Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

12-03-2019 11:37AM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

with any luck they'll ditch treesa and elect someone with the vision to push Brexit through as voted for by the people.

no more silly talk of 2nd votes, no more faffing about, no more dashing across to junker & barmier.

they need to sell the vision of Brexit and push on with it.

What was the Brexit voted for by the people? One where they stay in the EEA because that's what the majority of Leavers claimed they wanted before the vote.

is_that_so · 12-03-2019 11:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What was the Brexit voted for by the people? One where they stay in the EEA because that's what the majority of Leavers claimed they wanted before the vote.

Just to leave the EU. No plan mind, just we're leaving! It certainly never extended to imaginative ideas like this.

Penfailed · 12-03-2019 11:42AM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

time to get rid of Treesa and push on with Brexit and respect the vote of the people.

That was the vote of just over half of the people. What about the other half? What kind of Brexit did they vote for? From what I can gather, none of the leavers can agree on what/how to leave...

Penfailed · 12-03-2019 11:43AM

There's a perfectly good Brexit thread for this conversation...

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 11:45AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Just to leave the EU. No plan mind, just we're leaving! It certainly never extended to imaginative ideas like this.

i agree. the electorate just want out.
this junker "deal" is a stitch-up.
who will decide if this goes to arbitration? yep you guessed it. that kangaroo court, the ECJ!

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 12:15PM

Fair play to Cox.
he's called it for what it is, the legal equivalent of pyrite.

is that the sound of a final nail i hear being driven?:D

cgcsb · 12-03-2019 12:23PM

Regarding the car bomb. Seems like a bit of waste of resources no? By the early 90s the then IRA realised that they could turn all of NI into a pile of rubble and the British government wouldn't bat an eyelid, then they turned their attentions to Canary Wharf and Manchester City Centre, which resulted in a complete U-turn in British policy. John Major turned from 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' to starting the process which resulted in the GFA.

To that end, setting off bombs in Derry, a City that is mostly nationalist and most MPs couldn't point to on a map, seems sort of self-defeating from the republican point of view. All it will do is piss off their support base. Why do it? I sort of doubt republican involvement tbh.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 12:54PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Regarding the car bomb. Seems like a bit of waste of resources no? By the early 90s the then IRA realised that they could turn all of NI into a pile of rubble and the British government wouldn't bat an eyelid, then they turned their attentions to Canary Wharf and Manchester City Centre, which resulted in a complete U-turn in British policy. John Major turned from 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' to starting the process which resulted in the GFA.

To that end, setting off bombs in Derry, a City that is mostly nationalist and most MPs couldn't point to on a map, seems sort of self-defeating from the republican point of view. All it will do is piss off their support base. Why do it? I sort of doubt republican involvement tbh.

well it looks like they've upped their game and are now licking stamps.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ira-london-bombs-letters-responsibility-glasgow-packages-a8818946.html

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-03-2019 01:00PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

well it looks like they've upped their game and are now licking stamps.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ira-london-bombs-letters-responsibility-glasgow-packages-a8818946.html

Upped their game from licking windows.

cgcsb · 12-03-2019 01:06PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

well it looks like they've upped their game and are now licking stamps.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ira-london-bombs-letters-responsibility-glasgow-packages-a8818946.html

Don't know if I buy that either. Galsgow is almost as peripheral to Tory England as Derry is, seems a waste of resources. The packets in London didn't even go boom. Probably an internal training exercise by the UK.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 01:16PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Don't know if I buy that either. Galsgow is almost as peripheral to Tory England as Derry is, seems a waste of resources. The packets in London didn't even go boom. Probably an internal training exercise by the UK.

anything's possible i suppose.
maybe it's the Russians!:eek:

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 01:25PM

Treesa is finished. Her silly WA is dead. They cant go on like this. i almost feel embarrassed for them.

i see a straight choice between WTO vs No Brexit.
in fairness it was always going to come down to this.

