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Madeleine McCann

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  • #4382
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Spanish Eyes wrote:
    But to me the parents are cold fish. That doesn't mean they did anything wrong, but my suspicions are on them quite frankly. Accident following administration of piriton (otc anti histamine with drowsy qualities) and a subsequent OMG cover up.


    Prehaps one of the strangest aspects of this case is the comments made by Colin Sutton and his reasons for refusing to lead the investigation into an alleged abduction without being allowed explore any other avenues.
    Far to much interference in a case that should have only being tasked with finding a little girl and bringing the culprits to justice.


  • #4383
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭scamalert


    So lets roll with McCann's story that crying was single incident, to which they said it wasn't possible as they were there that night with them.


    Yet if they were with them how come story changed from them to say it propably was caused by something ?


    or why even mention it, as surely there was only one witness to claim to hear the crying.


  • #4384
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Prehaps one of the strangest aspects of this case is the comments made by Colin Sutton and his reasons for refusing to lead the investigation into an alleged abduction without being allowed explore any other avenues.
    Far to much interference in a case that should have only being tasked with finding a little girl and bringing the culprits to justice.


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  • #4385
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


    Something Else
    maebee wrote: »
    According to Kate McCann on Sky News, Madeleine asked her "Where were you when Sean and I cried last night?". KM shrugged her shoulders and said it was just a passing remark. Then they went and did the same thing the following night. Incredible. Poor kids :(

    I've been blessed to have had my first child this past year.

    Honestly, I wouldn't dream of ever leaving her out of my sight for even 1 minute if there was no one watching.
    I'd be scared to death id turn away and turn back and she'd have fallen off the bed and busted her head or pulled a knife from the kitchen. The mccanns didn't give two flying fu.cks about their kids. The only question is which one of them hockeyed her. We know gerry hid the body as Martin Smith and family identified him. How many of the tapas 7 know the full story. Likely all of them , this will be a pact they will take to their grave. If one person breaks rank and file they will all be banged up for decades.


  • #4386
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Discussed over in the TV forum but don't recall much talk of it here


    Fr Pacheco


    "I was deceived," he said.
    "I was just doing my job supporting lost souls. I would do that with any family who were in their situation. I didn't do anything wrong.


    Deceived. The McCanns deceived the priest who basically gave the the keys to the church.


    The innocent loving,caring parents deceived the priest who was trying to look after them


    What did they do on him ?


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  • #4387
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    limnam wrote:
    What did they do on him ?


    Unfortunately he will follow canon law and not break the seal of the confessional. It was clearly grievous enough to him to feel deceived by the McCanns.


  • #4388
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    limnam wrote: »
    Discussed over in the TV forum but don't recall much talk of it here


    Fr Pacheco


    "I was deceived," he said.
    "I was just doing my job supporting lost souls. I would do that with any family who were in their situation. I didn't do anything wrong.


    Deceived. The McCanns deceived the priest who basically gave the the keys to the church.


    The innocent loving,caring parents deceived the priest who was trying to look after them


    What did they do on him ?

    He vowed to take whatever Kate said to him to his grave

    A broken man, weighed down by the burden of Kate’s confession.


  • #4389
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    I just finished this a few days ago, and I was pleasantly surprised with it. I somehow expected it to be from an angle that was suspicious of the parents, I’m impressed to see it didn’t really go down that route and I’m so glad they focused on the child trafficking industry in and of itself, irrespective of if you believe that is what happened to Madeline. It’s something that needed highlighting.

    You’d be forgiven for thinking that “it’s the parents what dunnit” angle is the dominant viewpoint so it’s refreshing to see the poll above contrary to that. Some are only interested in crucifying the parents over and over, personally I don’t see the point in that. They made a monumental error in judgement, something I could never condone or defend. But I don’t see the point in stating that over and over? It seems to be the default response for some and almost a justification for the world turning on them and losing patience, “oh well, they left her, meh”, They are more than aware of what they have lost due to their actions.

    Most people can’t seem to seperate the actions of the parents from the crime committed. They were victims of a crime too, albeit they are largely responsible for the crime even occurring, they are still victims nonetheless. It’s like people just feel in the absence of anything else they will just resort to relentlessly shaming the parents over and over, and beyond saying I think what they did was shameful, engaging in the obsessive and religious shame is not something I could ever do. I just don’t have it in me. You can feel the did an absolutely terrible thing and still feel sorry for them. I feel all of those things. I also must be looking at a different woman to the one who others say lacks emotion and like she couldn’t give a ****. I see someone who is absolutely grief stricken and on the verge of a breakdown. There’s a scene in the doc where she and Gerry were appealing for Madeleine to return and once the scene had ended she just put her head in her hands and broke down. She kept all of that away from public view, and I believe if she hadn’t two other children to care for she quite possibly would not even be here right now.

