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Madeleine McCann

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  • #4982
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    OwlsZat wrote: »
    That's it like. There is repetition about this tennis bag. Did someone not confirm earlier all the luggage that came on holiday returned on holiday?


    Someone has posted up the same exact same photos from the OJ files several times afsik but the photos of the luggage ignore the possibility that the tennis / sports bag was brought over in one of the suit cases or as in the case of the sports equipment at the resort borrowed from what was supplied.

    The photo of the bag in the wardrobe can only be partially seen and it has been said that this is in fact the sportsbag and not one of the suitcases detailed. Later photographs show the bag moved from where it was in earlier photographs. Either way no sportsbag has ever been found.


  • #4983
    Calltocall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    OwlsZat wrote: »
    I don't think the funding works like that. They will continue to fund once there continues to be a definite line of enquiry. Which we are led to believe there is.

    Hopefully so, well from reading into the details there are certainly enough loose ends to warrant further investigation, it’s like being at a crossroads and i think the official focus went down the road of Murat, then onto The McCanns, the private investigators seem to have gone down the road of Murat, The Russian man then nowhere really, the american one went nowhere, yet there are other roads that i would hope the current investigation will look at intently, the blonde men spotted on the day by two separate witnesses acting suspiciously at the gate to mccans apartment, the bogus charity collectors, who were those guys.

    I lean towards an abduction but keep an open mind and not convinced of either scenario, my feeling is it wasn’t a criminal ring involved in smuggling kids as someone in that wide circle would have taken a ransom/talked etc, I lean towards an opportunist paedophile or someone who wanted to take a child and raise her as their own. Hoping it’s the latter and she is being well cared her oblivious to all that happened to her.


  • #4984
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Yea, I know it's the Sun, but for what it's worth, it's case related:

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/3902485/maddie-mccanns-parents-kate-and-gerry-owe-29k-libel-bill-to-the-portuguese-cop-who-accused-them-of-killing-their-daughter/

    If I had believed their story and paid into their fund to "Find madeleine", I'd be rightly peed off to be paying their legal bills.


  • #4985
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    OwlsZat wrote: »
    That's it like. There is repetition about this tennis bag. Did someone not confirm earlier all the luggage that came on holiday returned on holiday?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109758965&postcount=4870

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #4986
    brookers
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    Does anybody know what gerry mccann was wearing the night M went missing. Just curious as Martin smith gave a description of what the man carrying the child was wearing...


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  • #4987
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109758965&postcount=4870

    The tennis bag seems to be fairly put to bed here.

    http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2038.0


  • #4988
    OwlsZat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    At this moment in time the best outcome is that she's living a differnt life under a new name in a new place. Considering how recognisable her eye is not sure that's too likely.

    If she was purchased by a Belgian gang I'd worry at her age whats the best possible outcome. These people are specialists in not getting caught. Hard to see a happy ending. :/


  • #4989
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    OwlsZat wrote: »
    She did ring the police who in turn told the Portugeese police who then took weeks to follow up.

    I'm not sure it was passed on to the Portuguese police. Their is a very comprehensive record of all the sightings from around the world in the official Portuguese police files. I have looked and I see no mention of this particular incident. The Portuguese police investigation was closed in July 2008 following the return of the McCanns to the UK the previous year


  • #4990
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Somebody out there knows what happens and one would imagine they would have talked, unless it was Jerry, who can never talk.
    You would think someone would just confirm she was taking via an anonymous letter


  • #4991
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    OwlsZat wrote: »
    These people are specialists in not getting caught. :/

    As are the McCanns in not getting caught for child neglect :(


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  • #4992
    MD1990
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    it is so obvious the McCanns know what happened.

    Maybe someone powerful is helping them.

    The lack of genuine sadness about their missing daughter inconsistent statements,refusing to co-operate.

    Body language in interviews dead giveaway scratching ear when asked difficult questions,vague answers no real emotion.
    No charge for child neglect. Maybe British police came in to hide certain evidence as well. Wouldn't surprise me.


  • #4993
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    MonkieSocks wrote: »

    2567-Witness statement re sighting in Amsterdam


    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A12_5/apenso5_vol_12_p2566.jpg

    Wrong sighting ...

    I saw that one. It doesn't appear to be the one referred to as that one occured in a Party Supplies shop.

    The one detailed in that document occured near a river in the city where the child and a number of Adults were hanging around some bushes.


    There are literally thousands of these sightings ....


  • #4994
    Plumbthedepths
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    OwlsZat wrote:
    She did ring the police who in turn told the Portugeese police who then took weeks to follow up.


    She claims to have seen the child in May she spoke to the Dutch police on the 18th of June according to the article you linked.


  • #4995
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    Without having to read back has anyone yet come up with an explanation as to how the parents killed Madeleine and disposed of her body? If I knew what page it was on I could go and have a read.....


    Accidental overdose and into one of the large bins. As reasonable a theory as any other considering zero proof of anything other than Madeline went missing on the 3rd of May.


  • #4996
    Teddy Daniels
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    OwlsZat wrote: »
    At this moment in time the best outcome is that she's living a differnt life under a new name in a new place. Considering how recognisable her eye is not sure that's too likely.

