Drink driving-virtue signaling gone mad

xckjoo · 25-03-2019 06:46PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Because I change what I’m listening to often while driving. It can all be done through the cars radio without even looking at the phone. As I said I can also have messages read to me and respond again without touching the phone. Everyone takes their eyes of the road for a second here and there it’s nonsense to claim otherwise, it’s just part of driving.

Agreed. We can't stay completely focussed on the road for prolonged amounts of time. But that's why it's not a good idea to purposefully introduce additional distractions.

lawred2 · 26-03-2019 10:37AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Where are all these draconian check points? In 20 years of driving 700-1000km a week I have only been breathalysed twice, and both of them were outside festivals...

I've never been breathalyzed in twenty years of driving.

lawred2 · 26-03-2019 10:38AM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Personally I’d rather stay at home if I can’t drink, I go out to drink so going out without drinking has zero appeal.

grand stay at home then

safer for everyone including yourself

jmayo · 26-03-2019 11:31AM

Necro wrote: »

Got any facts to back up your anti-Garda nonsense? Any at all? Because what you're posting there is complete and utter mistruth.

I can only speak as a motorist for nearly 30 years.
And I bet others will back up my point about Garda presence at night as well.

In fact Gardai have admitted to me they aren't out at night because of lack of resources and decisions of superiors.

Over the years I have come across a few speedchecks at night or very early morning, once a late night checkpoint to check if drivers had been on that road a week previous when a burglary took place and a couple of checkpoints for tax/insurance after the scandal about all the bogus records came out.

Speaking of which how can you argue with facts about Garda checkpoints when they were found to be fraudulently fudging the facts?
Or would pointing out that be anti-Garda as well ?

BTW it is a bit rich you complain about others speaking utter mistruths with respect to the Garda when if anything the AGS have been the biggest purveyor of mistruths over the last number of years. :rolleyes:

Necro wrote: »

If you have to drive the next morning, don't drink.

It's really, really, really simple.

I don't care about the social aspect or what Jimmy and Johnny did 10 or 20 years ago - the fact is there were less cars on the road then - and people still died because of drink driving.

The country needs to wake up to this idea that a night out or social function HAS to be accompanied by alcohol. It's absolutely ridiculous.

It is perfectly acceptable to go out and have a bit of a laugh with your mates or whoever without having a drop of alcohol.

Spoken like somebody who doesn't ever drink and/or someone that has the privledge of adequate public transport options. :rolleyes:

lawred2 wrote: »

I've never been breathalyzed in twenty years of driving.

I have never been breathalyzed in nearly 30 years driving in Ireland, but have been breathalyzed in France, Australia and New Zealand.

xckjoo · 26-03-2019 12:11PM

jmayo wrote: »

Spoken like somebody who doesn't ever drink and/or someone that has the privledge of adequate public transport options. :rolleyes:

Spoken like someone who thinks their fun trumps everyone else's right to safety?

lawred2 · 26-03-2019 12:12PM

jmayo wrote: »

Spoken like somebody who doesn't ever drink and/or someone that has the privledge of adequate public transport options. :rolleyes:
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26-03-2019 12:43PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I've never been breathalyzed in twenty years of driving.

I’ve been breathalyzed twice in 17 years driving, one of the times I had actually had a drink too but passed easily.

amcalester · 26-03-2019 12:45PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

I’ve been breathalyzed twice, one of the times I had actually had a drink too but passed easily.

The time you'd had a drink, what did you blow?

26-03-2019 12:47PM

amcalester wrote: »

The time you'd had a drink, what did you blow?

Think it said zero on the machine but I was just told I passed and drive on. Was one pint drank about 15 mins before being checked.

Autecher · 26-03-2019 12:52PM

jmayo wrote: »

I have never been breathalyzed in nearly 30 years driving in Ireland, but have been breathalyzed in France, Australia and New Zealand.

Why were you breathalyzed in those countries? Were they checkpoints?

amcalester · 26-03-2019 01:09PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Think it said zero on the machine but I was just told I passed and drive on. Was one pint drank about 15 mins before being checked.

You can't really say you passed easily then, all you know is you passed.

26-03-2019 02:18PM

amcalester wrote: »

You can't really say you passed easily then, all you know is you passed.

I’m fairly certain the machine said zero as I could see it, also it gave a result quick. The people I know who have barely passed the machine took ages and the guard said as much to them, the fact it took ages meant they were very borderline and lucky to pass.

xckjoo · 26-03-2019 02:51PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

I’m fairly certain the machine said zero as I could see it, also it gave a result quick. The people I know who have barely passed the machine took ages and the guard said as much to them, the fact it took ages meant they were very borderline and lucky to pass.

