Micky Jackson in trouble again

Boggles · 09-03-2019 12:53PM

The Jackson trial was a huge earner for the media, they actual stood to lose a substantial amount of potential earnings if he were found not guilty.

I think it was the head of CNN at time was quoted with saying something similar.

It really was a frenzy that generated millions in advertising for the networks and tabloids.

KikiLaRue · 09-03-2019 12:59PM

Boggles wrote: »

The Jackson trial was a huge earner for the media, they actual stood to lose a substantial amount of potential earnings if he were found not guilty.

I think it was the head of CNN at time was quoted with saying something similar.

It really was a frenzy that generated millions in advertising for the networks and tabloids.

How much time have you dedicated to defending someone who’s behaviour is at best suspicious and inappropriate?

Have you thought about getting some fresh air over the weekend?

fin12 · 09-03-2019 01:00PM

Anyone who believes these two guys must be extremely naive and gullible.

KikiLaRue · 09-03-2019 01:02PM

fin12 wrote: »

Anyone who believes these two guys must be extremely naive and gullible.

I’d say the same about anyone who thinks MJ is completely innocent.

sligeach · 09-03-2019 01:05PM

Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.

Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/ay42cx/a_condensed_version_of_the_major_credibility/

Just another couple of points proving they're liars. They should keep talking, the more they say, the more their case keeps crumbling before our very eyes.

Boggles · 09-03-2019 01:06PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

How much time have you dedicated to defending someone who’s behaviour is at best suspicious and inappropriate?

Have you thought about getting some fresh air over the weekend?

40% of your entire posting history is about Michael Jackson.

:pac:

is_that_so · 09-03-2019 01:07PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I’d say the same about anyone who thinks MJ is completely innocent.

Hmm. So another I'm right you're stupid post? Thank God for legal systems! Mostly keeps the crazies and inherently biased away from making verdict calls.

sabat · 09-03-2019 01:07PM

sligeach wrote: »

Utter nonsense. The media are a disgrace. They've condemned Michael Jackson with very few outlets questioning the mockumentary. They've been like this for decades.

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But the version of "Michael Jackson" that exists in your head is purely a function of "the media" too, unless you actually met him.
Look back at his videos and films-how many of them attribute to him magic or supernatural abilities or present him as a persecuted messiah/saviour figure? I would posit that a lot of this has lodged somewhere in the brains of his fans, causing them to think irrationally.

ToBeFrank123 · 09-03-2019 01:09PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

I’d say the same about anyone who thinks MJ is completely innocent.

All people seek is hard evidence in the place of 2 proven liars. Not too much to ask?
These guys lied repeatedly before. So we're to believe they are now telling the truth? And to say this isn't about money is the biggest lie of all.

is_that_so · 09-03-2019 01:09PM

fin12 wrote: »

Anyone who believes these two guys must be extremely naive and gullible.

As is this one.

KikiLaRue · 09-03-2019 01:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

40% of your entire posting history is about Michael Jackson.

:pac:

Which is what, 10 posts? Have a look at your own posting history. It’s got to be in the hundreds.

sligeach · 09-03-2019 01:12PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Don’t attack me. You should focus your anger and attentions on How vile MJ was and how he and his pathetic family attempted to hide the truth for decades

Didn't attack you and you're deflecting.

sligeach wrote: »

Tell us how you really feel You and retro:electro should get along very well. Have you got proof to backup your inflammatory post about Michael's family?

sligeach wrote: »

No, it's not "pretty much accepted that he was abused by MJ for years". Proof?

You can't just spout out inflammatory crap like that without proof and walk away. You will remain a liar until you answer those 2 questions with proof.

Boggles · 09-03-2019 01:14PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Which is what, 10 posts? Have a look at your own posting history. It’s got to be in the hundreds.

37 now I think out 90.

That is quite obsessive, maybe you need some air.

Anyway, as you were.

PokeHerKing · 09-03-2019 01:15PM

I don't think the money angle is the smoking gun it's made out to be. If I was abused by somebody I'd look to be compensated financially. It is what it is, it can't turn back the clock but it's something tangible at least.

Victims of clerical sex abuse fought and received compensation so I don't see a problem with it. If a billionaire punched me I'd take a million over him getting some community service.

I'm a big Mj fan and while I always thought he was a bit off the amount of young boys he took under his wing the way he did over the years is at the very least odd. This documentary just shines a light on it more than there ever has been in the past imo.

