Madeleine McCann

Boom_Bap · 25-03-2019 04:20PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Perhaps we can move on from this bathing discussion, it's going nowhere and I can just sense trouble coming from it.

MonkieSocks · 25-03-2019 04:23PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

OwlsZat wrote: »

Anyone got a link to the phone records altering, the records of these specific dogs or the back story that Madeline was a somewhat difficult child.

Here's Gerry McCanns phone (Number ending 188) record from 2nd May 2007 to 4 May 2007

Nothing sinster here

tretorn · 25-03-2019 04:29PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

It is probably most likely that she caught someones eye and a decision was made to take her.

The only thing about this is Kate Mc Cann shouting "they have taken her", ie the immediate assumption that she didnt wander out the door herself. Even more bizarre is Kate Mc Cann leaving her two infant children in that apartment when she is screaming that someone has taken her eldest child.

Plumbthedepths · 25-03-2019 04:30PM

MonkieSocks wrote:

Nothing sinster here

Why would there be? It's calls/messages received and made no logs or message details.

Phoebas · 25-03-2019 04:30PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

tretorn wrote: »

I certainly dont see it as paedophilia or sexual abuse but its another indication that the Mc Canns were careless with their children. Most parents dont allow men to bathe their children, its an unnecessary risk so why do it when you could just as easily take care of your own children.

But you keep repeating this as if it was an established fact.
Can you provide the evidence that the McCann's were taking this 'unnecessary risk'?

OwlsZat · 25-03-2019 04:33PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Nicely played MonkieSocks. I'm not sure how so many of these tales grow legs... That's another myth debunked.

On the other concerns I listed. It's a pity the FOI on the dogs was denied, although the fact that one alerted once and not the other time in the same places asks questions in itself. The back story on Madeline was difficult, I'm not sure who would be brave enough to run that story...

The fact that Kate and Jerry had IVF to conceive Madeline makes giving her away for being difficult almost impossible for me to comprehend. Accidental death is a stretch but murder/giving her way for me is just totally out.

tretorn · 25-03-2019 04:37PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

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MonkieSocks · 25-03-2019 04:45PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Wombatman wrote: »

I found the bit where the dog finds the teddy in the press a bit odd.

It seemed to be the only item in there.

Why was it left there with nothing else? Looked like a bit of a staged find to me.

@ 0.56 Eddie is in Bedroom, goes into wardrobe and indicates nothing.
No Sign of Cuddle Cat
___________________________

@ 1.46 sitting room, Eddie pulls out Cuddle Cat
( Does not Bark/Alert to scent )

@1.54 Eddie has dragged Cuddle Cat To the middle of the floor
( Does not Bark/Alert to scent )

@ 2.03 Eddie walks by Cuddle Cat a few times:
( Does not Bark/Alert to scent )

____________________________

@ 2.23 We are back in the same Bedroom as above.

@2.59 MAN opens wardrobe door, Eddie enters.

@ 3.20 Eddie exits wardrobe;
( Does not Bark/Alert to scent )

@ 3.23 MAN opens wardrobe further and shows that Cuddle cat is there. :eek:
( Eddie did not Bark/Alert to scent )

____________________________

@ 3.42 Kitchen and Eddie……. Alerts.
____________________________

@4.48 We are back in the same Bedroom as above.

@ 5.08 Man opens wardrobe for Eddie. No alert

____________________________

@5.44 back in Kitchen

@ 5.51 Man picks Cuddle Cat out of kitchen cupboard and hold it up for camera

______________________________________________________

So Eddie didn’t alert to Cuddle Cat three times in the sitting room.

He didn’t alert to Cuddle Cat in the bedroom wardrobe.

And then alerted to Cuddle Cat in the kitchen

gozunda · 25-03-2019 04:47PM

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Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why would there be? It's calls/messages received and made no logs or message details.

What is relevant is that these logs had to be requested from various phone companies because Gerry and Kate had wiped their phones up to and including the day of Madeleines disappearance. This took time. The parents have never explained this why they did so. If they had nothing to hide - why make this an issue at all?

