Madeleine McCann

Lashes28 · 17-03-2019 10:31AM

Accident happened, parents hid body

Does anyone know if the McCann's have ever reached out to Robert Murat? His life has been destroyed and all he tried to do was help them.

Nobody knows what happened her.

But it was really foolish for the McCann's to not have seen that the public would turn on them.

Would you expect the world to give you sympathy of you left 10 grand sitting unlocked in your car only to come back and find it stolen?

pleas advice · 17-03-2019 10:43AM

bubblypop wrote: »

A more appropriate situation would be, if I was in my mother's house & i leave the front window open while I go out the back garden. If someone gets into my mother's sitting room through the open window, am I responsible?
No doubt some victim blamers in here would think yes. They are wrong however, the offender is responsible. As in this case.

Do you lock your front door at night? If your housemate came home drunk one night and left the door open, and the house was robbed would you say 'ah, no worries. Not your fault at all...'

splinter65 · 17-03-2019 10:51AM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Lashes28 wrote: »

Does anyone know if the McCann's have ever reached out to Robert Murat? His life has been destroyed and all he tried to do was help them.

Nobody knows what happened her.

But it was really foolish for the McCann's to not have seen that the public would turn on them.

Would you expect the world to give you sympathy of you left 10 grand sitting unlocked in your car only to come back and find it stolen?

The McCanns didn’t do anything to Mr Murat. In the middle of their nightmare you want them to “reach out to him”? In what way?

limnam · 17-03-2019 11:35AM

As a parent you cannot protect your kids from everything.

What you can do is your best and act with their safety at the forefront of everything you do. Especially so young. Especially in unfamiliar surroundings.

Heading of to a restaurant drinking with your pals leaving the kids in unsecured apartment that has public access is the complete opposite of the above. Selfishness/carelessness/negligent.

If this was there only mistake and everything afterwards was them acting in the best interest of the kids. I could probably find a way to put it to one side. So many questionable actions after it that you at some point run out of passes to give them.

I don't know if they're involved or not, but there actions before and after are all wrong.

Lashes28 · 17-03-2019 11:38AM

Accident happened, parents hid body

I'm not sure if you just want to nit pick and argue with every comment that gets posted

I didn't say the McCann's did anything to him

I just wondered if they reached out to the innocent man that got sucked in to the shît storm and had his whole life ruined by the media when all he did was try to help translate.
Their nightmare became a nightmare for him too

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 11:53AM

splinter65 wrote:

You can only speak for yourself. You donâ€™t speak for anyone else. Itâ€™s neither here nor there, nor does it matter to me, wether you believe me or not. I, like you, am only here to give my opinion. Take it or leave it. You donâ€™t have any more or less credibility then anyone else here. Youâ€™re an anonymous poster on a chat room forum. Everyone here is. I donâ€™t think you understand that but thatâ€™s not a problem.

You have shown yourself willing to lie and twist the comments of others to to try and elicit an actionable response. As I said you have no credibility whatsoever.

splinter65 · 17-03-2019 01:39PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Lashes28 wrote: »

I'm not sure if you just want to nit pick and argue with every comment that gets posted

I didn't say the McCann's did anything to him

I just wondered if they reached out to the innocent man that got sucked in to the shît storm and had his whole life ruined by the media when all he did was try to help translate.
Their nightmare became a nightmare for him too

In the middle of their nightmare looking for their daughter under the glare of the entire world trying to deal with the bile and the death threats and the police Gerry should have said to Kate “Do you know who is the real victim in this? Not Madeleine not me not you not the twins. It’s that poor man Robert Murat. Let’s reach out to him to comfort him in his hours of agony”. Sure.

splinter65 · 17-03-2019 01:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You have shown yourself willing to lie and twist the comments of others to to try and elicit an actionable response. As I said you have no credibility whatsoever.

You don’t have any more credibility than me. I can keep this up as long as you like.

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 01:45PM

splinter65 wrote:

You donâ€™t have any more credibility than me. I can keep this up as long as you like.