    One thing is for certain and that’s Amaral comes across a right twonk muffin. Deluded to the core and inherently bitter and unprofessional, a total spoofer. His repeated “theories” which are just pie in the sky waffle, sandwiched in between the knowledge and proficiency of the actual experts just showed him up for the unprofessional and quite pathetically sad man he really is. Which, I must admit, was quite satisfying to watch. The fact that some people take his absolute delusions as gospel is quite strange to say the least. Jesus wept.

    The investigation truly was a farce from the start. They honed in on the parents to the absolute detriment of anything else. And as for the media, no words. They are to blame for so many uninformed commentators the world over spewing absolute venom and falsities, but it’s too late to do anything about most of that now. The horse has bolted. You just have to hope that most people form their conclusions based on common sense, good judgement and reason; not conspiracies.
    Also, as an aside, It is absolutely disgusting whoever threw paint all over the appeal poster of her picture. The Portuguese have treated the whole thing as a massive inconvenience and a threat to their industry, it would not endear you to the place whatsoever. It’s also refreshing to hear that so many who previously believed the parents were involved have changed their minds as a result of this documentary.


    I believe an abduction is a reasonable conclusion to arrive at when there is such a lack of evidence pointing to anything else. I’ve never been in the business of blaming two parents for the death of their toddler, however careless they may have been, without reasonable and logical grounds to do so; and I’m not going to start now.
    Poor Madeline was let down not only by her parents but by police officials who abandoned every other avenue once they pigeon holed the parents.


  • #4390
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    I believe an abduction is a reasonable conclusion to arrive at when there is such a lack of evidence pointing to anything else. I’ve never been in the business of blaming two parents for the death of their toddler, however careless they may have been, without reasonable and logical grounds to do so; and I’m not going to start now. Poor Madeline was let down not only by her parents but by police officials who abandoned every other avenue once they pigeon holed the parents.


    The Met has looked at the abduction angle ( actually that was the only angle they were to pursue) since 2010 and they have found no evidence of that either. So tbh there is no evidence of anything except Madeline is missing.


  • #4391
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Met has looked at the abduction angle ( actually that was the only angle they were to pursue) since 2010 and they have found no evidence of that either. So tbh there is no evidence of anything except Madeline is missing.


    Plus a lot of deception it seems from the McCanns side.


    Odd. for an innocent couple.


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  • #4392
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Met has looked at the abduction angle ( actually that was the only angle they were to pursue) since 2010 and they have found no evidence of that either. So tbh there is no evidence of anything except Madeline is missing.

    They’ve found nothing to pin it on the parents either hun but that hasn’t stopped people has it?
    Hey I’m not in the business of trying to convince or convert people. I’m well aware that people are knee deep in conspiracy and entrenched in their views.. each to their own. I don’t know you, I don’t really care about what you believe. I’m just offering my views on the doc. My views will never change. In the absence of anything else, I’m as entitled to feel how I feel as you are.

    Also GAS how the “these no evidence” bridgade only appear when the abduction angle appears. Seems if you want to blame the parents then anything goes.....


  • #4393
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    He vowed to take whatever Kate said to him to his grave

    A broken man, weighed down by the burden of Kate’s confession.

    Mental, if this is a cover up. Would you really mention it to the local priest to clear your mind?

    I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall that night.

    One constant in it all, is a child is missing, which whatever the case is awfully sad. Poor Maddy.


  • #4394
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    They’ve found nothing to pin it on the parents either hun but that hasn’t stopped people has it? Hey I’m not in the business of trying to convince or convert people. I’m well aware that people are knee deep in conspiracy and entrenched in their views.. each to their own. I don’t know you, I don’t really care about what you believe. I’m just offering my views on the doc. My views will never change. In the absence of anything else, I’m as entitled to feel how I feel as you are.

    What you believe is irrelevant to me as my belief is to you. I'm simply stating a fact, other than Madelines disappearance there is no evidence of any scenario hence why after 12 years it's still a mystery.


  • #4395
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Something Else
    Just started watching the Netflix documentary. Kate in the first episode mentions how she and Gerry got up and started searching again at 6am just as daylight started breaking. Surely it would be bright long before 6am in May? It's pretty bright at 6am now!
    edit: mostly just wondering how dark it would have been at 9pm/10pm - would think there'd have been a lot of people around a resort at that time but documentary
    makes it seem like no one else was on the street etc.


  • #4396
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    TallGlass wrote: »
    Mental, if this is a cover up. Would you really mention it to the local priest to clear your mind?