The problem was that at least some of the listed numbers had either changed ownership or were no longer used and impossible to follow up. I read a case file on this and the logistics of this search especially the international numbers were extremely difficult.

The parents certainly did not make it easy to for the police to easily eliminate their activities from their enquiries. Why the fek would anyone do this and tie up police time is beyond me ...

MonkieSocks · 25-03-2019 04:48PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Why would there be? It's calls/messages received and made no logs or message details.

Have you a reliable link to where it was said calls were deleted.

Offical Police link please, No blogs as they are not offical sources

Plumbthedepths · 25-03-2019 04:49PM

gozunda wrote:

The parents certainly did not make it easy to for the police to easily eliminate their activities from their enquiries. Why the fek would anyone do this and tie up police time is beyond me ...

To my mind they had no interest in helping the police.

OwlsZat · 25-03-2019 04:51PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

gozunda wrote: »

What is relevant is that these logs had to be requested from various phone companies because Gerry and Kate had wiped their phones up to and including the day of Madeleines disappearance. This took time. The parents have never explained this why they did so. If they had nothing to hide - why make this an issue at all?

Is there proof of this somewhere? Updated with link.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t611-the-deleted-phone-records-where-was-kate-mccann

RollieFingers · 25-03-2019 04:54PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Re: About the McCanns having a lack of empathy, their body language etc.

Have to agree with the previous poster who talked about the scene in the doc where Kate breaks down in private after the cameras stop recording their appeal. If she was involved in Madeline's disappearance and those were crocodile tears she needs an Oscar because that was brilliant acting.

gozunda · 25-03-2019 05:00PM

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OwlsZat wrote: »

I agree with Suzie putting her in a bin the way the events took place makes zero sense. Especially if its as cold and calculated as made out.

I don't necessarily believe that the bins were used for the disposal of a body. However that doesnt change the fact that the bins couldn't have all been thoroughly checked before they were emptied between 12.00 and 4.00am the next morning.

Theoretically a bin could make a easy place to hide a body temporarily. And before this idea is jumped on by going on about a largely unsupported timeline or the parents wot did / didn't do it - whoever may have killed the child (if indeed she was killed then) may well have just been lucky in deciding to do so or indeed may have panicked and used the bins because they were the closest things to hand.

Presuming that a bin was used only temporarily and the body hidden under rubbish then moved early in the morning or picked up by the waste disposal company - then no one would have been any the wiser and the search dogs would have detected nothing. Is it incredible that this might have happened? Yes. Is it possible? Yes it is imo.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2019 05:01PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

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yourdeadwright · 25-03-2019 05:05PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

<mod snip>rabble rabble rabble about bathing</mod snip>

gozunda · 25-03-2019 05:08PM

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OwlsZat wrote: »

Is there proof of this somewhere? Updated with link.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t611-the-deleted-phone-records-where-was-kate-mccann

Theres a whole raft of information etc on the PJ Files site. I really dont like that theres always a small cohort holding up signs saying 'nothing to see here - move along' tbh.

I just cannot get my head around the behaviour of the parents in relation to this tbh. I could say more but I'd probably get shot down in a hail of bullets tbh - I'll keep my own counsel

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2019 05:14PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Is there any actual evidence that they even did what they are being accused of? I'm coming up empty.[/QUOTE]

The Gasper family statement ,
I put it up for you but a mod took it down, no idea why ,

cnocbui · 25-03-2019 05:23PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

tretorn wrote: »

It is probably most likely that she caught someones eye and a decision was made to take her.

The only thing about this is Kate Mc Cann shouting "they have taken her", ie the immediate assumption that she didnt wander out the door herself. Even more bizarre is Kate Mc Cann leaving her two infant children in that apartment when she is screaming that someone has taken her eldest child.

It was possibly as long as two hours before Kate said that. The first Thing she seems to have said is 'she's gone'.