It'll need x amount of time to get an accurate reading no matter what the blood alcohol level.

amcalester · 26-03-2019 03:11PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

I’m fairly certain the machine said zero as I could see it, also it gave a result quick. The people I know who have barely passed the machine took ages and the guard said as much to them, the fact it took ages meant they were very borderline and lucky to pass.

And you were there to see this?

I doubt the length of time it takes for the machine to give a result has anything to do with the levels being blown, probably more to do with the strength of the blow into it in the first place.

I think you're making stuff up to suit your agenda, you've already backtracked once having claimed to have seen lads (plural) pass the test after being out drinking only to later change it to 1 lad and heard stories of others.

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

I’ve seen seen lads on different occasions blow under the limit at times between 9am and noon after anything from 10 to 15 pints the night before finishing up at 2am at the earliest though which really does not tally with the number put out there.

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

I’ve seen it personally once at a random breath check point where I was a passenger and had good friends tell me they or the person driving was breathalysed in the morning on at least 3 other occasions.

26-03-2019 03:23PM

amcalester wrote: »

And you were there to see this?

I doubt the length of time it takes for the machine to give a result has anything to do with the levels being blown, probably more to do with the strength of the blow into it in the first place.

I think you're making stuff up to suit your agenda, you've already backtracked once having claimed to have seen lads (plural) pass the test after being out drinking only to later change it to 1 lad and heard stories of others.

Look believe what you want, I would trust a good friend the same as if I saw it myself hence why I said I had seen it.

I can guarantee you that a guard said the fact it takes longer is a bad thing to a friend who was bagged, he was absolutely positive he was going to fail also as it was morning after a feed of drink the night before. Now maybe it’s not actually true (that it takes longer if there is alcoho) lbut I am 100% positive it was said to him as I would believe my good friends (obviously many here have no trust in their friends).

I have absolutely no reason to make stuff up.

ArrBee · 26-03-2019 03:26PM

amcalester wrote: »

And you were there to see this?

I doubt the length of time it takes for the machine to give a result has anything to do with the levels being blown, probably more to do with the strength of the blow into it in the first place.

I have a feeling there is a relationship between speed of result and amount of alcohol.
but it is the reverse of what was suggested!

In my tests with a home machine, I found that it took longer to register a zero result but if I'd had a few beers it have a result very quickly.
Different machine, I know, so it may not be this way at a checkpoint but it stands to reason I guess... The more alcohol present the easier it is to detect?

amcalester · 26-03-2019 03:32PM

ArrBee wrote: »

I have a feeling there is a relationship between speed of result and amount of alcohol.
but it is the reverse of what was suggested!

In my tests with a home machine, I found that it took longer to register a zero result but if I'd had a few beers it have a result very quickly.
Different machine, I know, so it may not be this way at a checkpoint but it stands to reason I guess... The more alcohol present the easier it is to detect?

I'm not sure either, but the one time I was tested I hadn't had a drink in days and was getting nervous with the amount of time it was taking to give a result.

amcalester · 26-03-2019 03:37PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Look believe what you want, I would trust a good friend the same as if I saw it myself hence why I said I had seen it.

I can guarantee you that a guard said the fact it takes longer is a bad thing to a friend who was bagged, he was absolutely positive he was going to fail also as it was morning after a feed of drink the night before. Now maybe it’s not actually true (that it takes longer if there is alcoho) lbut I am 100% positive it was said to him as I would believe my good friends (obviously many here have no trust in their friends).

I have absolutely no reason to make stuff up.

You may not be making stuff up but you're not exactly a reliable source (and I don't mean that to be insulting), simple fact is that for a lot of what you're posting here as fact you didn't witness, it's second hand info and as such should be taken with a pinch of salt.

xckjoo · 26-03-2019 03:58PM

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Look believe what you want, I would trust a good friend the same as if I saw it myself hence why I said I had seen it.

I can guarantee you that a guard said the fact it takes longer is a bad thing to a friend who was bagged, he was absolutely positive he was going to fail also as it was morning after a feed of drink the night before. Now maybe it’s not actually true (that it takes longer if there is alcoho) lbut I am 100% positive it was said to him as I would believe my good friends (obviously many here have no trust in their friends).

I have absolutely no reason to make stuff up.

It's more that human memory isn't the best and people don't remember things correctly, stories mutate to suit unconscious biases, etc. Sure maybe your mate was still too drunk to remember correctly :pac:

TBH I'd say the Guard was just making it up to make your friend sweat. Looking up how they work, there's no obvious sign that the alcohol concentration is a factor in how long it takes to get a result.

alan partridge aha · 26-03-2019 04:34PM

ArrBee wrote: »

I have a feeling there is a relationship between speed of result and amount of alcohol.
but it is the reverse of what was suggested!

