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Reg for Lidl chargers from 05/12/18

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  • #62
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Their website is terrible. The address details form is all over the place. It asks for "city number" and "city name". Entering my address backwards was the most logical way I could see to do it, as it did not ask for town.

    I won't be completing any direct debit either. They need to introduce contactless payments, or a top-up service.

    Stay Free



  • #63
    Gile_na_gile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭Gile_na_gile


    zg3409 wrote: »
    475238.jpg

    Image "stolen" from facebook post

    The location seems to be marked on the easygo map.

    https://mycarcharger.etrel.com/#/portal/locationmodal/95452

    The charger seems to be CCS and Chademo only, no AC43KW for Zoe etc.

    I expect it is not available yet. It is great to see competition entering the market.

    Its a strange location for a fast charger at a hotel, not a petrol station with a shop, also so close to nearby esb monaghan fast charger. It is great to see it, but if it was my money I would be putting it in a very busy location like Blanchardstown or similar.




    Not the nicest design either. A festival of fonts, with an oversized self-advertising panel. Lots of redudant text ("Probably Ireland's best" etc). A bit of Patty's day green to make it Oirish, but the best way to show it is Irish is retrained design with modern minimalist fonts and agus le 'pointe luchtaithe' scríofa air. Bh'fhéidir bheadh gorm nó dearg níos fearr ná glas.


  • #64
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,185 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Gile_na_gile wrote: »
    Not the nicest design either. A festival of fonts, with an oversized self-advertising panel. Lots of redudant text ("Probably Ireland's best" etc). A bit of Patty's day green to make it Oirish, but the best way to show it is Irish is retrained design with modern minimalist fonts and agus le 'pointe luchtaithe' scríofa air. Bh'fhéidir bheadh gorm nó dearg níos fearr ná glas.


    Lets get the network expanded and working before we focus on the cupla focal et al

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #65
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,673 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Gile_na_gile wrote: »
    Not the nicest design either. A festival of fonts, with an oversized self-advertising panel. Lots of redudant text ("Probably Ireland's best" etc). A bit of Patty's day green to make it Oirish, but the best way to show it is Irish is retrained design with modern minimalist fonts and agus le 'pointe luchtaithe' scríofa air. Bh'fhéidir bheadh gorm nó dearg níos fearr ná glas.

    Ok, Mr Advertising Exec! I for one am glad to get a good few more of these fast chargers out there. I got my dongle about 6 months ago, but haven't used it yet.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #66
    Mickeroo
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    Pretty sure those chargers are common in Norway, they look exactly like the fortum ones Bjorn is always using in his vids.


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  • #67
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,735 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Pretty sure those chargers are common in Norway, they look exactly like the fortum ones Bjorn is always using in his vids.
    Yes they are the "wifey" chargers he refers to.
    He describes them as cheap and problematic especially in cold weather or for newer cars.


  • #68
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Chris Kelly from easygo said this on facebook Irish EV Owners Association:
    1. Yes, there is a signup required for gocardless direct debit if using the paid chargers. Otherwise it is free and we'll still be sending out the key fobs for free.
    Signing up is a requirement to use the chargers.
    2. You don't have to sign up for gocardless, but you won't be able to start the paid for chargers with your fob or phone. You can use the Pay as you go feature that is on the phone.
    3. The public paid charge points on Easygo.ie currently are -
    Monaghan, Four Seasons Hotel 50kW, €0.35 per minute connected.
    Douglas Cork, Douglas Village Shopping Centre, €0.20 per kwh and O' Sullivans Bar, €0.35 per kwh
    Aldi, Glenageary, Dublin €0.18 per kwh.
    Each paid charger has a €0.24 connection fee per charge.

    So you can pay without a direct debit, but not using the fob. You need to start via the web page with phone app coming later.

    In terms of the shape of the charger, it does help reserve the spaces better as it looks like sort of a fuel pump, and reports today even when the car park was full with wedding guests the 2 marked spaces were free.

    Some comments on facebook about the cost, e.g. 30 minutes is 0.35 x 30 =10.50 Euro + connection fee. Note: €1.25 connection fee for pay as you go customer.

