Ireland rejoining the British Commonwealth

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2019 02:22AM

road_high wrote: »

The commonwealth is purely a symbolic talk shop. If we rejoined it would make zero difference to any of our lives. If there was to be a United ireland in the future then part of the agreement would have to include commonwealth membership I’d think

If a majority north and south vote for a UI then it is a done deal.
Appeasing somebody for the sake of it would be a huge mistake. A republic cannot be aligned and subordinate to a monarchy, that is ridiculous. (and I know so called republics are)
I have no problem accommodating unionist/British identities, but not if it makes me doffing my hat to a monarchy

prinzeugen · 24-03-2019 02:24AM

road_high wrote: »

The French were pretty brutal in places like Vietnam from what I’ve read.

If you compare ex British territories with those that were or still are ruled by France. The ex British ones are advanced and normally civilised.

The French ones are civil war torn ****-holes most cases.

Plumbthedepths · 24-03-2019 02:27AM

prinzeugen wrote:

If you compare ex British territories with those that were or still are ruled by France. The ex British ones are advanced and normally civilised.

India and Pakistan enough said.

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2019 02:28AM

prinzeugen wrote: »

If you compare ex British territories with those that were or still are ruled by France. The ex British ones are advanced and normally civilised.

The French ones are civil war torn ****-holes most cases.

Oh great, we are playing the great Coloniisation Competition again. :rolleyes:

ArchXStanton · 24-03-2019 02:29AM

FG delegates actually applauded this... I wonder how preppy boy Varadkar and Co. will talk their way out of this one..

feargale · 24-03-2019 02:30AM

prinzeugen wrote: »

Yet I bet you have no problem with the French, who did more murdering and plundering than the British.

At least Britain gave its territories their own governments. France did not. Thats why you have the back of a €20 or €50 note cluttered with French acquisitions worldwide.

Frances longest land border is with... Brazil. Google it.

Anyone that slags the British over their past but not the French, Dutch, Spanish Japanese etc are clueless hypocrites.

Furthermore, to this day the French are treating their African ex-colonies in appalling fashion, having first refusal on raw materials and naming their own price for them. Haiti fought for and won its independence in 1804, and then the French beggared it, forcing it to pay "reparations" until 1947.

Plumbthedepths · 24-03-2019 02:32AM

ArchXStanton wrote:

FG delegates actually applauded this... I wonder how preppy boy Varadkar and Co. will talk their way out of this one..

Put a fish in front of a Seal and you will get the same response.

BuboBubo · 24-03-2019 02:34AM

prinzeugen wrote: »

Yet I bet you have no problem with the French, who did more murdering and plundering than the British.

At least Britain gave its territories their own governments. France did not. Thats why you have the back of a €20 or €50 note cluttered with French acquisitions worldwide.

Frances longest land border is with... Brazil. Google it.

Anyone that slags the British over their past but not the French, Dutch, Spanish Japanese etc are clueless hypocrites.

So we should join the commonwealth because the French were worse? Ok.

steves2 · 24-03-2019 02:52AM

Stunned that a DUP knuckledragger came out with something so ridiculous and a roomful or Fine Gaelers applauded that..really I am lost for words. I am in the live-and-let-live camp when it comes to Irish and British relations, I have no interest in a united Ireland and think should the time come that they want to go for it then we could all see if it will be good for us all. But defo not now, they are all far too interested in each others religion and flegs etc.
That a room of Irish people would applaud the DUP, given the rubbish and utter lies they've been peddling the last couple years, is embarrassing.

Sheeps · 24-03-2019 02:54AM

Fine Gael are cosying up to the DUP now so that in the event there is a united Ireland, they'll win unionist votes. They know the 6 counties would be predominantly Sinn Fein, and that would change the status quo so long as Fine Gael and Fianna Fail (unless you count this disaster alliance with the SDLP) don't have a real presence up there.