In my tests with a home machine, I found that it took longer to register a zero result but if I'd had a few beers it have a result very quickly.
Different machine, I know, so it may not be this way at a checkpoint but it stands to reason I guess... The more alcohol present the easier it is to detect?

How much is one of these devices and does it give you a proper reading.

jmayo · 26-03-2019 05:10PM

xckjoo wrote: »

Spoken like someone who thinks their fun trumps everyone else's right to safety?

What a load of shyte.
You know exactly jack shyte about me or probably for that matter most people who do see huge issues where there is little or no public transport.

Of course we all want to go out, get lamped and then go on a killing spree. :rolleyes:

Down our way we have a term for people like you that jump to massive assumptions about other people.

Just because some people can actually countenance how some people might actually only be able to avail of their own private transport if they chose to go out and they might like a drink in moderation.
The issues isn't old Jimmy down the road going down to the local pub and having a couple of pints over 3 or 4 hours.
It never was and it never will be.

On the other hand the guy at the other end of the bar having 4 or 5, before going round to his mates house or a local disco and having a feed more, plus possibly some controlled substances before then driving is the huge fecking problem.

No one is looking for no drink driving rules, bar a few lunatic attention seekers, and I don't think anyone looked for the limit that has been in place for years to be highered.
The solution is not screwing with the limits, but policing them when they should.

Autecher wrote: »

Why were you breathalyzed in those countries? Were they checkpoints?

France was coming off dual carriage and checkpoint at top of ramp roundabout and it was about 9pm and dark.
Australia was a Sunday afternoon in rural Western Australia and local petrol station guy said it was to catch guys heading back after weekend drinking in the big smoke.
New Zealand was police stop at night in Queenstown.

So contrary to some I wasn't on a global fun drinkaton to wreak havoc on poor unsuspecting law abiding individuals. :rolleyes:

BTW the most I have ever had to drink in nearly 30 years driving in 10 odd countries was once a mouthfull of cider.
And I wasn't meant to drive that evening, but had to leave very early.

Cienciano · 26-03-2019 05:19PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

How much is one of these devices and does it give you a proper reading.

I have one, about 10 or €15 will get you one. It won't be as accurate as the gardai one, but it'll give you a good idea. I use mine the next morning a few times and got the bus instead.
You know those mornings where you know full well you must have alcohol in your system.

ArrBee · 26-03-2019 05:21PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

How much is one of these devices and does it give you a proper reading.

I got 3 cheap ones from china.... about 5e each delivered.
Thought I'd take a gamble.

Not reliable enough TBH.

So since then did a little research and there are some that get recommended at about £100
Something about the method of detection being the same type as the cops use.
fuel cell Vs condenser or something.

this write up was especially detailed...
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/98271/best-breathalysers-2018

ArrBee · 26-03-2019 05:25PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I have one, about 10 or €15 will get you one. It won't be as accurate as the gardai one, but it'll give you a good idea. I use mine the next morning a few times and got the bus instead.
You know those mornings where you know full well you must have alcohol in your system.

You're lucky!

2 of mine can (inconsistently) show 0% after 3 pints!

blade1 · 26-03-2019 07:09PM

Would the guards breathalyse you if you asked them?
In the interest of safety they should but as it would mean them not nabbing someone, I reckon they would have no interest.

xckjoo · 26-03-2019 07:31PM

jmayo wrote: »

What a load of shyte.
You know exactly jack shyte about me or probably for that matter most people who do see huge issues where there is little or no public transport.

Of course we all want to go out, get lamped and then go on a killing spree. :rolleyes:

Down our way we have a term for people like you that jump to massive assumptions about other people.

Just because some people can actually countenance how some people might actually only be able to avail of their own private transport if they chose to go out and they might like a drink in moderation.
The issues isn't old Jimmy down the road going down to the local pub and having a couple of pints over 3 or 4 hours.
It never was and it never will be.

On the other hand the guy at the other end of the bar having 4 or 5, before going round to his mates house or a local disco and having a feed more, plus possibly some controlled substances before then driving is the huge fecking problem.

No one is looking for no drink driving rules, bar a few lunatic attention seekers, and I don't think anyone looked for the limit that has been in place for years to be highered.
The solution is not screwing with the limits, but policing them when they should..

That's all nice waffle and all but if you notice I posted 1) a question and 2) in response to you posting an assumption about a different poster and their experiences. It was more to highlight your blanket dismissal of their opinion with broad assumptions than some kind of accusation.
So tell me again the story about what ye call people that jump to conclusions about other people?

Eggs For Dinner · 26-03-2019 07:34PM

Bobtheman wrote: »

I honestly think its ok to drive a short distance (1-3 miles) with 3 pints. There I said it . We allow people to drink heavily which is always a health risk but seem hell bent on persecuting people with a few pints? Im talking about rural areas.