    With a current zero cost charger 300 metres away I cant see it being very busy, but that may be a good thing for those who need it, when the other one is busy, blocked or broken. The relatively high fee will mean when it is in use, it will free up as soon as the person has just enough range to reach their destination or home charger.

    I like the mention of being able to reserve the charger for a specific time, it would be interesting to see how that works

    Someone said there is a good petrol station with a shop just across the road


  • #69
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,673 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Some comments on facebook about the cost, e.g. 30 minutes is 0.35 x 30 =10.50 Euro + connection fee. Note: €1.25 connection fee for pay as you go customer.

    Good. Pity they don't have a few chargers on the same location. I'd gladly pay that fee when I'm travelling long distance

    Let the riff raff form orderly queues at the free ESB charger across the road if they don't mind waiting a few hours for a charge :pac:

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #70
    fricatus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭fricatus


    Is there any information on where future chargers are likely to be, or how many they plan to have nationwide by the end of the year, etc?


  • #71
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Chris Kelly from easygo said this on facebook Irish EV Owners Association:



    So you can pay without a direct debit, but not using the fob. You need to start via the web page with phone app coming later.

    In terms of the shape of the charger, it does help reserve the spaces better as it looks like sort of a fuel pump, and reports today even when the car park was full with wedding guests the 2 marked spaces were free.

    Some comments on facebook about the cost, e.g. 30 minutes is 0.35 x 30 =10.50 Euro + connection fee. Note: €1.25 connection fee for pay as you go customer.

    With a current zero cost charger 300 metres away I cant see it being very busy, but that may be a good thing for those who need it, when the other one is busy, blocked or broken. The relatively high fee will mean when it is in use, it will free up as soon as the person has just enough range to reach their destination or home charger.

    I like the mention of being able to reserve the charger for a specific time, it would be interesting to see how that works

    Someone said there is a good petrol station with a shop just across the road

    That pricing is a bit strong. It's a good bit dearer than the UK chargers. More rip off Ireland stuff?

    UK rates are between £0.30 to £0.35 per kW. Some companies have a connection fee, but most drivers seem to think that this is a rip off and avoid those chargers.

    Like most, I have no problem with paying for a charge, but would object to being taken for a mug. Payment for charging should be set to deter freeloaders, but not to punish those who need to use the public network. Payment per minute is all well and good if it stops people sitting on the charger after the charge ramps down, but it punishes those looking to get into electric motoring and can't afford the newest, fastest charging cars. Per kW charging is fairer.

    If companies can make profit from charging 30-35 pence per kW in the Uk (where electricity is dearer than here), why should we be screwed here?


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  • #72
    ewj1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    "Douglas Cork, Douglas Village Shopping Centre, €0.20 per kwh and O' Sullivans Bar, €0.35 per kwh
    Aldi, Glenageary, Dublin €0.18 per kwh."

    .18c per kwh.. Cheaper than a lot of peoples homes..


  • #73
    discostu1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭discostu1


    Have a read this is not necessarily a good development if we wish to move more towards eCars there should be some level of incentive this looks at first glance as if your as well off with your fossil car in terms of "fuel"


    https://greennews.ie/new-private-ev-charger-scheme-comes-with-a-cost/


  • #74
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    discostu1 wrote: »
    Have a read this is not necessarily a good development if we wish to move more towards eCars there should be some level of incentive this looks at first glance as if your as well off with your fossil car in terms of "fuel"


    https://greennews.ie/new-private-ev-charger-scheme-comes-with-a-cost/

    That is just idiotic, it should have a charge of per kw and then if at 90% charge per min.

    If this goes ahead it will create a cartel, why would ESB make their prices cheaper, there is meant to be competition but this approach is just fleecing the consumer, Easygo if you’re watching I’ll be boycotting and encouraging others to do so.


  • #75
    discostu1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭discostu1


    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    That is just idiotic, it should have a charge of per kw and then if at 90% charge per min.

    If this goes ahead it will create a cartel, why would ESB make their prices cheaper, there is meant to be competition but this approach is just fleecing the consumer, Easygo if you’re watching I’ll be boycotting and encouraging others to do so.