Steve F · 25-03-2019 05:28PM

cnocbui wrote: »

It was possibly as long as two hours before Kate said that. The first Thing she seems to have said is 'she's gone'.

Wheres your source for this please? Many many sources say she said it from the very beginning

MonkieSocks · 25-03-2019 05:28PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

gozunda wrote: »

Theres a whole raft of information etc on the PJ Files site.

Have you a reliable link to where it was said calls were deleted.

Offical Police link please, No blogs as they are not offical sources

Direct link to the page on the PJ site

chicorytip · 25-03-2019 05:40PM

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tretorn wrote:

The only thing about this is Kate Mc Cann shouting "they have taken her", ie the immediate assumption that she didnt wander out the door herself. Even more bizarre is Kate Mc Cann leaving her two infant children in that apartment when she is screaming that someone has taken her eldest child.

Presumably, she was not carrying a mobile phone and having run outside found nobody in the immediate vicinity of the apartment who she could have called for help. So what else could she have done? Try to rouse the sleeping twins and carry them back to the restaurant? It seems likely as well that her screams may not have been heard by the others who were at a distance of seven hundred metres away.

Phoebas · 25-03-2019 05:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Steve F wrote: »

Wheres your source for this please? Many many sources say she said it from the very beginning

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Statement of David Payne wrote:

1485 "No' That's okay. Can you recall shortly after that she went running off to the apartment block and she was saying they've taken her''
Reply "Mm.'

1485 "Is that what you said''
Reply "Mm, yes.'

1485 "She's taken, they've taken her''
Reply "She, you know, obviously there's what we've talked about when, you know, it's portrayed in the press about what she said, they've taken her, and that was definitely not, and that was, you know, or unanimous across everyone we'd all said that was not what she first of all said, you know, she's gone was you know the first words that she said.'

1485 "She first said that she's gone''
Reply "She's gone.'

Statement of Fiona Payne wrote:

1485
'And what did she say when she came back''

Reply
' 'She's gone Gerry, Madeleine's gone', I'm hundred per cent about that'.

Creol1 · 25-03-2019 05:45PM

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gozunda wrote: »

The bit about the halibut? I could only find that in a long clip so had to do with this one sorry! lol.

The "Even if someone DOES say Jehovah" bit!

cnocbui · 25-03-2019 05:45PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Steve F wrote: »

Wheres your source for this please? Many many sources say she said it from the very beginning

David told British police in 2008 that Kate had first told the group, "she's gone" when she came back to the restaurant from checking on her three children.

Kate later said, "they've taken her, they've taken her", according to David's testimony.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/who-tapas-7-mccanns-friends-14135573

I think the assumption later - that she had been taken - after 90 minutes of searching - was not an unreasonable conclusion. If she was aware Madeleine couldn't open the sliding door on her own, and she had searched the apartment, then I don't find anything unreasonable about her reasoning even if she had said that sooner.

Plumbthedepths · 25-03-2019 05:45PM

MonkieSocks wrote:

Have you a reliable link to where it was said calls were deleted.

Why are you asking me?

corminators · 25-03-2019 05:50PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Have you a reliable link to where it was said calls were deleted.

Offical Police link please, No blogs as they are not offical sources

Direct link to the page on the PJ site

http://bfy.tw/Mucr

Creol1 · 25-03-2019 05:54PM

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Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just saw an article in the Sun from yesterday looks like Gerry and Kate will have to pay G Amarals legal costs after they lost their libel case against him. Another 33k out the find Madeline fund I presume.

Thank goodness they have their mortgage paid off.

Phoebas · 25-03-2019 06:02PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just saw an article in the Sun from yesterday looks like Gerry and Kate will have to pay G Amarals legal costs after they lost their libel case against him. Another 33k out the find Madeline fund I presume.

Why presume it? Why not look up the accounts of the fund. Then you could post fact, rather than speculation.

MonkieSocks · 25-03-2019 06:03PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

corminators wrote: »

http://bfy.tw/Mucr

Thats a no so

Madeleine McCann

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