    I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall that night.

    One constant in it all, is a child is missing, which whatever the case is awfully sad. Poor Maddy.


    Trying to think what could you do to deceive a priest who has done nothing but good for you.


    Takes a special kind of deception to get a priest to come out with that publicly.


    It's not stealing his rich tea..


  • #4397
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What you believe is irrelevant to me as my belief is to you. I'm simply stating a fact, other than Madelines disappearance there is no evidence of any scenario hence why after 12 years it's still a mystery.

    Like I already said, there is no evidence of ANYTHING. If you really believed what you preach then you wouldn’t only hop on those theories who oppose yours, but all the theories, irrespective of McCann involvement. The fact you chose not to is telling. My beliefs are my beliefs. They are based on years of interest in this case, rationale and logic. I don’t really care if you agree or condone. That won’t change how I feel.


  • #4398
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


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    retro:electro wrote: »
    I just finished this a few days ago, and I was pleasantly surprised with it. I somehow expected it to be from an angle that was suspicious of the parents, I’m impressed to see it didn’t really go down that route and I’m so glad they focused on the child trafficking industry in and of itself, irrespective of if you believe that is what happened to Madeline. It’s something that needed highlighting.
    You’d be forgiven for thinking that “it’s the parents what dunnit” angle is the dominant viewpoint so it’s refreshing to see the poll above contrary to that. Some are only interested in crucifying the parents over and over, personally I don’t see the point in that. They made a monumental error in judgement, something I could never condone or defend. But I don’t see the point in stating that over and over? It seems to be the default response for some and almost a justification for the world turning on them and losing patience, “oh well, they left her, meh”, They are more than aware of what they have lost due to their actions. Most people can’t seem to seperate the actions of the parents from the crime committed. They were victims of a crime too, albeit they are largely responsible for the crime even occurring, they are still victims nonetheless. It’s like people just feel in the absence of anything else they will just resort to relentlessly shaming the parents over and over, and beyond saying I think what they did was shameful, engaging in the obsessive and religious shame is not something I could ever do. I just don’t have it in me. You can feel the did an absolutely terrible thing and still feel sorry for them. I feel all of those things. I also must be looking at a different woman to the one who others say lacks emotion and like she couldn’t give a ****. I see someone who is absolutely grief stricken and on the verge of a breakdown. There’s a scene in the doc where she and Gerry were appealing for Madeleine to return and once the scene had ended she just put her head in her hands and broke down. She kept all of that away from public view, and I believe if she hadn’t two other children to care for she quite possibly would not even be here right now.
    One thing is for certain and that’s Amaral comes across a right twonk muffin. Deluded to the core and inherently bitter and unprofessional, a total spoofer. His repeated “theories” which are just pie in the sky waffle, sandwiched in between the knowledge and proficiency of the actual experts just showed him up for the unprofessional and quite pathetically sad man he really is. Which, I must admit, was quite satisfying to watch. The fact that some people take his absolute delusions as gospel is quite strange to say the least. Jesus wept.The investigation truly was a farce from the start. They honed in on the parents to the absolute detriment of anything else. And as for the media, no words. They are to blame for so many uninformed commentators the world over spewing absolute venom and falsities, but it’s too late to do anything about most of that now. The horse has bolted. You just have to hope that most people form their conclusions based on common sense, good judgement and reason; not conspiracies.
    Also, as an aside, It is absolutely disgusting whoever threw paint all over the appeal poster of her picture. The Portuguese have treated the whole thing as a massive inconvenience and a threat to their industry, it would not endear you to the place whatsoever. It’s also refreshing to hear that so many who previously believed the parents were involved have changed their minds as a result of this documentary.
    I believe an abduction is a reasonable conclusion to arrive at when there is such a lack of evidence pointing to anything else. I’ve never been in the business of blaming two parents for the death of their toddler, however careless they may have been, without reasonable and logical grounds to do so; and I’m not going to start now.
    Poor Madeline was let down not only by her parents but by police officials who abandoned every other avenue once they pigeon holed the parents.

    So McCanns and anyone supporting an abduction scenario mostly good. Everyone else (aka conspiracy theorists) including the entire Portuguese nation bad and Madeleine a big fat zero?

    Personally my concern and sympathy remains with the child in this case and I make no apologies for saying so.


  • #4399
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭scamalert


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Just started watching the Netflix documentary. Kate in the first episode mentions how she and Gerry got up and started searching again at 6am just as daylight started breaking. Surely it would be bright long before 6am in May? It's pretty bright at 6am now!


    they went to sleep at 4 according to netflix docu.


  • #4400
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    scamalert wrote: »
    they went to sleep at 4 according to netflix docu.