Yet I have not resorted to lying or twisting the words of others I disagree with, the fact I don't resort to your behaviour gives me credibility. Do as you wish you don't need my consent or permission. ;-)

tretorn · 17-03-2019 01:49PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

bubblypop wrote: »

Not exactly. This is an assault situation, but however, Peter is guilty of manslaughter, he is the offender. T he reason he is guilty of manslaughter & not murder is mitigating circumstances, it took place during an assault. Now John is the victim of manslaughter because he is dead. The offender is still guilty because he did not have to punch him back, but he did & then he killed him.

A more appropriate situation would be, if I was in my mother's house & i leave the front window open while I go out the back garden. If someone gets into my mother's sitting room through the open window, am I responsible?
No doubt some victim blamers in here would think yes. They are wrong however, the offender is responsible. As in this case.

Well, yes you are responsible if the window opening is large enough for someone to climb through. Most sensible people dont leave front windows that are visible from the road open, you sound quite lax about your personal security.

The Mc Cann parents are responsible for what happened, they were lucky enough to get away with taking chances with their childrens safety 99 per cent of the time but eventually their luck ran out. Hopefully other parents who left their children in holiday resorts learnt a lesson from this and either stayed in the apartment with their children or else paid babysitters to act in loco parentis.

splinter65 · 17-03-2019 01:55PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet I have not resorted to lying or twisting the words of others I disagree with, the fact I don't resort to your behaviour gives me credibility. Do as you wish you don't need my consent or permission. ;-)

As this is an opinion based forum then no one person has any more credibility then anyone else. I didn’t ask for your consent or permission to do anything as you don’t have any more authority then me.

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 02:01PM

splinter65 wrote:

As this is an opinion based forum then no one person has any more credibility then anyone else. I didnâ€™t ask for your consent or permission to do anything as you donâ€™t have any more authority then me.

Never claimed to have any authority, just curious why do you feel the need to lie and twist the comments of other posters?

iamwhoiam · 17-03-2019 02:02PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

I think the Mc Canns certainely are partly responsible for what happened . They failed to ensure the safety of the children and so are at fault . If I fail to put a toddler in a car seat and am in an crash resulting in the childs death then I am partly to blame for not ensuring his safety

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 02:03PM

iamwhoiam wrote:

I think the Mc Canns certainely are partly responsible for what happened . They failed to ensure the safety of the children and so are at fault . If I fail to put a toddler in a car seat and am in an crash resulting in the childs death then I am partly to blame for not ensuring his safety

Of course they are , they neglected their children on May 3rd when then went to the restaurant with their mates.

Trekker09 · 17-03-2019 02:58PM

limnam wrote: »

As a parent you cannot protect your kids from everything.

What you can do is your best and act with their safety at the forefront of everything you do. Especially so young. Especially in unfamiliar surroundings.

Heading of to a restaurant drinking with your pals leaving the kids in unsecured apartment that has public access is the complete opposite of the above. Selfishness/carelessness/negligent.

If this was there only mistake and everything afterwards was them acting in the best interest of the kids. I could probably find a way to put it to one side. So many questionable actions after it that you at some point run out of passes to give them.

I don't know if they're involved or not, but there actions before and after are all wrong.

I really think that they understand the gravity of their mistake. What I can't accept is your binary view of the situation. i have no doubt that everything they do is for the best interest of all of their kids. I can see nothing in their behaviour or demeanour that suggests that they are lovable parents that are paying an enormous price for a parenting mistake.

I don't like the mistake they made but my heart goes out to them.

Trekker09 · 17-03-2019 03:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Of course they are , they neglected their children on May 3rd when then went to the restaurant with their mates.

According to the documentary, there is at least one case where an intruder broke into properties in that area while both parents were in bed asleep. The abductors studied the behaviour of tourists in the area and exploited these behaviours into opportunities.

splinter65 · 17-03-2019 03:09PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Never claimed to have any authority, just curious why do you feel the need to lie and twist the comments of other posters?

In your last post you felt the need to assure me that I could post without your permission. That’s rather odd and disturbing. If you could point out the “lies” that I’ve told maybe I could address your concerns?
Remember, me having a different view point to yours doesn’t make my viewpoint a “lie”. Points you don’t agree with aren’t “lies”. But go ahead.

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 03:18PM

splinter65 wrote:

But they werenâ€™t left alone. They were being checked every half hour.

Hmmm.......