    If she indeed purchased by a Belgian gang I'd worry at her age whats the best possible outcome. These people are specialists in not getting caught. Hard to see a happy ending. :/

    Some people acually believe this stuff. Maddie was killed through neglect and disposed of through guilt and rationalisation and she is gone. RIP little girl .


  • #4997
    gozunda
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Wrong sighting ...

    I saw that one. It doesn't appear to be the one referred to as that one occured in a Party Supplies shop.

    The one detailed in that document occured near a river in the city where the child and a number of Adults were hanging around some bushes.


    There are literally thousands of these sightings ....

    Edit:

    Their is one fax referring to a sighting in a 'party shop' in Amerstdam with a date of June 2007. It is written in Dutch and is not translated into English. Anyone here read Dutch?

    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A1_5/apenso5_vol_1_Page55.jpg


  • #4998
    MD1990
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    also most parents would be disgusted with themselves for leaving their children to have dinner with friends.

    they would say it was the biggest mistake of my life or along those lines.

    Yet they still think they done nothing wrong.


  • #4999
    Plumbthedepths
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    MD1990 wrote:
    Yet they still think they done nothing wrong.


    As do many others including several here.


  • #5000
    MD1990
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    As do many others including several here.
    beggars belief really.

    leave your children unattended in a foreign country.

    no parent should do that.


  • #5001
    gozunda
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    OwlsZat wrote: »
    The tennis bag seems to be fairly put to bed here.

    http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2038.0

    There are some photos of the alleged bag in the wardrobe etc which was mentioned previously. Tbh reading down through it - it is very much a pro McCann. so I reckon thats one side tbh.


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  • #5002
    Plumbthedepths
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    Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote:
    Dump a body in a bin? Hmm, I don't think anyone who has ever killed someone has ever thought about that, or maybe they have and realised it's not very smart and there is a very high risk of getting caught.


    Audrey Gagnon charged with the murder of her daughter Rosalie Gagnon (2) whose body was found in a bin. Quebec city 2018. Try Google before you make a claim.


  • #5003
    tibruit
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    I don't believe it possible that one parent could keep such a secret from the other for such a lengthy period unless a) the one with the secret possesses a completely sociopathic, emotionless personality or b) both are aware but the perpetrator has a psychological hold over the spouse, is manipulative and is utterly dominant in their relationship to the extent of causing fear and terror in the other should he or she not behave in the appropriate manner required in order to maintain their great pretence.

    4% of the general population are sociopaths. They`re everywhere. 5% of males are paedophiles. By my reckoning 0.2% of men are sociopathic paedophiles. That`s 1 in every 500. There are far more sociopathic paedophiles about than there are child abductors.


  • #5004
    Lady Poepoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Lady Poepoe


    Maybe they held their emotions with shock. Waited till everyone knew she was gone. Then they both finally showed greif. Shouting /banging the walls etc.
    Only my guess. They are doctors so would have experience in life and death settings. The two of them are not normal parents. I feel that maybe Madeleine had to look after the twins when ever they woke..

    Why did they involved the media straight away? Wasnt it 4 hours after she disappeared
    They seemed quite narcissistic


  • #5005
    Trekker09
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    Teddy Daniels wrote: »
    Some people acually believe this stuff. Maddie was killed through neglect and disposed of through guilt and rationalisation and she is gone. RIP little girl .

    Oh good, we can finally close this thread! Where's your proof of this? Some people actually believe this stuff.


  • #5006
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    Trekker09 wrote: »
    Oh good, we can finally close this thread! Where's your proof of this? Some people actually believe this stuff.

    I believe that it's been fairly well established that no one knows what really happened and theres little 'proof' for anything tbh. But that doesn't mean everyone has to have the same ideas. I'm presuming you have already opted for one of the scenarios in the poll and understand that everyone has their own opinions yeah?


  • #5007
    Trekker09
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    As do many others including several here.

    Not true.

    I haven't seen anyone who believe that the McCanns are innocent state that leaving the children alone is OK or acceptable, I certainly don't.


  • #5008
    Trekker09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭Trekker09


    gozunda wrote: »
    I believe that it's been fairly well established that no one knows what really happened and theres little 'proof' for anything tbh. But that doesn't mean everyone has to have the same ideas. That's simply how it is. Im presuming you have already opted for one of the scenarios in the poll and understand that everyone has their own opinions yeah?

    Exactly. Nobody knows what happened but my belief is that Madeleine was abducted. I don't state it as fact as I could be wrong.

    I haven't looked at the poll as I've been away.


  • #5009
    ParkRunner
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Trekker09 wrote: »
    Not true.

    I haven't seen anyone who believe that the McCanns are innocent state that leaving the children alone is OK or acceptable, I certainly don't.

    They may have been negligent in their parental responsibilities but not criminally so. Are they innocent of a crime? Yes, until proven otherwise.


  • #5010
    Trekker09
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    ParkRunner wrote: »
    They may have been negligent in their parental responsibilities but not criminally so. Are they innocent of a crime? Yes, until proven otherwise.

    That's the point I was trying to make, that, at worst, their negligence contributed to the disappearance but is not the sole reason for it.


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  • #5011
    Plumbthedepths
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    Trekker09 wrote:
    I haven't seen anyone who believe that the McCanns are innocent state that leaving the children alone is OK or acceptable, I certainly don't.


    So you have read all the comments here? I only ask as you have said you missed the poll because you were away.


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