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Penalty points for L-plates

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    #32
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    According to this the OP could have gotten a fine of up to €1000 and his/her vehicle could have been seized

    https://passthetest.ie/new-laws/

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #33
    iwillhtfu
    Registered Users Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    OSI wrote: »
    There is required to be a 2cm white border surrounding the outer edges of the L. There is most definitely not 2cm the whole way around on that plate.

    You'd have to be some right thunder **** to pull them up on that I'd say there's about 13mm at the bottom and top possibly 14mm :rolleyes:


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    #34
    Billbo2015
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Billbo2015


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    So driving illegally unaccompanied and without correct L plates. How do you think an appeal with work out OP?

    Who doesn’t have correct L plates?


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    #35
    Billbo2015
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Billbo2015


    tuxy wrote: »
    You are correct I know someone who recently got caught and fined for speeding(3 point) and no N plates(2 points) in the same stop.

    They had 3 points applied to their licence.

    No it says 2 for driving unaccompanied and 2 for L plates .. would this just be made into one offence as they are ok separate paper but sent in the same letter


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    #36
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    TBH OP if that is all you are being done for I would take it and be done with it.

    Your word against the Garda's in Court- you have no chance.


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    #37
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Billbo2015 wrote: »
    No it says 2 for driving unaccompanied and 2 for L plates .. would this just be made into one offence as they are ok separate paper but sent in the same letter

    What happen is you have to pay the combined fine for both offences but only one offence(the more serious one if they carry different points) will add points to your licence.


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    #38
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    You pay both fines but only get points for one as pointed out.

    Example I speed and get fine is 3 points and then I drive the wrong way down the motorway I get 2 points.

    I get 2 fines but only get the 3 points and not add them up to get 5.


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    #39
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    It will be 4 points if you decide to appeal this and fail and you will still get the 2 points for being unaccompanied if you win the appeal on the L plates.


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    #40
    Budawanny
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭Budawanny


    Billbo2015 wrote: »
    I got a fine out this morning for driving without L signs which I had up when I got stopped and got two penalty points? I’m just wondering does anyone know if there’s a point in appealing this I would never drive without L plates?

    Probably a mistake. it happens. pulse is not a very forgiving system.

    Contact the guard and fine out.


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    #41
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,275 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    The unaccompanied rule has always been around, but, like many motoring laws in Ireland it was ignored until some poor fcukers family was wiped out by a young one driving like the clappers.

    The current rule has not always been around. I was legally allowed to drive unaccompanied when i had my second provisional licence.


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    #42
    Billbo2015
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Billbo2015


    tuxy wrote: »
    You are correct I know someone who recently got caught and fined for speeding(3 point) and no N plates(2 points) in the same stop.

    They had 3 points applied to their licence.

    No it says 2 for driving unaccompanied and 2 for L plates .. would this just be made into one offence as they are ok separate paper but sent in the same letter


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    #43
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Billbo2015 wrote: »
    No it says 2 for driving unaccompanied and 2 for L plates .. would this just be made into one offence as they are ok separate paper but sent in the same letter

    2 offences, 2 fines, one set of points added to licence.


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    #44
    ShellBell89
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭ShellBell89


    I'd count yourself lucky you didn't get a €1000 fine & your cars seized as well


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    #45
    Billbo2015
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Billbo2015


    tuxy wrote: »
    What happen is you have to pay the combined fine for both offences but only one offence(the more serious one if they carry different points) will add points to your licence.

    I know but they came out on separate fines different sheets so would they be a combined fine because it happened at the same time?


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    #46
    iwillhtfu
    Registered Users Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    OSI wrote: »
    Or just be pissed off enough at someone pushing their luck after being caught doing one offence.

    If you pulled someone for something and they decided to be a cheeky **** I'd be more than happy to find every little detail I could book em on.

    Coincidentally I was behind a car with N plates this evening and they were almost identical to OPs. I wonder are they actually being sold like that in some places.

    Yup seems to be the case these are from Halfords and it certainly doesn't look like 20mm at top and bottom

    124077?w=637&h=403


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    #47
    TheChizler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    Coincidentally I was behind a car with N plates this evening and they were almost identical to OPs. I wonder are they actually being sold like that in some places.

    Yup seems to be the case these are from Halfords and it certainly doesn't look like 20mm at top and bottom

    124077?w=637&h=403
    I've seen ones for sale with most of the white cut out as well, not sure it's drivers doing the cutting. Don't think the law says they have to be square (maybe it does?) so as long as the border is 2cm they might be legal.

    Edit: I see you already suggested this!


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    #48
    V8 Interceptor
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    CoBo55 wrote: »
    The unaccompanied rule has always been around, but, like many motoring laws in Ireland it was ignored until some poor fcukers family was wiped out by a young one driving like the clappers.