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 03:29PM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Yet I have not resorted to lying or twisting the words of others I disagree with, the fact I don't resort to your behaviour gives me credibility. Do as you wish you don't need my consent or permission. ;-)

splinter65 wrote:

In your last post you felt the need to assure me that I could post without your permission. Thatâ€™s rather odd and disturbing. If you could point out the â€œliesâ€ that Iâ€™ve told maybe I could address your concerns? Remember, me having a different view point to yours doesnâ€™t make my viewpoint a â€œlieâ€. Points you donâ€™t agree with arenâ€™t â€œliesâ€. But go ahead.

I'll just leave this here, not sure what you are attempting with your reply.

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 03:31PM

Murat and Malinka got treated appallingly by all involved in the McCannn case.

Plumbthedepths · 17-03-2019 03:42PM

Trekker09 wrote:

According to the documentary, there is at least one case where an intruder broke into properties in that area while both parents were in bed asleep. The abductors studied the behaviour of tourists in the area and exploited these behaviours into opportunities.

What abductors? There is no proof of an abductor/abductors.

limnam · 17-03-2019 03:48PM

Trekker09 wrote: »

I really think that they understand the gravity of their mistake. What I can't accept is your binary view of the situation. i have no doubt that everything they do is for the best interest of all of their kids. I can see nothing in their behaviour or demeanour that suggests that they are lovable parents that are paying an enormous price for a parenting mistake.

I don't like the mistake they made but my heart goes out to them.

Leaving 3 kids under 4 in an unsecured apartment with public access while you go drinking with your buddies is not acting in the best interest of the kids.

Not then.
Not now.
Not ever.

limnam · 17-03-2019 03:50PM

Trekker09 wrote: »

According to the documentary, there is at least one case where an intruder broke into properties in that area while both parents were in bed asleep. The abductors studied the behaviour of tourists in the area and exploited these behaviours into opportunities.

So lets go drinking with our pals in the restraunt and leave the kids alone because, well. They could be taken while we're asleep anyway.

Stunning work.

griffinlee · 17-03-2019 04:00PM

Something Else

whilst im not detective, my opinion is
child woke up & (or was playing before they left), began playing in the sitting room, jumping on the couch the way every other child jumps and plays. the child was on top of the couch and slipped/fell towards the back, injuring herself, possibly breaking her neck. this would fall into line with how the sniffer dogs detected the scent at the back of the couch.
the parents panicked and knew they were to blame,child was dead& covered it up. however i have no idea how where and when the body was moved

Trekker09 · 17-03-2019 04:02PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What abductors? There is no proof of an abductor/abductors.

So what happened to Madeleine then?

iamwhoiam · 17-03-2019 04:04PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Trekker09 wrote: »

So what happened to Madeleine then?

Well thats what we all would like to know . But there is no evidence of an abductor and so it is not a fact that there was one

Trekker09 · 17-03-2019 04:07PM

limnam wrote: »

Leaving 3 kids under 4 in an unsecured apartment with public access while you go drinking with your buddies is not acting in the best interest of the kids.

Not then.
Not now.
Not ever.

You're like a broken record! They made a dreadful mistake, we know it and they know it. They went for a bite to eat with a couple of glasses of wine, still wrong but hardly bar crawling.

limnam · 17-03-2019 04:10PM

Trekker09 wrote: »

You're like a broken record! They made a dreadful mistake, we know it and they know it. They went for a bite to eat with a couple of glasses of wine, still wrong but hardly bar crawling.

A dreadful mistake.

Yet hardly bar crawling.

What difference does it make. They left 3 kids under 4 in an unsecured apartment that can be accessed publicly while they sat in a restaurant eating and drinking.

Downplay it all you like. It's not dreadful because it wasn't that bad.

Trekker09 · 17-03-2019 04:10PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well thats what we all would like to know . But there is no evidence of an abductor and so it is not a fact that there was one

So if she wasn't taken then the McCanns killed her? Sorry, but in my view they had nothing intentionally to do with her disappearance.

limnam · 17-03-2019 04:11PM

Trekker09 wrote: »

So if she wasn't taken then the McCanns killed her? Sorry, but in my view they had nothing intentionally to do with her disappearance.

You give out about people having binary views yet you seem pretty set in yours.

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