12-03-2019 01:29PM

cgcsb wrote: »

Don't know if I buy that either. Galsgow is almost as peripheral to Tory England as Derry is, seems a waste of resources. The packets in London didn't even go boom. Probably an internal training exercise by the UK.

So not a callous endangerment of lives, it’s a waste of resources?

Where do you suggest those resources are better used?

cgcsb · 12-03-2019 02:29PM

Aegir wrote: »

So not a callous endangerment of lives, it’s a waste of resources?

Where do you suggest those resources are better used?

For an extremist republican, the endangerment of lives would be incidental at worst or indeed the whole point of the plot.

In order to answer your question, let's make some assumptions:

-The letter devices are indeed the work of the IRA or similar group and not an
internal UK job or some random nutter.
-The goal is to send a warning to the UK government
-It is Brexit related

Assuming the above are true I would hypothesis that such a group would do better using their material (it's hard to get you cant just order pre made letter bombs off amazon). The offices of Borris, May and Rease Mog would be good targets, but likely to be heavily fortified. Getting it couriered to them while they are away from their home base for example when May was doing here 'Brexit Roadshow'. London is a security fortress with CCTV these days better to wait till these people leave it.

Alternatively the UK (incl. London) is defenceless against drone bombs. This could be a cheap option for example, you can buy them with cash these days, they even have night vision/heat signature cameras and can carry over 1KG, enough to deliver quite the scare to their homes at night.

The thing about terrorism is, it's a waste of effort if the decision makers/their constituents are not living in fear. Thatcher was an exception, there was a decent attempt made on her, but gosh darn her she wasn't easily moved.

RobMc59 · 12-03-2019 02:35PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

well it looks like they've upped their game and are now licking stamps.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ira-london-bombs-letters-responsibility-glasgow-packages-a8818946.html

And what an own goal that is-sending bombs to Scotland!

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 02:59PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

And what an own goal that is-sending bombs to Scotland!

nothing new there sadly.

they were murdering their fellow countrymen/women & children not that long ago.
bunch of tossers.

12-03-2019 06:23PM

cgcsb wrote: »

For an extremist republican, the endangerment of lives would be incidental at worst or indeed the whole point of the plot.

In order to answer your question, let's make some assumptions:

-The letter devices are indeed the work of the IRA or similar group and not an
internal UK job or some random nutter.
-The goal is to send a warning to the UK government
-It is Brexit related

Assuming the above are true I would hypothesis that such a group would do better using their material (it's hard to get you cant just order pre made letter bombs off amazon). The offices of Borris, May and Rease Mog would be good targets, but likely to be heavily fortified. Getting it couriered to them while they are away from their home base for example when May was doing here 'Brexit Roadshow'. London is a security fortress with CCTV these days better to wait till these people leave it.

Alternatively the UK (incl. London) is defenceless against drone bombs. This could be a cheap option for example, you can buy them with cash these days, they even have night vision/heat signature cameras and can carry over 1KG, enough to deliver quite the scare to their homes at night.

The thing about terrorism is, it's a waste of effort if the decision makers/their constituents are not living in fear. Thatcher was an exception, there was a decent attempt made on her, but gosh darn her she wasn't easily moved.

I’d personally suggest that this group all assemble at the southern end of Dun Laoghaire’s west Pier and walk in a northerly direction for about two kilometres.

Billy86 · 12-03-2019 06:32PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

with any luck they'll ditch treesa and elect someone with the vision to push Brexit through as voted for by the people.

What is this vision exactly, with specifics please? Because for almost three years now it seems nobody -Brexiters themselves most of all seem to know what this "vision" is.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 08:18PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What is this vision exactly, with specifics please? Because for almost three years now it seems nobody -Brexiters themselves most of all seem to know what this "vision" is.

the UK is desperately lacking real leadership.
quite frankly they have become a laughing stock throughout the world, and it's probably good enough for them.

when they first tabled this whole Brexit idea, they never once gave a minutes thought for the 6 counties and the border. Now it's come back and bit them on the arse.
what a shambles.
treesa is possibly the worst leading UK politican i've ever witnessed. she's made an art-form out of incompetence and ineptitude.

what next after her defeat tonight? another meaningless vote?

