Madeleine McCann

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Surely that's not true ? is there any evidence of this

micks_address wrote: »

id be interested in hearing more about this... if true would certainly fit the theory a body may have been refrigerated and moved in the car somewhere hence the dog indication.. timelines etc would be obviously key.. and when did they get the apartment?

I haven't found it but many claim to have read it. It has to be recorded somewhere even if he removed it. That is of course if it is true.

Maybe an internet myth that sprang up after the media accusation of maddie being stored in a freezer.

Without the original blog post or a media report of it from the time you would have to lean towards this.

gozunda wrote: »

Interesting method of mud slinging by assumption and innuendo

Yes indeed, imagine how the McCanns feel!

Deleted User wrote: »

In case you want further proof that Scotland Yard won't touch the McCanns.

Mr Rowley said: "The parents’ involvement: that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

“We’re happy that’s completely dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that’s a line of investigation."

It really is baffling. They're happy that it was dealt with? Not having enough evidence to convict is hardly dealt with.

I would think it's daft to close any line of enquiry.. they may have had to define the parameters of the enquiry to get funding approved

My own feelings on the case after watching the doc

- The McCann's and their friends weren't checking as often as they would like everyone to believe imo.
- An abductor took her from the apartment after spotting her during the week and targeting her. There could have been a second 'spotter' involved that night to ensure that the diners were still at the tapas bar or it could have been someone confident enough to know that once a check had been done they would have another 20-30 minutes to gain access to the apartment and take the child. I'm sure they couldn't believe their luck when they found the apartment unlocked.
- The abductor(s) left the area immediately. They could have been in Spain in 2 hours by car. From there they would have access to anywhere in the med by yacht. They could have left by yacht to Morocco or Algeria from PdL very easily.
- I'm afraid that once the media frenzy kicked in they realised that there was no way they could leave the poor child alive. Perhaps they hadn't spotted the distinguishing mark until after they had taken her and realised that she would be way too recognisable. A 4y/o changes over time, I've seen that in the last 2 years with my own lad, but a distinguishing mark like that will mean that she is always recognisable.

Other thoughts

- Can't figure out how the various families thought leaving their children alone at night was okay. I can only assume that there was a false sense of security seeing as there were so many of them.
- I believe M Smith saw someone, I don't believe that it was McCann simply because he somewhere else at the time. Smith may have seen the abductor but how could he know? He convinced himself over time that he'd seen McCann, the mind plays tricks and McCann would have been on the news constantly during that time imo.
- Can't understand why people keep going on about Scotland Yard not finding any evidence of an abduction. Cold cases are more difficult for a reason, by the time they got involved it would have been 10x harder than if they had have been involved from the start imo.
- The fact that this happened in a tourist spot makes solving it much more difficult imo, the constant flow of people arriving and leaving muddies the water.
- I'm not surprised the McCanns left when they did and I'm not surprised they would not come back for a reconstruction. The Portuguese police were going after them and if I was innocent and in their position I would have done the exact same thing tbh.
- Where would 2 tourists get access to a freezer where they could store a body?
- I can't believe that it's straightforward to get a body down to the sea and weigh it down well enough so that it never comes back up again in the short amount the McCanns had between 6:15 and the start of dinner.
- I'm suspicious of a system that stops one side from talking in public by law but has no problems leaking their own mis-information to the press.
- I feel creepy and sad even even thinking about this stuff

The biggest incriminating factor in the case is Kate and Gerry's bizarre behaviour.

There is not a police force in the world who would not have quickly identified them as their main suspects based on their statements, body language and behaviour alone.

They could also have polygraphed the people involved. I don't think they did

cnocbui wrote: »

dark crystal wrote: »

Did the landlord confirm a fridge was missing? How would Gerry get Madeleine's body into the fridge from one location to another? Why would he post about the body disposal method on a public forum? Was this fridge ever found?

Indeed, has this blog entry ever been authenticated?

This 'story' really fits the pattern. Supposedly Gerry posted the fridge thing on his blog, but removed it within 24 hrs. No screen shots, just people claiming they saw it. As if no one would have done a screen shot - not credible.

Surely this could have been easily checked out by police...

SteM wrote: »

My own feelings on the case after watching the doc

- The McCann's and their friends weren't checking as often as they would like everyone to believe imo.
- An abductor took her from the apartment after spotting her during the week and targeting her. There could have been a second 'spotter' involved that night to ensure that the diners were still at the tapas bar or it could have been someone confident enough to know that once a check had been done they would have another 20-30 minutes to gain access to the apartment and take the child. I'm sure they couldn't believe their luck when they found the apartment unlocked.
- The abductor(s) left the area immediately. They could have been in Spain in 2 hours by car. From there they would have access to anywhere in the med by yacht. They could have left by yacht to Morocco or Algeria from PdL very easily.
- I'm afraid that once the media frenzy kicked in they realised that there was no way they could leave the poor child alive. Perhaps they hadn't spotted the distinguishing mark until after they had taken her and realised that she would be way too recognisable. A 4y/o changes over time, I've seen that in the last 2 years with my own lad, but a distinguishing mark like that will mean that she is always recognisable.

