Madeleine McCann

cnocbui · 22-03-2019 12:32PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

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I don't doubt that the dogs can occasionally get things wrong. I also very much understand that the dogs alone is not to convict a person.

But for both dogs to be signalling on more than one occasion in apartment 5A and the car when they didn't signal in the other apartments or cars is a pretty good indication that they are onto something.

The dogs picking up on her dead body and the lack of any evidence that an abduction took place tells the story.

The signs are all there, but for some reason everybody including Scotland Yard are running around looking for an abductor that doesn't exist.

The same dogs have failed to find any evidence in 4 cases since they and Grimes retired from the UK Police force and Grimes started using them as a private consultancy. Why people put such faith in a serial self promoter who claims infallibility and has a significant profit motive to have the dogs find something, is beyond me. Since 'retiring' the dogs have never once failed to signal in a case they were brought in on, yet in every instance, no forensic evidence has been recovered from where the dogs signaled. You really need religious faith to be a believer.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:32PM

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cnocbui wrote: »

The McCanns had never been to PDL before. They didn't know the area. Four trained sniffer dogs were assisting the search from 08:00 the following morning - four more were brought in later that evening, bring it to 8 trained sniffer/SAR dogs scouring the apartment complex - they even went into apartments - and the resort in general. They checked bins, drains pipes - all with local knowledge and guidance. How could two people unfamiliar with the area hide a body successfully in a very short time window, from local people who knew the area and with a pack of sniffer SAR dogs? It's ridiculous to believe that to be possible.

It's a small town, they were there a week, anyone with a half decent spacial awareness would know the town very well in that time.

BloodBath · 22-03-2019 12:32PM

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

Nobody can be convicted on the evidence of sniffer dogs alone.

The suggestions that the parents hid a child's body for 3 weeks in a warm climate, rented a car, moved the body, disposed of it and did this while they were under suspicion from the police and had the world's media watching their every move is fantasy.

That you put more faith in dogs than you do in the parents says more about you than it does them.

No it's not enough. In fact without a body it is almost impossible to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why so many murderers roam free.

Why is it fantasy? These kinds of things happen all the time. And yes I do put more faith in the dogs findings considering their high success rates.

What I don't find credible is the McCanns behaviour, reactions and changing story. I have never seen a shred of genuine emotion from either of them.

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 12:33PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So any thoughts on Scotland Yard not finding evidence of abduction after years of investigation?

Any thought on anyone finding any evidence at all of anything at all !
Nothing , nothing at all to indicate anything at all except that a child is missing .

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:33PM

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

How do you know it doesn't exist. Do you think that your better placed to conduct an investigation than Scotland Yard who spend their entire careers investigation circumstances like these?
What makes you think that your interpretation of an animal barking at a teddy bear is indication of a persons guilt than a team of 30 police investigators?

If the abductor exists, the peados of the dark web know what happened to her, and they don't.

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 12:35PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

If the abductor exists, the peados of the dark web know what happened to her, and they don't.

Not necessarily . It could be a lone wolf with no connections . Strange but possible , in this case nothing can be ruled out as there is simply no evidence

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 12:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote:

Any thought on anyone finding any evidence at all of anything at all ! Nothing , nothing at all to indicate anything at all except that a child is missing .

Can you rephrase your question to make some sense please?

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:38PM

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

Ok, so now he carried a dead body through the town, took a boat into the sea, dumped a body in the sea, rowed back to shore, carried the child's clothes with him, went back to the dinner table and pretend nothing happened?

Boat wouldn't be required, it's an Atlantic coast, she could still be pretty close to the shore, whatever's left of her. It is possible, and Gerry McCann was spotted by the Smiths. He could have acted normal because neither him or the wife's version of 'normal' coincides with 'normal' for the rest of society.

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 12:41PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can you rephrase your question to make some sense please?

Sure . There is no evidence of anything at all . No evidence of an abduction or an accident or a murder or a sale of a child
Nothing at all that would eliminate any of the above
And just as a matter of interest why is your posting so passive aggressive ? Can you not simply have a discussion without putting people down ?