    Incorrect.


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    #49
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Incorrect.

    Correct.

    The only thing the Clancy amendement changes is that the car can be seized and the owner made liable. It was always illegal to drive unaccompanied.


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    #50
    punisher5112
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Correct.

    The only thing the Clancy amendement changes is that the car can be seized and the owner made liable. It was always illegal to drive unaccompanied.

    Only time permitted was on 2nd provisional back in the day.

    So you could actually arrive for your test with L plates on and legally drive on even if you failed.

    Now since it became a learning permit this was got rid of.

    People driving 30 years on a provisional is just nuts.


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    #51
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Only time permitted was on 2nd provisional back in the day.

    So you could actually arrive for your test with L plates on and legally drive on even if you failed.

    Now since it became a learning permit this was got rid of.

    People driving 30 years on a provisional is just nuts.

    You must be talking REALLY back in the day. As long as I can remember, it's been illegal. End of story. No exceptions.


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    #52
    BuzzMcdonnell
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    troyzer wrote: »
    You must be talking REALLY back in the day. As long as I can remember, it's been illegal. End of story. No exceptions.

    As far as I know you could drive unaccompanied on a second provisional up until about a decade ago.

    Edit: Just found an article from the Irish Times, you could drive unaccompanied an a second provisional license up until October 2007.


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    #53
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    BuzzMcdonnell wrote: »
    As far as I know you could drive unaccompanied on a second provisional up until about a decade ago.

    Edit: Just found an article from the Irish Times, you could drive unaccompanied an a second provisional license up until October 2007.

    Really? Wow. No wonder people weren't arsed getting their full license.


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    #54
    amcalester
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Really? Wow. No wonder people weren't arsed getting their full license.

    Only on your second, not on your third IIRC.

    Don't know how true this is, but at the time we were told that it was because the only way to get a third provisional was if you had failed the test so you needed a fully licensed driver with you.

    On your second you were "experienced" so could drive unaccompanied.


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    #55
    cython
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Really? Wow. No wonder people weren't arsed getting their full license.
    amcalester wrote: »
    Only on your second, not on your third IIRC.

    Don't know how true this is, but at the time we were told that it was because the only way to get a third provisional was if you had failed the test so you needed a fully licensed driver with you.

    On your second you were "experienced" so could drive unaccompanied.

    Basically this. I passed my test in around 2006, on second provisional, and legitimately drove myself to and from the test with the L plates up and no accompanying driver. It's really not that long ago since it was allowed, but (and without knowing troyzer's or when they learned to drive it's impossible to say whether it's even possible for them to "remember" this time as a driver) it's no bad thing that people seem to think already that it's so outlandish a concept. Though it is regrettable the amount of people that do it anyway.

    And actually, since the learner permit system was introduced in 2007, I think any second provisionals issued up to that had "grandfather" rights to drive unaccompanied, so tack on about 2 years from the date of inception of learner permits to work out the date at which learners driving unaccompanied was completely illegal in that case.


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    #56
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    cython wrote: »
    Basically this. I passed my test in around 2006, on second provisional, and legitimately drove myself to and from the test with the L plates up and no accompanying driver. It's really not that long ago since it was allowed, but (and without knowing troyzer's or when they learned to drive it's impossible to say whether it's even possible for them to "remember" this time as a driver) it's no bad thing that people seem to think already that it's so outlandish a concept. Though it is regrettable the amount of people that do it anyway.

    And actually, since the learner permit system was introduced in 2007, I think any second provisionals issued up to that had "grandfather" rights to drive unaccompanied, so tack on about 2 years from the date of inception of learner permits to work out the date at which learners driving unaccompanied was completely illegal in that case.

    I'm only 26 so it would make sense that I have no memory of this. Even my oldest mates and siblings would have been getting their license in the noughties.


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    #57
    tuxy
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    Even though it was only your second provisional that you could drive unaccompanied at the time it was never enforced on any provisional licence.
    I was learning to drive and on my first provisional before that law changed and went through many checkpoints in many different counties and never had questions asked. At the time the only real incentive to do the test was for a reduction in insurance cost.


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    #58
    ohnonotgmail
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    troyzer wrote: »
    You must be talking REALLY back in the day. As long as I can remember, it's been illegal. End of story. No exceptions.

    So because it happened before your living memory it isn't true?


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    #59
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    So because it happened before your living memory it isn't true?

    No he's simply saying 2007 = back in the day and anyone who can remember it mush have one foot in the grave.


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    #60
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,275 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tuxy wrote: »
    No he's simply saying 2007 = back in the day and anyone who can remember it mush have one foot in the grave.

    yeah 2007 is really ancient history


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    #61
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    i'd object to that if it wasn't true :-(


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