Other thoughts

- Can't figure out how the various families thought leaving their children alone at night was okay. I can only assume that there was a false sense of security seeing as there were so many of them.
- I believe M Smith saw someone, I don't believe that it was McCann simply because he somewhere else at the time. Smith may have seen the abductor but how could he know? He convinced himself over time that he'd seen McCann, the mind plays tricks and McCann would have been on the news constantly during that time imo.
- Can't understand why people keep going on about Scotland Yard not finding any evidence of an abduction. Cold cases are more difficult for a reason, by the time they got involved it would have been 10x harder than if they had have been involved from the start imo.
- The fact that this happened in a tourist spot makes solving it much more difficult imo, the constant flow of people arriving and leaving muddies the water.
- I'm not surprised the McCanns left when they did and I'm not surprised they would not come back for a reconstruction. The Portuguese police were going after them and if I was innocent and in their position I would have done the exact same thing tbh.
- Where would 2 tourists get access to a freezer where they could store a body?
- I can't believe that it's straightforward to get a body down to the sea and weigh it down well enough so that it never comes back up again in the short amount the McCanns had between 6:15 and the start of dinner.
- I'm suspicious of a system that stops one side from talking in public by law but has no problems leaking their own mis-information to the press.
- I feel creepy and sad even even thinking about this stuff

None of that can explain why Kate McCann would tamper with the window. The abductor left through the door if he exists. Madeline could have even been at the bottom of the Atlantic before the McCanns went out do dinner.

The only corroborating evidence I could find was a statement by the dodgy David Payne saying Gerry had problems with the curtains and fridge in that apartment. Still pretty meaningless without the blog post or confirmation by the landlord.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Just press control + F and search fridge.

dark crystal wrote: »

Did the landlord confirm a fridge was missing? How would Gerry get Madeleine's body into the fridge from one location to another? Why would he post about the body disposal method on a public forum? Was this fridge ever found?
Indeed, has this blog entry ever been authenticated?

So many questions. :pac:
Afaik Gerrys blog was copied (screenshots) and published elsewhere before all of it was deleted for some reason . The contents appear to be genuine. No demands for same to be taken down eitherway.*

The reference to the fridge is also backed up by David Payne in his police interviews when he mentions mentions that the McCanns were having problems with their fridge. Plus the investigators later stated that they believed that, based on the presence of certain liquids found during the search of the car that it was possible the "cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot"(see PJ files).


It's not the first time I've came across this theory btw and it has been suggested that it may have been some type of cold storage was used and not necessarily a 'fridge'. Maybe Gerrys account of his fridge was just a red herring or something. Who knows. But again as incredible as any of it sounds. It is still possible.

*http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/BLOGS_INDEX.htm

cgcsb wrote: »

Madeline could have even been at the bottom of the Atlantic before the McCanns went out do dinner.

So they pick her up at 6:15pm. Then what? Gerry McCann comes back from his tennis lesson at 7pm. They start dinner at 8:30pm. Is she already dead by the time he gets back? That gives them 75 minutes to get over the shock, decide on a course of action and carry it out.

They decide to put her in the sea before dinner according to you. They have to get her body there, while it's still quite bright out and with people coming back from beaches or wandering out to various bars or restaurants. They have no car at the time. Then they have to find a quiet spot and start to weigh her down. What do they use? Rocks? Do they tie rocks to the body? Where do they get the rope from? How could they be sure that the body wouldn't float back up and be discovered? Then they have to get back to the apartment, get the other kids to sleep clean themselves up and go out to dinner like nothing has happened.

Possible but unlikely imo.

cgcsb wrote: »

By her own words she said they left, the outer blind and window was closed, when she returned to the scene she felt a breeze and seen the open window. We know the following:

- Blind and window only open from inside
- window was clean of prints except the palm print of Kate McCann on the glass where she applied pressure to the window in the open direction, something you'd do to avoid leaving a print on the handle.
-The curtains remained tucked in
-No shoe prints on the window ledge or bed
-window ledge is about 2m high off the pavement, no way to climb out while carrying a child

the only conclusion is abductor left through the door and Kate tampered with the window for some reason or the abductor story is false.

Maybe the abductor left it open intentionally as a red herring, or maybe h/she was going to leave via the window but when he saw the obstacles, he decided not to bother and left via the door?
And maybe he left it open because as others have pointed out, it was noisy to open/close and he didn't want to wake the twins?

Kate could have left her fingerprints on that window at any point from the time they checked into the apartment, it doesn't mean she exclusively touched it that night.

And the PJ/GNR didn't seal off the room or the apartment, they allowed everyone and anyone traipse through it in the aftermath so its likely someone well meaning closed it at that point.
There was a breeze as you said yourself.

The window theory could look entirely innocent or entirely guilty depending on your outlook.