    My thoughts as well, I use the Lidl Free charging when we shop there and that's an excellent facility. You get 15/20kms and it has probably moved us a little more to Lidl but if as a country we want more people to adopt EVs those prices wont help.
    I thought I heard maybe the ESB CEO say something like it would be 30c a KW which for a 30 KM Leaf would be roughly 9 euros but that would probably be comparable with a petrol/diesel for 200 kms


  • #76
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,673 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    They got their sums all wrong:

    " its network would charge 35 cent per minute for users to access its 50kw ‘rapid chargers’. This works out at an hourly charge of €21.

    A typical EV would expect to receive sufficient charge for around 200km in a one hour period"

    This is nonsense. A 20%-80% top up in say Ioniq would require 17kWh (28kWh battery capacity * (0.8-0.2) and would take 20 minutes at their 50kW charger. This would cost EUR7 and with the car doing on average 14kWh/100 km (WLTP), it will give you 120km, so under 6c/km

    The diesel in their example costs 10c/km

    And of course they forgot to mention that 99% of the time you charge at home for 1c/km. How much does it cost to charge your diesel at home? :D

    But even for people who only ever charge on this commercial fast charger, it is still 40% cheaper than diesel. And of course the cheap tax, no maintenance, cheap tolls, comfort, speed, etc.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #77
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    Here we go again.

    Pricing per minute is penalising owners of slower charging cars and is not the way to go. For some people, a slower charging car may be all they can afford. Even the Leaf 40 could be in big trouble on a warm day in the middle of a long trip.

    I say this as the driver of one of the faster charging cars, so not just looking out for myself.

    Charging per kWh will always be the fairest option. Then add some penalties for overstaying and/or charging to 100%. This model seems to work well with all of the providers in the UK.

    Easygo can fuck right off with themselves.


  • #78
    ewj1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    Whoever wrote that piece needs their head examined.
    Their maths are all wrong. I've never sat at a fast charger for an hour in my life.

    Anyway, what were people expecting? The same rates as charging at home? They're a commercial enterprise not a charity. This will free up fast chargers for people who wish to pay.

    Sorry if people don't agree with this but do you honestly think the ESB aren't going to be bringing the same pricing to Ireland?


  • #79
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Silent Running wrote: »
    Here we go again.

    Pricing per minute is penalising owners of slower charging cars and is not the way to go. For some people, a slower charging car may be all they can afford. Even the Leaf 40 could be in big trouble on a warm day in the middle of a long trip.

    I say this as the driver of one of the faster charging cars, so not just looking out for myself.

    Charging per kWh will always be the fairest option. Then add some penalties for overstaying and/or charging to 100%. This model seems to work well with all of the providers in the UK.

    Easygo can fuck right off with themselves.

    You need to consider the value of the time too though. A slow charging car is taking up the time of a valuable resource and should still pay the same? And I am not speaking as someone with a fast charging car....I have a Leaf 24.

    Stay Free



  • #80
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,457 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    ...Ghost... wrote: »
    ...
    You need to consider the value of the time too though. A slow charging car is taking up the time of a valuable resource and should still pay the same? And I am not speaking as someone with a fast charging car....I have a Leaf 24.

    If you charge purely by time your basically saying people who are better off and can afford the latest fastest car get preference. This then devalues older cars.

    I can see why you think it's a limited resource that needs to be used optimally and not hogged by slow charging cars. But it's a worrying precedent to set.

    Maybe it would be better to have a time disconnect that if it's taking ages to charge and you've got 50% you get disconnected until someone else gets 30 mins. To complicated to be practical though.

    Maybe there's no solution.


  • #81
    ewj1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    We are talking at rapid chargers here i.e it'll charge at up to 50kw per hour. Most vehicles in the Irish market will charge at close to 50kw.
    leaf,tesla,i3,kia's,hyundai. Ones that don't?

    This will actually only penalise people who
    A: have a tendency to feck off from their cars and leave them charge till 100% (which they now won't do)
    B: People who have invested in larger battery cars.

    My i3 will charge from 0-80% in 30 mins so thats €9 (near 160km range) for the odd time that i'll actually be travelling away from my home charger.
    I say grand. There's an enormous thread here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057967942 about hoggers at chargers and I'm pretty sure if you check this forum over the years you'll find similar threads. Bring on the charging I say and all the freeloaders can feck off.


