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Madeleine McCann

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  • #2492
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    This changed after the Tapas party got their story straight.


    Ah, so there's no actual proof they did it every 30 minutes.


    No facts.


    Interesting.


  • #2493
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    limnam wrote:
    Ah, so there's no actual proof they did it every 30 minutes.


    Well if you believe the adults that engaged in irresponsible behaviour, what reason would they have to lie about the frequency of checks.


  • #2494
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    208 pages and not one poster has even attempted to put forward a theory about what could possibly have happened Madeleine.
    No, it’s the same old same old all the time. People inexplicably hating on people they don’t know and no nothing about. Rehashing the same old hackneyed nonsense over and over. Two different police forces have spent thousands and thousands of man hours and millions of pounds and are no wiser about what happened the poor little girl. I actually believe that none of you are as interested in her fate as you are totally desperate to see her parents punished for being two doctors (the cheek of them) from humble origins who lifted themselves up by their own bootstraps and made a success of their lives until one fateful day in May.
    Nothing will eat people alive from the inside out like begrudgery and jealousy.
    It’s literally pouring down the pages of this thread. Same posters, same posts year in and year out. Sad.


  • #2495
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    208 pages and not one poster has even attempted to put forward a theory about what could possibly have happened Madeleine.
    No, it’s the same old same old all the time. People inexplicably hating on people they don’t know and no nothing about. Rehashing the same old hackneyed nonsense over and over. Two different police forces have spent thousands and thousands of man hours and millions of pounds and are no wiser about what happened the poor little girl. I actually believe that none of you are as interested in her fate as you are totally desperate to see her parents punished for being two doctors (the cheek of them) from humble origins who lifted themselves up by their own bootstraps and made a success of their lives until one fateful day in May.
    Nothing will eat people alive from the inside out like begrudgery and jealousy.
    It’s literally pouring down the pages of this thread. Same posters, same posts year in and year out. Sad.

    There is a certain product out there for polishing your halo.

    What's your view on what happened?


  • #2496
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    208 pages and not one poster has even attempted to put forward a theory about what could possibly have happened Madeleine. No, it’s the same old same old all the time. People inexplicably hating on people they don’t know and no nothing about. Rehashing the same old hackneyed nonsense over and over. Two different police forces have spent thousands and thousands of man hours and millions of pounds and are no wiser about what happened the poor little girl. I actually believe that none of you are as interested in her fate as you are totally desperate to see her parents punished for being two doctors (the cheek of them) from humble origins who lifted themselves up by their own bootstraps and made a success of their lives until one fateful day in May. Nothing will eat people alive from the inside out like begrudgery and jealousy. It’s literally pouring down the pages of this thread. Same posters, same posts year in and year out. Sad.

    Nice attempt at baiting other posters, you hoping to get the thread closed or posters sanctioned?
    Here is a fact Madeline is missing due to the irresponsible behaviour of the two people that should have protected her, not opinion but fact.


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  • #2497
    Plumbthedepths
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    Has anyone ever explained how the twins slept through nearly 5/6 hours of commotion in the apartment. Never waking.


  • #2498
    dark crystal
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Here is a fact Madeline is missing due to the irresponsible behaviour of the two people that should have protected her, not opinion but fact.


    Partly, yes. I'd also blame whoever took her, the lack of police action after the event (lack of roadbloacks etc.). It was a litany of bad choices all round.


    I'll lay my stall out and say I don't believe the McCanns were directly responsible for the death of their daughter, who they appeared (to me) to love very much. I believe she was taken and will sadly never be found alive.


  • #2499
    dark crystal
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Has anyone ever explained how the twins slept through nearly 5/6 hours of commotion in the apartment. Never waking.


    No. However, when their hair samples were tested, there were no traces of sedatives found.


  • #2500
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Here is a fact Madeline is missing due to the irresponsible behaviour of the two people that should have protected her, not opinion but fact.

    Sorry, but this is untrue.
    Yes they were very irresponsible leaving their children like they did, I'm sure they regret that every day of their lives.
    However, the person or persons responsible are the Person(s) that either abducted her or killed & hid the body.
    Without evidence against the parents, you cannot state they did either. So not responsible for Madeline being missing.


  • #2501
    Plumbthedepths
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    dark crystal wrote:
    No. However, when their hair samples were tested, there were no traces of sedatives found.


    Still hard to believe two toddlers slept through the commotion in the apartment that night,not even waking when taken from their bed to a different apartment.


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  • #2502
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote:
    Sorry, but this is untrue. Yes they were very irresponsible leaving their children like they did, I'm sure they regret that every day of their lives. However, the person or persons responsible are the Person(s) that either abducted her or killed & hid the body. Without evidence against the parents, you cannot state they did either. So not responsible for Madeline being missing.


    What's not true? I said they left their child alone and unprotected. I didn't say they killed her don't start making up stuff like another poster here engages in. What I said is her disappearance is a result of her parents leaving her alone, they bare responsibility.


  • #2503
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What I said is her disappearance is a result of her parents leaving her alone, they bare responsibility.

    That's not true.
    Her disappearance is the responsibility of whoever ' dissapeared ' her.


  • #2504
    Spanish Eyes
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Sorry, but this is untrue.
    Yes they were very irresponsible leaving their children like they did, I'm sure they regret that every day of their lives.
    However, the person or persons responsible are the Person(s) that either abducted her or killed & hid the body.
    Without evidence against the parents, you cannot state they did either. So not responsible for Madeline being missing.

    I cannot reconcile the fact that the parents left three under four year olds alone, and yet the sole responsibility for whatever happened is placed on a so called abductor.

    There is no evidence of abduction either though. Is there?