Anyone who can't even admit or agree to that is not worth debating with. It's blind fanatical zealousness. I'd liken it to the portion of religious zealots who still don't believe any of the scandles surrounding the Catholic Church.

KikiLaRue · 09-03-2019 01:16PM

Boggles wrote: »

37 now I think out 90.

That is quite obsessive, maybe you need some air.

Anyway, as you were.

Did you count yours?

I honestly couldn’t be arsed to trawl through your profile...

Boggles · 09-03-2019 01:22PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I don't think the money angle is the smoking gun it's made out to be. If I was abused by somebody I'd look to be compensated financially. It is what it is, it can't turn back the clock but it's something tangible at least.

What if you were abused, but the rapist was 100% facilitated by people who snared you and handed you to the rapist, these people are still alive, walking around freely. The rapist is dead.

When you realized what happened to you. Would You?

A. Try write a book about it
B. Sue in a sealed lawsuit, and keep suing in further lawsuits.
C. Go on every network that will have you and make a "documentary"
D. Go to the police, make a criminal statement and get those fookers on trial.

Wade has done A, B and C.

Personally if it were me, straight to D.

sligeach · 09-03-2019 01:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

What if you were abused, but the rapist was 100% facilitated by people who snared you and handed you to the rapist, these people are still alive, walking around freely. The rapist is dead.

When you realized what happened to you. Would You?

A. Try write a book about it
B. Sue in a sealed lawsuit, and keep suing in further lawsuits.
C. Go on every network that will have you and make a "documentary"
D. Go to the police, make a criminal statement and get those fookers on trial.

Wade has done A, B and C.

Personally if it were me, straight to D.

The police don't pay money, though they sometimes accept it.

PokeHerKing · 09-03-2019 01:30PM

Boggles wrote:

Personally if it were me, straight to D.

In a normal situation like being abused by a teacher or an uncle that's the obvious answer. When it's one of the biggest pop stars possibly ever to live. Then it's probably much less effective.

Im not convinced either way after the doc. But it's shone a light on MJ that wouldn't have otherwise been shone. I think time will tell. This will either snowball and more victims will come forward or it will be just be these two men telling a story.

For my childhood memories I hope MJ is innocent but I can't comprehend anyone who thinks his actions aren't even slightly suspect in this day and age.

Boggles · 09-03-2019 01:35PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

In a normal situation like being abused by a teacher or an uncle that's the obvious answer. When it's one of the biggest pop stars possibly ever to live. Then it's probably much less effective.

I'm not taking about an uncle, or teacher or superstar (he is dead).

These are "normal" people who should be indicted for their very serious alleged crimes, they should be put on trial and evidence against them tested and if found guilty they should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

As the criminal allegations are cross state and effectively world wide, then it falls into the remit of the FBI.

Which essentially is the United States of America with basically unlimited funds.

So it's not just one small guy trying to fight "the power" on his own.

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Im not convinced either way after the doc. But it's shone a light on MJ that wouldn't have otherwise been shone. I think time will tell. This will either snowball and more victims will come forward or it will be just be these two men telling a story.

This has been going on for nearly 6 years.

The light has been well and truly shun, it's been thrown of court as a pack of complete lies.

joe40 · 09-03-2019 01:37PM

Michael Jackson's legacy is in tatters and it is due to his own actions. Surrounding himself with children, a grown man sleeping with children. This is not normal behaviour. There is no talk of mental illness with Jackson so this was a competent adult behaving in this way.

Western society including Ireland has matured a lot in our response to child protection, child grooming and the long term effects of abuse.
In this light Jackson's behaviour can only be viewed as extremely worrying and dangerous.
At the time his fans did not want to question his behaviour, just dismissed it as a bit odd. This attitude is still the default for some, but rest of the world is waking up.

PokeHerKing · 09-03-2019 01:39PM

Boggles wrote:

This has been going on for nearly 6 years.

Boggles wrote:

The light has been well and truly shun, it's been thrown of court as a pack of complete lies.

No the light of public opinion was not shone. Only people extremely invested in MJ would have known about the last 6 years. This has now reached the masses and asked a lot of questions.

Time will tell imo.

Boggles · 09-03-2019 01:48PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Only people extremely invested in MJ would have known about the last 6 years.

You mean like the people you muse were molested and may come forward?

Robson has given multiple television and tabloid interviews since 2013, this was huge news.

