheads and their invincibility - usually facilitated, as in this case and the one in Cork, by self-centred, couldn't-give-a-fúck parents.

Listening to that poor, poor girl's mother on Drivetime this evening speak about how every morning she tentatively puts her hand on her daughter's bedroom door to open it hoping against hope.... Jesus!

14 months for a life, and these gurriers and their souped-up weapons on our roads continue with their culture of speed, unsafe cars and unsafe driving. Far too many excuses made for these people, when the vast majority of Irish males could get through that stage in life without embracing that boy racer culture.

Atlantic Dawn · 26-03-2019 08:11PM

amcalester wrote: »

Thought the same. The car was insured under a garage policy, I wonder why?

Yes and I also thought most garage policies were 25 as minimum age and certainly would not cover a provisional driver at any level?

Roger Hassenforder · 26-03-2019 08:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Far too many of these boy racer díckheads and their invincibility - usually facilitated, as in this case and the one in Cork, by self-centred, couldn't-give-a-fúck parents
.

"He was on a learner permit and was not accompanied by a qualified driver.

His car was a high-powered, modified, Japanese import owned by the O'Shea garage. It was alleged he was driving at an excessive speed".

I dont know how, but parents should be held responsible in some way.

jimbis · 26-03-2019 11:25PM

Pretty sure that was my old car. Which I owned for 10 years without putting a scratch on it.

NoBread · 27-03-2019 10:24AM

jimbis wrote: »

Pretty sure that was my old car. Which I owned for 10 years without putting a scratch on it.

You must be one of the few who owned one and was responsible with it. Lets face it, Levin's attract knuckle draggers.

2Mad2BeMad · 27-03-2019 10:44AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Allegedly the female driver had been at an all night party, speeding on the way home, hit one car, then ran into another car and killed a pensioner who was on his way to a hospital appointment.

What made it worse for the family of the fella was both were buried at the same time in glasnevin cemetery. There was a lot of stares thankfully nothing kicked off.

Feel sorry for her kids couldn't imagine what it would be like growing up without a mother.

jimbis · 27-03-2019 11:53AM

NoBread wrote: »

You must be one of the few who owned one and was responsible with it. Lets face it, Levin's attract knuckle draggers.

I done my hard driving on track, I never had a point to prove or a need to show off when driving it on the road either.
But, I see knuckle draggers driving all sorts of cars. I suppose levins and similar cars stand out more than a Passat or golf.

V8 Interceptor · 27-03-2019 12:52PM

"Kate 'Katie' Murphy (16) died when the 1.6-litre Japanese car with a specially lowered suspension and low-profile tyres, being driven by Edward O'Shea, spun out of control and crashed"

Is there any particular reason the author of that article says the car was a 1.6?

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/i-pretty-much-knew-she-was-gone-heartbroken-dad-on-seeing-daughter-katie-16-at-scene-of-fatal-crash/ar-BBVhGUZ?ocid=spartandhp

Paddy@CIRL · 27-03-2019 01:03PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

"Kate 'Katie' Murphy (16) died when the 1.6-litre Japanese car with a specially lowered suspension and low-profile tyres, being driven by Edward O'Shea, spun out of control and crashed"

Is there any particular reason the author of that article says the car was a 1.6?

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/i-pretty-much-knew-she-was-gone-heartbroken-dad-on-seeing-daughter-katie-16-at-scene-of-fatal-crash/ar-BBVhGUZ?ocid=spartandhp

Well, it was a 1.6-litre but it just feels like unnecessary fluff to make the author look like they know what they're talking about. Engine size in this case is irrelevant, the actions & poor decision making of the driver and his parents are what caused the death of that poor girl. The car didn't drive itself into a wall.

rivegauche · 27-03-2019 02:06PM

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0326/1038735-waterford-court/

This is one of many cases in which people died in crashes caused by careless or dangerous drivers of cars in which the victims were passengers but the offending drivers survived.

What are the reasons for the drivers surviving while at least one of the passengers die? If the car being driven by the offending driver crashes into a wall or into another vehicle, one would assume that both the driver and the front-seat passenger would be more likely to die in the crash than the back-seat passengers (if there are any in the car).

https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/berlin-kudamm-raser-zwei-prozesse-ein-urteil-moerderische-heimtuecke-mit-604-ps_id_10508035.html
German text

Street Racers jailed for life for causing the death of a 69 year old man while racing on public streets. This is the judgement after appeal.

Different country, different standards.

monkeybutter · 27-03-2019 02:58PM

rivegauche wrote: »

https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/berlin-kudamm-raser-zwei-prozesse-ein-urteil-moerderische-heimtuecke-mit-604-ps_id_10508035.html
German text

Street Racers jailed for life for causing the death of a 69 year old man while racing on public streets. This is the judgement after appeal.

Different country, different standards.

different country, totally different story

Now why anyone would let their 16 year old out in a car is beyond me

granturismo · 27-03-2019 02:59PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"He was on a learner permit and was not accompanied by a qualified driver.

His car was a high-powered, modified, Japanese import owned by the O'Shea garage. It was alleged he was driving at an excessive speed".

I dont know how, but parents should be held responsible in some way.

The car was registered to his family's car sales business.

keyboard_cat · 27-03-2019 03:05PM

Reading reviews for the garage 6 months ago someone said
“Eddie really saved us yesterday when we had a flat tire in a rental car...”
Surely Eddie was put off the road and would be incapable of helping anyone stranded with a flat tyre?

rivegauche · 27-03-2019 03:16PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

different country, totally different story

Now why anyone would let their 16 year old out in a car is beyond me

I'm not seeing much of a difference...reckless disregard for the safety of others
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/father-of-girl-16-killed-in-road-accident-describes-absolutely-sickening-snapchat-videos-made-before-crash-913613.html

NoBread · 27-03-2019 03:51PM

granturismo wrote: »

The car was registered to his family's car sales business.

So that he could get insured in it no doubt.

mooseknunkle · 27-03-2019 04:41PM

keyboard_cat wrote: »

Reading reviews for the garage 6 months ago someone said
“Eddie really saved us yesterday when we had a flat tire in a rental car...”
Surely Eddie was put off the road and would be incapable of helping anyone stranded with a flat tyre?

His fathers name is Eddie

Roger Hassenforder · 27-03-2019 05:39PM

granturismo wrote: »

The car was registered to his family's car sales business.

I'd wager €3.60 his auld man was well aware.

V8 Interceptor · 27-03-2019 10:58PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

His car was a high-powered, modified, Japanese import.

Not sure if I'd call a 1.6 Corolla high powered. But it was obviously too much for him.

Eric Cartman · 27-03-2019 11:04PM

sure there was yer wan dayna kearney who was an unacompanied L driver killed 3 of her mates when she lost control driving on a flat tyre in a car with no nct.

no justice at all for the families and she didnt even admit she had any fault to bare in the accident.

Deaths of passengers in cases of careless and dangerous driving.

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