  • #2505
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote:
    That's not true. Her disappearance is the responsibility of whoever ' dissapeared ' her.


    So her parents leaving her unprotected in an apartment with her younger siblings has no bearing on her disappearance? Really?


  • #2506
    cnocbui
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Has anyone ever explained how the twins slept through nearly 5/6 hours of commotion in the apartment. Never waking.

    I can't imagine where the term 'sleep like a baby' ever came from. :rolleyes:


  • #2507
    [Deleted User]
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    yet the sole responsibility for whatever happened is placed on a so called abductor.

    There is no evidence of abduction either though. Is there?

    Of course sole responsibility lies with whoever ' dissapeared ' her.
    Victims are never to blame in crimes.


  • #2508
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So her parents leaving her unprotected in an apartment with her younger siblings has no bearing on her disappearance? Really?

    Nope. Whoever took her is responsible, whoever that may be.


  • #2509
    dark crystal
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Spanish Eyes wrote: »

    There is no evidence of abduction either though. Is there?


    Besides a missing child?


    Shame the crime scene was so trampled and there was no CCTV at the Ocean Club. It might have made the investigation so much easier.


  • #2510
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote:
    Of course sole responsibility lies with whoever ' dissapeared ' her. Victims are never to blame in crimes.


    Why would Madeline be blamed? She is the victim.


  • #2511
    cnocbui
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I cannot reconcile the fact that the parents left three under four year olds alone, and yet the sole responsibility for whatever happened is placed on a so called abductor.

    There is no evidence of abduction either though. Is there?

    There is no evidence of anything, apart from Madeline being missing.


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  • #2512
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote:
    Nope. Whoever took her is responsible, whoever that may be.

    So leaving her unprotected in your opinion was ok?


  • #2513
    limnam
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Besides a missing child?


    Shame the crime scene was so trampled and there was no CCTV at the Ocean Club. It might have made the investigation so much easier.


    A missing child is not evidence of an abduction. No more than it's not evidence the parents killed her.


  • #2514
    dark crystal
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    A missing child is not evidence of an abduction. No more than it's not evidence the parents killed her.


    Ok, there's a missing child. What are the options?


  • #2515
    limnam
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ok, there's a missing child. What are the options?




    Not sure what part you don't seem to get


    A missing child is a missing child.


    It's not evidence someone abducted it, it's not evidence it got "lost" it's not evidence it was killed.


    You understand?


  • #2516
    iamwhoiam
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ok, there's a missing child. What are the options?

    Wandered and got lost or fell in a hole

    Was taken by an abductor

    Died and was taken away by someone who knew her

    Was killed by accident or died by accident and was removed


    All possible but no evidence of any of them

    Thats the strange puzzle here , not one single bit of evidence for any option . Nothing at all


  • #2517
    Spanish Eyes
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    Binary discussion.

    There are those who, in my opinion of course have an open mind on what happened. And there are those who will not countenance anything other than a bogeyman/woman stealing the child from an unlocked unchecked apartment a good bit away from the eating and drinking.

    I know which one I think. But anyway.

    There is no evidence that the child was abducted at all. There is some kind of hmmm about the fact that the twin kids slept right through all the commotion for hours.

    There are theories galore out there.

    But the bottom line, as we all know is that those three under fours (under four!) were left alone night after night, and no one knows if they were ever checked on at all.

    So the child is gone.

    The parents were neglectful. They know this, we know this, you all know this. But what I would like to know is where is the evidence of an abductor at all?

    There is none.


  • #2518
    splinter65
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    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Nice attempt at baiting other posters, you hoping to get the thread closed or posters sanctioned?
    Here is a fact Madeline is missing due to the irresponsible behaviour of the two people that should have protected her, not opinion but fact.

    I get it. You’re of the opinion that Madeleines parents behaved irresponsibly. For some reason you can’t distinguish between “facts” and your opinion.
    Well Madeleines disappeance had nothing to do with her parents who behaved impeccably throughout. Not opinion, fact.


  • #2519
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Not sure what part you don't seem to get


    A missing child is a missing child.


    It's not evidence someone abducted it, it's not evidence it got "lost" it's not evidence it was killed.


    You understand?


    There's really no need to be so patronising in your reply. I'm not stupid, so don't talk down to me as if I were.



    Is abduction one of the more reasonable assumptions to make when a young child goes missing from their bed? I mean aside from alien abduction, running away to join the circus etc. It's a reasonable theory that she was abducted, rather than any of those other things.


    What evidence of abduction are you looking for in this particular case? A witness? None that weren't either ruled out or were never followed up on.


    CCTV images? None available in the immediate area.



    Fingerprints? Gloves?


    Footprints? The crime scene was trampled. Vital evidence perhaps lost.


    A confession? Not likely.


    Dead body covered in the abductors DNA? Not so far.


    Found alive? Again, sadly unlikely.



    What other evidence would you suggest looking for for abduction to be a viable option besides a missing child?


  • #2520
    limnam
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    I get it. You’re of the opinion that Madeleines parents behaved irresponsibly. For some reason you can’t distinguish between “facts” and your opinion.
    Well Madeleines disappeance had nothing to do with her parents who behaved impeccably throughout. Not opinion, fact.


    The McCanns are of the opinion they behaved irresponsibly.


    Hence them regretting it. Fact.


    Behaved impeccably? They refused to cooperate with the Portuguese police?
    They left 3 kids under 4 at home alone while they went out and ate and drank?


    Is this a wind up?


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  • #2521
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    Well Madeleines disappeance had nothing to do with her parents who behaved impeccably throughout. Not opinion, fact.


    The same parents who went off to a restaurant with their mates for a meal leaving their children unattended and unprotected , door unlocked. Impeccable, lol.


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