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:41PM

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yourdeadwright wrote: »

If any child dies wearing clothes there will be Cadvers on the clothes,

Why minutes ? she was last seen at 6:30 alarm raised at 10, she could have been bumped into a bin any time between that, As improbably as you think it is still possible,

So they could have kept the clothes, possibly even washed them to ,

They quite regularly made trips to the dump in the scenic to dump rubbish and nappies and stuff, so they could have dumped the clothes on one of these trips.,

All of this is 100% possible ,

Why would you dismiss something that is very possible,

As I said yesterday its some accumulator by chance for the dogs to bark at

The apartment,
Her bed time toy, in a press,
Her clothes when laid out,
Her parents car ,

Look at the most obvious thing and its usual the answer,

Nothing at all no lead has ever come from looking at the abduction theory after million's and 12 years and all the experts ,million of photo's found on computers of these rings all over the world, no chatter , no one ratting someone else, no one coming forward NOTHING .

That tells you all you need to know

The Spanish PI was splashing the Kennedy's cash all over the dark web, if anyone in those circles knew anything, they certainly would have taken cash for information.

weldoninhio · 22-03-2019 12:41PM

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cursai wrote: »

Car was rented weeks after she went missing. Either stinky body transport or car has ability to time travel.

Cadaver could have been rotten meat.
Dogs aren't that smart and are easily distracted.
Not everyone can be a detective and thank god for that. I'll keep my faith in the portugese police.

1. Or something that had been in contact with the dead body was in the boot.
2. Rotten meat does not emit human cadaverene scent, which is what the dog is trained to detect.

micks_address · 22-03-2019 12:42PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So any thoughts on Scotland Yard not finding evidence of abduction after years of investigation?

its one thing not finding something, its another thing releasing false information.. how easy do you think it is to find anything after a number of years? If scotland yard were on the case from day one they would have had a much better chance of finding something.. how many years after did they actively get involved? The private investigation was a complete distraction.. if they had engaged scotland yard immediately they would have had a much better hope of success.. that's if there is an abduction.. i certainly have no idea what happened so can only guess.. im less inclined to believe that she died that evening given the timeline etc.. just the practical side of things don't add up... im also less inclined to believe a dog can smell a corpse that has been somewhere for at most an hour after death..

the facts just are not there to prove anything either way..

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:44PM

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iamwhoiam wrote: »

Not necessarily . It could be a lone wolf with no connections . Strange but possible , in this case nothing can be ruled out as there is simply no evidence

She'd be far too valuable an asset, given the global attention for him to keep to himself. Someone hands you an object on a platter so valuable that just images of it cost thousands and you're saying you would still keep it to yourself?

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 12:44PM

iamwhoiam wrote:

Sure . There is no evidence of anything at all . No evidence of an abduction or an accident or a murder or a sale of a child Nothing at all that would eliminate any of the above And just as a matter of interest why is your posting so passive aggressive ? Can you not simply have a discussion without putting people down ?

Passive aggressive and putting people down? Can you elaborate please?
I referenced the inability of Scotland Yard to find evidence of abduction instead of replying to my comment you accuse me , if you don't want to or can't answer my question why respond at all?

paul64 · 22-03-2019 12:44PM

Maybe Maddie died earlier that day or previously and the McCann’s had a third party collect her body and dispose of it while they are at dinner. Them knowing they would come back and she’s gone hence the they’ve taken her quote from Kate

tibruit · 22-03-2019 12:44PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The bins were one of the first things that were searched, according to the nanny (Catriona). There were, I think, 9 GNR officers searching from 02:00 onward. If the Mark Warner staff could think to check the bins, I am sure they could too.

There were apparently 188 bins in the town that were collected between midnight and 4 am. How thoroughly do you think their contents were investigated when the search was primarily all about a child that had either wandered off or been abducted? I`d say the searching of the bins involved little more than opening the lid and having a quick look inside. If somebody wanted to hide a body, they would have made some attempt to cover it over with rubbish.

micks_address · 22-03-2019 12:45PM

paul64 wrote: »

Maybe Maddie died earlier that day or previously and the McCann’s had a third party collect her body and dispose of it while they are at dinner. Them knowing they would come back and she’s gone hence the they’ve taken her quote from Kate

She was alive leaving the kids club at 6.15

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 12:45PM

I only asked you had you any thoughts on Scotland Yard being unable to find any evidence of abduction. You could have just said you don't want to answer. Scotland Yards line of investigation was only to follow abduction no other avenues according to Collin Sutton.

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 12:46PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

paul64 wrote: »

Maybe Maddie died earlier that day or previously and the McCann’s had a third party collect her body and dispose of it while they are at dinner. Them knowing they would come back and she’s gone hence the they’ve taken her quote from Kate

It seems very far fetched that they would know a third party person in Portugal who would be willing to do that . But anything is possible in this bizarre and strange case

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 12:48PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Passive aggressive and putting people down? Can you elaborate please?
I referenced the inability of Scotland Yard to find evidence of abduction instead of replying to my comment you accuse me , if you don't want to or can't answer my question why respond at all?