Plumbthedepths · 24-03-2019 02:55AM

steves2 wrote:

Stunned that a DUP knuckledragger came out with something so ridiculous and a roomful or Fine Gaelers applauded that..really I am lost for words. I am in the live-and-let-live camp when it comes to Irish and British relations, I have no interest in a united Ireland and think should the time come that they want to go for it then we could all see if it will be good for us all. But defo not now, they are all far too interested in each others religion and flegs etc. That a room of Irish people would applaud the DUP, given the rubbish and utter lies they've been peddling the last couple years, is embarrassing.

It's quite odd but FG have a special hatred to the Irish electorate and yet the Irish electorate have a Stockholm syndrome to these clowns.

Sheeps · 24-03-2019 02:58AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's quite odd but FG have a special hatred to the Irish electorate and yet the Irish electorate have a Stockholm syndrome to these clowns.

If you look at the demographics, Sinn Fein has a clear majority of the under 35's, and Fianna Fail the over 60s. I think the electorate is completely split three ways.

prinzeugen · 24-03-2019 03:02AM

BuboBubo wrote: »

So we should join the commonwealth because the French were worse? Ok.

Ireland does not have to join the commonwealth. I am just pointing out how hypocritical it is to say no "because of British brutality" etc when you have no issue with the murderous French.

If you were that bothered about the past them you should demand Ireland leaves the EU as its a club of countries (in most cases) with equally murderous pasts. (Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Holland, Austria, Hungary, France, Belgium all have murderous colonial pasts).

Itssoeasy · 24-03-2019 03:05AM

Under no circumstances should Ireland rejoin the commonwealth. The fact FG members applauded this is taking the piss.

RustyNut · 24-03-2019 03:29AM

I wonder how a dup crowd would react to leo telling them they should consider joining the 26 counties.

Duckworth_Luas · 24-03-2019 03:38AM

We're already members of la Francophonie, that's enough.

Joining the Commonwealth would only be useful if we were allowed to bash the Fuzzy-Wuzzies, or even just the natives in Matabeleland, again.

Avatar MIA · 24-03-2019 05:02AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's quite odd but FG have a special hatred to the Irish electorate and yet the Irish electorate have a Stockholm syndrome to these clowns.

What are you talking about, do you really... Ah, hang on, this is AH... Carry on :rolleyes:

Avatar MIA · 24-03-2019 05:08AM

From Wiki...

"The current Commonwealth of Nations was formally constituted by the London Declaration in 1949, which modernised the community, and established the member states as "free and equal".

The human symbol of this free association is the Head of the Commonwealth, currently Queen Elizabeth II, and the 2018 Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting appointed Charles, Prince of Wales to be her designated successor, although the position is not technically hereditary. The Queen is the head of state of 16 member states, known as the Commonwealth realms, while 32 other members are republics and five others have different monarchs"

As someone who has no truck with monarchy, I'd have no problem with Ireland being a member of the commonwealth if a demand by unionists.

Duckworth_Luas · 24-03-2019 05:13AM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

From Wiki...
The human symbol of this free association is the Head of the Commonwealth, currently Queen Elizabeth II

How can a 6ft lizard be the human symbol of anything?

Anteayer · 24-03-2019 05:20AM

I'm just in from a late night out but even though my slightly drink induced haze : ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Also FG must be intent on destroying their support as this kind of stuff will not fly with most of the electorate. We've been striking out our own path, and own identity since 1949 when we left the Commonwealth.

If the UK or the Unionists want to strike up a friendly relationship, let's just evolve the British–Irish Council into something more like the Nordic Council. That gives both sides equal status and there's no imperial baggage. I've no issue with a proper relationship with the 21st century UK, but I think we could all do without the hundreds of years of notions of supremacy that tends to go with their historical identity.

I'm all for having an excellent relationship with our nearest neighbour, but I think that's quite possible without bowing and scraping to a monarch of joining a functionless, symbolic club for former colonies who have some kind of Stockholm syndrome.