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 09:29PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What is this vision exactly, with specifics please? Because for almost three years now it seems nobody -Brexiters themselves most of all seem to know what this "vision" is.

Seems their latest vision is to go back to the EU and re-negotiate the WA.

:D

janfebmar · 12-03-2019 09:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seems their latest vision is to go back to the EU and re-negotiate the WA. :D

At least talking and diplomacy are good if they want to leave the European Empire, which is what they voted for. Let us hope they leave in a few weeks and get it over with. The EU will have to learn to adapt to not getting the billions from the UK as it has every year since it joined in 1973.

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 09:39PM

janfebmar wrote: »

At least talking and diplomacy are good if they want to leave the European Empire, which is what they voted for. Let us hope they leave in a few weeks and get it over with. The EU will have to learn to adapt to not getting the billions from the UK as it has every year since it joined in 1973.

When Juncker on behalf of us all in the EU, told them to take the deal or get lost last night I think even the dullest Brexiteer should be able to work out that negotiations are over and that the EU are not that bothered about the UK money.

'We'll get over it' in other words.

janfebmar · 12-03-2019 09:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When Juncker on behalf of us all in the EU, told them to take the deal or get lost last night I think even the dullest Brexiteer should be able to work out that negotiations are over and that the EU are not that bothered about the UK money.

'We'll get over it' in other words.

It is quite obvious the British are trying to get the best deal possible to avoid disruption, as a hard border and no deal will be bad for everyone, but the EU are scared ****less and want to make things as difficult as possible for the UK to discourage others following them and leaving the EU.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 12-03-2019 09:46PM

they are now facing a straight choice WTO or No Brexit.

i told certain posters weeks ago, the WA was dead. they said it was the only deal in town. they were WRONG
the WA is DEAD, and has been for some time now.

treesa is dead! long live treesa!:D

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 09:53PM

janfebmar wrote: »

It is quite obvious the British are trying to get the best deal possible to avoid disruption, as a hard border and no deal will be bad for everyone, but the EU are scared ****less and want to make things as difficult as possible for the UK to discourage others following them and leaving the EU.

Is this the UK that can leave at any time they want?

janfebmar · 12-03-2019 10:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is this the UK that can leave at any time they want?

They cannot leave at 11.30 tonight or 6.42 tomorrow morning if that is what you mean?

Tomorrow they vote to accept or reject a no deal outcome. Pity the EU will not give the UK a deal that is acceptable, and are bullying them in to tomorrows vote.

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 10:07PM

janfebmar wrote: »

They cannot leave at 11.30 tonight or 6.42 tomorrow morning if that is what you mean?

Tomorrow they vote to accept or reject a no deal outcome. Pity the EU will not give the UK a deal that is acceptable, and are bullying them in to tomorrows vote.

A deal that is unacceptable to the more powerful entity was never going to happen. The UK has been shown it's place here, they should have realised it themselves.

Penfailed · 12-03-2019 10:09PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Tomorrow they vote to accept or reject a no deal outcome. Pity the EU will not give the UK a deal that is acceptable, and are bullying them in to tomorrows vote.

It's not bullying. It's preserving the 'four pillars' of the EU.

janfebmar · 12-03-2019 10:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A deal that is unacceptable to the more powerful entity was never going to happen.

It shows what the EU thinks of us when they would prefer have a hard border rather than a soft border, just to show the UK its place.
I suppose its not the first time the EU has shafted Ireland and pulled one over our politicians, look at the bank bailout for example.

FrancieBrady · 12-03-2019 10:16PM

janfebmar wrote: »

It shows what the EU thinks of us when they would prefer have a hard border rather than a soft border, just to show the UK its place.
I suppose its not the first time the EU has shafted Ireland and pulled one over our politicians, look at the bank bailout for example.

The silliest part of this opinion of yours is that the if the EU undermined itself to give a leaving country what it wanted there would also be a hard border in Ireland.

Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

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