Actually do you know what . Fine I won't be answering you posts from now on
I can't be arsed really

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 12:49PM

iamwhoiam wrote:

Actually do you know what . Fine I won't be answering you posts from now on I can't be arsed really

More polite if you just said you can't answer.

iamwhoiam · 22-03-2019 12:51PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

She'd be far too valuable an asset, given the global attention for him to keep to himself. Someone hands you an object on a platter so valuable that just images of it cost thousands and you're saying you would still keep it to yourself?

No . I think she was so valuable but also such a huge risk that anyone who might have taken her would get rid of her very quickly . Just my opinion as I have no evidence but I doubt Madeleine was alive for long as she was a liability and far too high a risk for anyone to hang on to her

v638sg7k1a92bx · 22-03-2019 12:52PM

cgcsb wrote: »

I don't think the police had the means to go corpse shopping without raising any suspicion. The staff working in mortuaries etc. aren't going to keep quiet for the cops, especially in a case where the sun newspaper would have set them up for life to spill the beans.

So you think that the police don't have the means to hide a corpse but McCanns, who are on holiday in a place they've never been before, who also have two infant twins in their care, have more means and wherewithal to dispose of a body than the local police???

You think that staff working in mortuaries wouldn't be willing to keep quiet for the Portuguese police but the McCann's group of 7 friends would be willing to cover up the death or abduction of a child. Would the sun newspaper not be willing to set them up for life also?

Your thought process is all over the place.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 22-03-2019 12:53PM

paul64 wrote: »

Maybe Maddie died earlier that day or previously and the McCann’s had a third party collect her body and dispose of it while they are at dinner. Them knowing they would come back and she’s gone hence the they’ve taken her quote from Kate

So the parents arrange for someone to collect a dead body while they were on holidays, having dinner. Did they look this person up in the golden pages?

22-03-2019 12:55PM

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Its frustrating when people keep saying there is no evidence for anything. There was plenty of evidence that she died in the apartment. Unfortunately it wasn't 100% conclusive.
The evidence is still there though. Perhaps when DNA testing improves it can be revisited.

There is no evidence of abduction.

Plumbthedepths · 22-03-2019 12:56PM

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There is no evidence of abduction.

Exactly.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:56PM

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iamwhoiam wrote: »

No . I think she was so valuable but also such a huge risk that anyone who might have taken her would get rid of her very quickly . Just my opinion as I have no evidence but I doubt Madeleine was alive for long as she was a liability and far too high a risk for anyone to hang on to her

The abductor only needed to hang on to images or videos of maddie and figure out a way to sell them later, would have been easy enough, bitcoin was invented the following year, plenty of shady types on the darkweb to sell to.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 22-03-2019 12:57PM

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Its frustrating when people keep saying there is no evidence for anything. There was plenty of evidence that she died in the apartment. Unfortunately it wasn't 100% conclusive.
The evidence is still there though. Perhaps when DNA testing improves it can be revisited.

There is no evidence of abduction.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The child is missing and hasn't been found, this is evidence in it's own right.

cgcsb · 22-03-2019 12:58PM

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

So you think that the police don't have the means to hide a corpse but McCanns, who are on holiday in a place they've never been before, who also have two infant twins in their care, have more means and wherewithal to dispose of a body than the local police???

No, that's not what I said.

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

You think that staff working in mortuaries wouldn't be willing to keep quiet for the Portuguese police but the McCann's group of 7 friends would be willing to cover up the death or abduction of a child. Would the sun newspaper not be willing to set them up for life also?

They don't need to, they might believe the McCanns, they just lied about timings to protect the McCanns from suspicion because they too were engaging in questionable parenting techniques.

yourdeadwright · 22-03-2019 01:00PM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

So the parents arrange for someone to collect a dead body while they were on holidays, having dinner. Did they look this person up in the golden pages?

That's to elaborate in my opinion,

I think the parents where the only ones in on it, The most logical is they bumped her in a bin somewhere and it was gone by the next day ,

Tapas 7 had no idea but I suspect lied to innocently protect there friends
The probably thought look a missing child is bad enough so we will lie about when we checked the apartments as the McCanns didn't need the hassle of being called bad parent on top of it,

I think they have my suspect the McCann did it later on and they have not given any interviews because if they change there story now people will think they where involved and that is why the lied,

Madeleine McCann

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