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  • #82
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    beauf wrote: »
    If you charge purely by time your basically saying people who are better off and can afford the latest fastest car get preference. This then devalues older cars.

    I can see why you think it's a limited resource that needs to be used optimally and not hogged by slow charging cars. But it's a worrying precedent to set.

    Maybe it would be better to have a time disconnect that if it's taking ages to charge and you've got 50% you get disconnected until someone else gets 30 mins. To complicated to be practical though.

    Maybe there's no solution.

    I would personally prefer charging per kWh. A time limit of 30 min (or more) could help prevent overstaying. The charger would stop feeding the car and perhaps an overstay fee per 5 minutes until the car is unplugged could apply.

    There are ways the resource can be maximised and any business owner will want to maximise the use of the resource and the income from it.

    Stay Free



  • #83
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,673 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    beauf wrote: »
    Maybe there's no solution.

    There is. 30c per minute plus 30c per kWh!

    No one is going to Leaf their L40 or their Kona on the fast charger for two hours anymore, like some imbeciles do at the moment...

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #84
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    unkel wrote: »
    There is. 30c per minute plus 30c per kWh!

    No one is going to Leaf their L40 or their Kona on the fast charger for two hours anymore, like some imbeciles do at the moment...

    Lets be fair, they need to make a profit but 30c per minute and
    30c per kwh is too expensive. I dont want to sit at a charger for 2 hours either but on a long distance it is possible I need to go from 10% to 85% which maybe an hour. It needs to be per Kwh and then charge if charging over a certain percentage - this would catch all persons leaving for over an hour.


  • #85
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,673 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You take up a resource. You have to pay. You won't pay half the rent in your house if you're only there a few days of the week

    Still in your case, your charge would cost 60 minutes * 30c + 30kWh(?) * 30c = EUR27 a few times a year and the rest of the time you charge at home for EUR3

    I'd more than happy pay a large premium for reliable fast charging where you never have to queue on the rare occasion that I need it. The current free system has completely clogged up the fast charging network (in the greater Dublin area) - there are people queuing for over an hour every day on my local fast charger to get a charge - that's bat sh1t crazy.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #86
    creedp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭creedp


    unkel wrote: »
    You take up a resource. You have to pay. You won't pay half the rent in your house if you're only there a few days of the week

    Still in your case, your charge would cost 60 minutes * 30c + 30kWh(?) * 30c = EUR27 a few times a year and the rest of the time you charge at home for EUR3

    I'd more than happy pay a large premium for reliable fast charging where you never have to queue on the rare occasion that I need it. The current free system has completely clogged up the fast charging network (in the greater Dublin area) - there are people queuing for over an hour every day on my local fast charger to get a charge - that's bat sh1t crazy.

    Everytime I raise this issue I get responses like if you are dependant on public charging you have bought the wrong car ... something I disagree with ...

    Yes bring on public charging but solving a problem caused by free charging by introducing a double pronged charge resulting in a €27 for a charge seems a bit excessive. I'm all for charging but think that a proposed tariff that is 9 times the home charging rate is akin to cracking a nut with a sledge hammer, particularly for those who are currently regular users of FCPs.


  • #87
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    unkel wrote: »
    You take up a resource. You have to pay. You won't pay half the rent in your house if you're only there a few days of the week

    Still in your case, your charge would cost 60 minutes * 30c + 30kWh(?) * 30c = EUR27 a few times a year and the rest of the time you charge at home for EUR3

    I'd more than happy pay a large premium for reliable fast charging where you never have to queue on the rare occasion that I need it. The current free system has completely clogged up the fast charging network (in the greater Dublin area) - there are people queuing for over an hour every day on my local fast charger to get a charge - that's bat sh1t crazy.

    A couple of points...

    Firstly, the current network is clogged because it's free. We don't know how the existing network will perform after a payment is introduced. It's possible that the current network is adequate, with some expansion into areas that are thinly covered. Also, the funds raised from the fees can be fed back into maintenance and upgrades. The network can grow as the number of electric cars on the road increases, thereby increasing revenue. Clearly, multiple chargers per site will be required near population centres.