    Looks like it sets at 830pm and rises around 0630


  • #4401
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    gozunda wrote: »

    Personally my concern or sympathy remains with the child in this case and I make no apologies for saying so.


    Absolutely.


    Heart breaking.


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  • #4402
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    retro:electro wrote:
    Like I already said, there is no evidence of ANYTHING. If you really believed what you preach then you wouldn’t only hop on those theories who oppose yours, but all the theories, irrespective of McCann involvement. The fact you chose not to is telling. My beliefs are my beliefs. They are based on years of interest in this case, rationale and logic. I don’t really care if you agree or condone. That won’t change how I feel.


    There is no theory opposing mine as I don't have one. What I do have is based on the lack of evidence to date for various scenarios pushed and the behaviour of the participants. I'm not asking you to change your belief. You put forward the position it was an abduction when challenged you deflect . Ihave just pointed out there is no evidence of same. Plus this is a discussion forum. Lastly don't confuse my response with interest in how you feel.


  • #4403
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Also, My heart broke for the mother of Rui Pedro, the little boy abducted and subsequently identified as being in a sex ring.
    I used to think there is nothing on this earth that could be worse than losing a child, but for me, that is worse. Knowing he is alive but being used and abused by god knows who. I would not be able to go on. Jesus. God love her.


  • #4404
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    gozunda wrote:
    So McCanns and anyone supporting an abduction scenario mostly good. Everyone else (conspiracy theorists) including the entire Portuguese nation bad and Madeleine a big fat zero?


    That's the default position of most who believe the McCanns are above reproach.


  • #4405
    brendanwalsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭brendanwalsh


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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Met has looked at the abduction angle ( actually that was the only angle they were to pursue) since 2010 and they have found no evidence of that either. So tbh there is no evidence of anything except Madeline is missing.

    Case went dead when Scotland Yard focused on the abduction.

    Listen, if maddie was abducted, the world police were looking for her and she would have been found..interpol and the likes have plenty moles even amongst pedophile rings and plenty nonces would have cracked or squealed for time off prison or fame
    The fact is they never found any links to abduction because she wasn't abducted.


  • #4406
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There is no theory opposing mine as I don't have one. What I do have is based on the lack of evidence to date for various scenarios pushed and the behaviour of the participants. I'm not asking you to change your belief. You put forward the position it was an abduction when challenged you deflect . Ihave just pointed out there is no evidence of same. Plus this is a discussion forum. Lastly don't confuse my response with interest in how you feel.



    No point.


    There's some who are open to all avenues and scenarios. Some are just locked in on fighting a "corner" not really concerned about looking at the information.


  • #4407
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    retro:electro wrote: »
    Also, My heart broke for the mother of Rui Pedro, the little boy abducted and subsequently identified as being in a sex ring.
    I used to think there is nothing on this earth that could be worse than losing a child, but for me, that is worse. Knowing he is alive but being used and abused by god knows who. I would not be able to go on. Jesus. God love her.

    That is horrendous for any parent . Its like living a nightmare for ever and being helpless to help your child . That poor mother would be far better if she never saw her sons face on that site
    .


  • #4408
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Something Else
    limnam wrote: »
    Looks like it sets at 830pm and rises around 0630

    Yeah I checked that back to 2007, would be same time as here...sun rises currently at 6.40ish and it is full on bright by 6:10/6:15. Just that struck me as odd that she specifically said as it was some light was coming in.


  • #4409
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


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    retro:electro wrote: »
    Most people can’t seem to seperate the actions of the parents from the crime committed.

    Perhaps because they were the ones who committed it?


  • #4410
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    retro:electro wrote: »
    Like I already said, there is no evidence of ANYTHING. If you really believed what you preach then you wouldn’t only hop on those theories who oppose yours, but all the theories, irrespective of McCann involvement. The fact you chose not to is telling. My beliefs are my beliefs. They are based on years of interest in this case, rationale and logic. I don’t really care if you agree or condone. That won’t change how I feel.

    I actually don't disagree with much of your huge post above (quoting this so as not to take up the entire page), I still find the abduction explanation to be the most likely of all the scenarios.

    And yet the lies by the Mc Canns at the beginning are what impeded the investigation more than anything in my opinion, and therein for me lies the element of doubt.

    As you said, there's really no proof of anything, all we have is speculation. But logic to me, based off the very beginning and them telling lies make me doubt absolutely everything they say.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



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  • #4411
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    That is horrendous for any parent . Its like living a nightmare for ever and being helpless to help your child . That poor mother would be far better if she never saw her sons face on that site
    .


    Absolutely. Better off not knowing.


    The poor woman. Living hell literally. I don't know how she's so strong.


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