Madeleine McCann

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you have read all the comments here? I only ask as you have said you missed the poll because you were away.

No, I haven't read all of the comments, and if there are any posts that defend the McCanns for leaving the kids at home then I would disagree strongly with that opinion, as would the majority of people who think the McCanns are innocent of knowingly being involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have already told you I am not naming people on this thread. Now ask again if you wish but I will not be answering you.

I didn't ask you to name anyone, I asked you how many people.
But you clearly just can't back it up, that's ok all good.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have no intention of naming names, read back the thread if you wish. One has not been on thread for quite some time.

I only remember one really who decided they were actually not alone !
I don't remember more than one or two who felt what The Mc Canns did was right
Mind you that says a lot more about the poster as to be blind to neglect of children is not something to be proud of

Yeah I'm not sure anyone can defend leaving a 3.5 year old with two younger children alone while in a foreign country even if you are only 80 metres away..

micks_address wrote: »

id be curious to see a result of a poll on it, id imagine at least 85% of people would say leaving a 3.5 year old alone with 2 younger siblings in an appartment with an unlocked patio door while you sit across the road in a bar with no line of site to the house as being negligent..

I'd say higher, closer to the 100 mark.

SusieBlue wrote: »

I'd say higher, closer to the 100 mark.

of course hindsight is perfect but most people especially parents would probably lean towards saying it was negligent..

SusieBlue wrote: »

No, that's not the point that was made, so you are moving the goalposts now making it about something else.

The point made was that plenty of people on this thread allegedly think the McCann's have done absolutely nothing wrong in leaving their children alone in an unlocked apartment.

This is categorically untrue as its widely accepted on this thread that with the exception of possibly one person, everyone else agrees that leaving the children alone was indefensible and wrong.

I never said plenty of people think they done no wrong ,you may be mixing me up with someone else,

I'm just saying there strange people ,

I find it strange people like yourself will say 100% they where not involved ,

There is every possibility they where involved although not an indication alone of murder ,they where unfit parents and put there Children in situations I never dream of putting my own ( alone for hours, being bathed by male friends)

I can not see how one could not have worries about them ,the choices they make are utterly bizarre and dangerous to there children ,

If they did have something to do with Maddie's disappearance how could you be surprised given there behaviour ,

retro:electro wrote: »

Yeah very tragic case in Spain the poor little mite. I believe he fell down a well that was being dug illegally on private property.
I know Kate has previously said that if Madeleine were to wonder off that she would have taken cuddle cat with her. Also there’s debate over whether or not she would have been able to open the patio a door and subsequently close it behind her. A plausible theory however.

whatever about opening, i doubt very much she'd even bother trying to close it after her.. if she woke and thought she'd wander to her parents and went out the door then it would be open i think.. would she even know how to open ? i assume there was still a lever of some sort that needed to be moved to open?

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I never said plenty of people think they done no wrong ,you may be mixing me up with someone else,

I'm just saying there strange people ,

I find it strange people like yourself will say 100% they where not involved ,

There is every possibility they where involved although not an indication alone of murder ,they where unfit parents and put there Children in situations I never dream of putting my own ( alone for hours, being bathed by male friends)

I can not see how one could not have worries about them ,the choices they make are utterly bizarre and dangerous to there children ,

If they did have something to do with Maddie's disappearance how could you be surprised given there behaviour ,

I'm going to ignore your first two lines, as a Mod has already said to park that line of discussion.

But as for the rest of your post, its just pure projection.

I have never said that they were 100% not involved, in fact I can quote some posts for you where I say that I can see why others might think they are responsible.

I just think on the balance of probabilities, with the current evidence that's available, that they weren't involved as I don't see how its logistically possible.
Not because I think they are innocent at all costs.
If new evidence emerged that explicitly implicated them I'd be more than open to it.

That doesn't mean I excuse them leaving the children alone.
Making a stupid decision doesn't make them conspirators in the murder of their own child.

micks_address wrote: »

whatever about opening, i doubt very much she'd even bother trying to close it after her.. if she woke and thought she'd wander to her parents and went out the door then it would be open i think.. would she even know how to open ? i assume there was still a lever of some sort that needed to be moved to open?

In my experience three to four years old can manage a well used sliding patio door with little problem.

In the official police files there is a photo of David Paynes child who I believe was a bit younger as Madeleine at the patio door in her parents apartment with her hand on the lever of the door and she was not stretching to do so.

I have also known a three year old to let themselves out of a hotel room where his grandmother was asleep in the same bedroom. The child got up managed to unlock and open the door (round handle) go down the stairs and announce to all and sundry in the dining room that he needed to go wee wee!

Young children of that age have alot more motor skills than they are often given credit for.

I dont believe I ever saw a proper reconstruction with a child opening the door in the apartment. The McCanns and a number of media channels did various reconstructions including that of Tannerman sighting etc. It's a real pity this one wasn't ruled out tbh.