If FG suggest joining the Commonwealth, I will be suggesting voting for anyone but FG.

Avatar MIA · 24-03-2019 05:38AM

Anteayer wrote: »

If FG suggest joining the Commonwealth, I will be suggesting voting for anyone but FG.

It's okay, get some sleep. It was a DUP guest speaker that suggested it and the attendees politely clapped his speech. Nothing more, nothing less.

But, in the event of a UI, I'd have zero qualms about joining.

Avatar MIA · 24-03-2019 05:39AM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

How can a 6ft lizard be the human symbol of anything?

That's speciest!

opawaman · 24-03-2019 05:51AM

There are up to 20 million Irish Born and of Irish ancestry living within the UK and Commonwealth. So why not rejoin as an Independent Republic.

Give the Irish born and those with Irish ancestry a vote on the Issue
The day of the Jesus freak Unionist are over.

Duckworth_Luas · 24-03-2019 05:53AM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

That's speciest!

This was snapped by a Daily Mail photographer at Sandringham last week

Apparently the Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea had just presented her with two tree kangaroos as a gift. However, Elizabeth immediately bit their heads off, as 6ft lizards are prone to do with cute mammals.

Mr.H · 24-03-2019 06:19AM

RustyNut wrote:

Its a sorta club for britain's various victims.

Kinda like the original #metoo movement

ChikiChiki · 24-03-2019 06:26AM

road_high wrote: »

I don’t think they're “allies” they’ve been at loggerheads with the Taoiseach pretty much since he cane into office. FG are a bizarre mix of nationalism, a traditional softness towards the UK, the party of southern prodestants, free market economics, social liberalism also mixed with conservatism. DUP are much more resulote on their stances

Agree with you there however one thing FG are united on is the rise of globalism and corporate interests over those they represent.

An utterly scummy party with many self interested individuals beneath the facade. A lot of them would sell their own granny's if it furthered their interests.

Lucy8080 · 24-03-2019 06:48AM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

From Wiki...

"The current Commonwealth of Nations was formally constituted by the London Declaration in 1949, which modernised the community, and established the member states as "free and equal".

The human symbol of this free association is the Head of the Commonwealth, currently Queen Elizabeth II, and the 2018 Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting appointed Charles, Prince of Wales to be her designated successor, although the position is not technically hereditary. The Queen is the head of state of 16 member states, known as the Commonwealth realms, while 32 other members are republics and five others have different monarchs"

As someone who has no truck with monarchy, I'd have no problem with Ireland being a member of the commonwealth if a demand by unionists.

Now, if the title of" head of the commonwealth" was swithched every six months/year...to other heads of state,I think folks might come around.

As it stands it seems to be another way of sustaining reverance for the house of Windsor.

I've no truck with them, but hey, let's all have turn ...you're not the boss of me!

Hobosan · 24-03-2019 07:23AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Agree with you there however one thing FG are united on is the rise of globalism and corporate interests over those they represent.

"Corporate interests over those they represent" - The original meaning of the word Fascism. Too bad idiots neutered the meaning of the word when they equate authoritarianism with Fascism.

After reading the case of the farmer whose land was almost CPO'd for Intel, then yes FG and FF (2008) and many Irish in general, have no problem with Fascism.

uck51js9zml2yt · 24-03-2019 09:04AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Under no circumstances should Ireland rejoin the commonwealth. The fact FG members applauded this is taking the piss.

It's ok. According to Coveny they were just clapping out of politeness and making Donaldson feel welcome.

24-03-2019 09:37AM

I would need a lot of convincing but in the context of reconcilation and Irish unity it is something that will have to be at least considered. There will have to be some accomodations on each side - so this has to be one possibility. Even Sinn Fein think so:

"Mary Lou McDonald has said she is open to discussions on Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth"
https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-rejoining-the-commonwealth-4174082-Aug2018/

Ireland rejoining the British Commonwealth

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