    Secondly, it's not necessarily the case that you would have to pay extortionate charges to ensure an available and functioning charger when needed. The market will decide what charges can be levied. Competition should ensure that we're not completely shafted, unless we allow a cartel to form. You only have to look at the motor insurance market to see this in action. Ecars and Easygo will charge what they can get away with. All I'm saying is: if we allow them to gouge us, they will happily do so.

    If we put our hands out to be slapped, they will be slapped. Don't send the message to providers that we'll be happy to be shafted if they provide a service we want. For all we know, that service might well be there once fees chase all the freeloaders home to charge.

    Roll on proper competition like Ionity. Easygo seem to have started off on the wrong foot.

    I would love to see the likes of Instavolt set up here. Multiple chargers per site, no stupid membership, app, token or payment system and fair pricing. You just roll up to the charger, tap your credit/debit card and charge.


  • #88
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭zg3409


    New notification from easygo. Seems that new app for android only will launch very soon
    At EasyGo, we’re making some changes to how users access chargers on the EasyGo Charge Point Network from this week.
    Instead of signing up on our web app or accessing chargers through a web browser, we are thrilled to be launching our very own EasyGo App. Initially we are launching the Android version, with iOS to follow in the coming weeks. We'll send you a brief email with a Link to the App download location when the final versions go live.

    How we're preparing for this transition..
    Apart from it being so much easier to use, there are a couple of changes to your EasyGo Account.

    You will now become a PrePay User, meaning you can 'top up' your account with funds to pay for charging where required. You will not need to 'top up' to use any free to use chargers.
    The new features on the App mean we are no longer requesting Direct Debit sign-up requests. If you signed up for direct debit in the past, your direct debit details will be cancelled and your account will revert to PrePay automatically. We don’t store direct debit details. To use charge points requiring payment, you need to 'top up' your account with funds.
    If you didn’t sign up for direct debit, your account will also change to PrePay automatically.
    What are the benefits of having a PrePay Account?
    Apart from it being so much easier to use, there are a couple of changes to your EasyGo Account.

    You have access to your favourite charge points on the App and soon you will be able to book it in advance.
    You have access to your charging history.
    You will have access to notifications on your charging session, including notifications of when your car is charged.
    Some EasyGo user questions we've received..
    How much does it cost to use an EasyGo charger?

    The Pay to Use chargers have different fees for use. Because the chargers are owned by the site owner, they set the pricing.
    Pricing on EasyGo AC(7 or 22kW) chargers, is currently set to have a €0.24 access fee and a kWh fee of between €0.10 up to €0.35.
    Pricing on EasyGo DC(50kW) chargers, is currently set to have a €0.24 access fee and a 'per minute plugged in' fee of €0.35.
    Even though most are free, remember to check the price for each charger on the App (Web) for the charger location.


    How do I ’Top-up’ my account ?

    You can log into your EasyGo account online and choose 'Payments' from the menu on the left. payment is taken through a PayPal company and no card details are stored on our servers. The Minimum Top-up is €5.00.
    You can also call us on 01 25 444 56 to ’Top-up’ your account, where a member of staff can take payment. This service is available during business hours, Monday to Friday.

    Can I access E-Cars chargers with my account or Key Fob?
    Our App and Key Fobs are designed to work on EasyGo Chargers only, however, we are working on an integration project which should be completed by August 2019. Your current Fob will work as usual.


  • #89
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    Still too expensive, at .24 start and .35 per minute a 45 minute charge is 15.99. The rate should be .24 start and .25 per minute this would create a charge of 11.49 for 45 minutes, more reasonable


  • #90
    TBi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭TBi


    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    Still too expensive, at .24 start and .35 per minute a 45 minute charge is 15.99. The rate should be .24 start and .25 per minute this would create a charge of 11.49 for 45 minutes, more reasonable

    If it means the charger is free for use for the 2-3 times a year i need it then i'll be happy with the charge.


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  • #91
    discostu1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭discostu1


    I emailed as we use the Lidl charger when shopping, we don't charge a lot maybe 20 minutes 30 minutes .This is currently free and they have confirmed that this will continue to be the case


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