No I dont drive drunk. Never have.

If you've never done it, how do you know it's OK to drive with pints on board

Autecher · 26-03-2019 08:42PM

jmayo wrote: »

France was coming off dual carriage and checkpoint at top of ramp roundabout and it was about 9pm and dark.
Australia was a Sunday afternoon in rural Western Australia and local petrol station guy said it was to catch guys heading back after weekend drinking in the big smoke.
New Zealand was police stop at night in Queenstown.

So contrary to some I wasn't on a global fun drinkaton to wreak havoc on poor unsuspecting law abiding individuals. :rolleyes:

BTW the most I have ever had to drink in nearly 30 years driving in 10 odd countries was once a mouthfull of cider.
And I wasn't meant to drive that evening, but had to leave very early.

Thanks for that. If it seemed like I was having a go at you I wasn't, I was and am interested in how other countries do things like this.

davidk1394 · 26-03-2019 09:42PM

blade1 wrote: »

Would the guards breathalyse you if you asked them?
In the interest of safety they should but as it would mean them not nabbing someone, I reckon they would have no interest.

No they wouldn’t breathalyse you. I asked them to test me and they wouldn’t. I was in college and they were in a car and if I passed the test I would have drove to college.

AlekSmart · 27-03-2019 07:41PM

jmayo wrote: »

What a load of shyte.
You know exactly jack shyte about me or probably for that matter most people who do see huge issues where there is little or no public transport.

Of course we all want to go out, get lamped and then go on a killing spree. :rolleyes:

Down our way we have a term for people like you that jump to massive assumptions about other people.

Just because some people can actually countenance how some people might actually only be able to avail of their own private transport if they chose to go out and they might like a drink in moderation.
The issues isn't old Jimmy down the road going down to the local pub and having a couple of pints over 3 or 4 hours.
It never was and it never will be.

On the other hand the guy at the other end of the bar having 4 or 5, before going round to his mates house or a local disco and having a feed more, plus possibly some controlled substances before then driving is the huge fecking problem.

No one is looking for no drink driving rules, bar a few lunatic attention seekers, and I don't think anyone looked for the limit that has been in place for years to be highered.
The solution is not screwing with the limits, but policing them when they should.

France was coming off dual carriage and checkpoint at top of ramp roundabout and it was about 9pm and dark.
Australia was a Sunday afternoon in rural Western Australia and local petrol station guy said it was to catch guys heading back after weekend drinking in the big smoke.
New Zealand was police stop at night in Queenstown.

So contrary to some I wasn't on a global fun drinkaton to wreak havoc on poor unsuspecting law abiding individuals. :rolleyes:

BTW the most I have ever had to drink in nearly 30 years driving in 10 odd countries was once a mouthfull of cider.
And I wasn't meant to drive that evening, but had to leave very early.

You are on the money there..spot-on !

Even the briefest of reads through this fellah's rap sheet underlines the truth of your point of view...but i suspect it will be fought tooth and nail....

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-37-who-previously-knocked-down-and-killed-two-french-tourists-is-jailed-for-driving-at-garda-37957287.html

A man previously jailed for knocking down and killing two French tourists has been sentenced to three and half years in prison for driving at a garda while trying to escape arrest for burglary.

John Cash (37) was jailed for eight years in 2008 after he pleaded guilty to dangerous driving causing the death of friends Martine Talon (54) and Martine Liotard (53) on the Kylemore Road in Dublin on May 16, 2007.

The court heard during that sentence hearing, before the late Judge Katherine Delahunt, that Cash had drank 14 cans of cider, a bottle of whiskey and taken Prozac tablets before driving the car. He had been banned for driving for 20 years the previous year after he was convicted of dangerous driving.

Since killing TWO innocent people obviously does'nt qualify one for significant punishment,then the question is exactly what value the State places on the ordinary law-abiding citizen,over and above the repetititive leniency shown to the likes of Mr Cash...

He has 30 additional previous convictions which were all dealt with in the District Court and he was disqualified from driving at the time.

Thankfully,Mr Cash had the services of a Legal Professional to offer us some insight into his clients mind...

David Staunton BL, defending said his client acknowledged that he was wrong and was very regretful. He said he had been out of prison since 2014 and submitted to the judge that he was “not a person beyond reform”.

“He is acutely aware of his behaviour and wishes to amend his ways,” counsel submitted.

John Cash's original two French victims are 12 years dead now,so the elequent BL is to be praised for such fulsome service to his client on this additional matter.

14 Cans of Cider,a bottle of whiskey,and Prozac.

Plenty of dodged questions here,for sure.

Drink driving-virtue signaling gone mad

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