Also according to deposition Robson tried to bully people to come forward, but they were having none of it, apparently they have named 2 individuals in the "documentary" as been also molested. One of those individuals is potentially going to sue. Law suits are going in their direction, at some stage like I have previously said they will have to repeat their claims again not under soft lighting with multiple takes, but under oath.

By any measurement it is not going well for them.

Hannibal_Smith · 09-03-2019 01:51PM

Can any one say that they know 100% he is innocent?

Can anyone say that they know 100% he is guilty?

Without being 100% certain on either answer, you are either:-

- disbelieving people who endured horrific experiences at the hands of Jackson and leaving them to suffer

- labelling an innocent man with the most heinous of titles for no justification

You can weigh it out and form an opinion...but without knowing for sure you're endanger of ruining someone or someones name.

I wish it was Theroux who interviewed him and not Bashir...he'd have gotten to the bottom of it.

In a way im glad the music is being stopped and Simpson's episode pulled. It might put a bit of pressure on the Jackson family and show them that they're not untouchable. And you never know..they might feel compelled to give something more.

Surely some lawyer somewhere can find a loophole in the Chandler settlement so he can speak out!

KikiLaRue · 09-03-2019 01:52PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No the light of public opinion was not shone. Only people extremely invested in MJ would have known about the last 6 years. This has now reached the masses and asked a lot of questions.

Time will tell imo.

Most of the people who could provide answers signed NDAs and/or non-disparagement clauses that prevent them from speaking out.

The Jackson Estate is aggressively pursuing HBO because of a non-disparagement clause they signed for a concert in the early 90s that had nothing to do with this.

The truth will out, but most wont speak out until the end of their lives when the Jackson’s lawyers won’t have the power to financially ruin them
and drag their names through the mud.

PokeHerKing · 09-03-2019 01:55PM

Boggles wrote:

Robson has given multiple television and tabloid interviews since 2013, this was huge news.

I don't remember seeing multiple threads on boards, reddit, twitter or other social media. I don't remember seeing news coverage in Ireland/UK about it.

So our definition huge differs. As I said I'm sceptical of it all. I'm sceptical of MJs behaviour throughout his career and I'm sceptical of the documentary.

innuendo141 · 09-03-2019 02:13PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I don't remember seeing multiple threads on boards, reddit, twitter or other social media. I don't remember seeing news coverage in Ireland/UK about it.

So our definition huge differs. As I said I'm sceptical of it all. I'm sceptical of MJs behaviour throughout his career and I'm sceptical of the documentary.

Exactly, everyone should be sceptical of everything here.

innuendo141 · 09-03-2019 02:14PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Can any one say that they know 100% he is innocent?

Can anyone say that they know 100% he is guilty?

Without being 100% certain on either answer, you are either:-

- disbelieving people who endured horrific experiences at the hands of Jackson and leaving them to suffer

- labelling an innocent man with the most heinous of titles for no justification

You can weigh it out and form an opinion...but without knowing for sure you're endanger of ruining someone or someones name.

I wish it was Theroux who interviewed him and not Bashir...he'd have gotten to the bottom of it.

In a way im glad the music is being stopped and Simpson's episode pulled. It might put a bit of pressure on the Jackson family and show them that they're not untouchable. And you never know..they might feel compelled to give something more.

Surely some lawyer somewhere can find a loophole in the Chandler settlement so he can speak out!

Chandler can actually say what he likes, he just refuses to speak about it. There's no NDA involved.

fin12 · 09-03-2019 02:19PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No the light of public opinion was not shone. Only people extremely invested in MJ would have known about the last 6 years. This has now reached the masses and asked a lot of questions.

Time will tell imo.

Ah hello it was the same after the Martin Bashir documentary. This is nothing new, just another scandalous piece of trash to get ratings.

Boggles · 09-03-2019 02:19PM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Most of the people who could provide answers signed NDAs and/or non-disparagement clauses that prevent them from speaking out.

NDAs don't prevent people from giving evidence in court or depositions.

Also who are "most of the people who could provide answers"? Names?

Boggles · 09-03-2019 02:22PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

In a way im glad the music is being stopped and Simpson's episode pulled. It might put a bit of pressure on the Jackson family and show them that they're not untouchable. And you never know..they might feel compelled to give something more.

Yeah, the problem with that though is it was the Jackson estate that essentially made this public, citing they would not be extorted by 2 liars.

Look at it this way, if it were the 'most sophisticated paedo ring in the history of the world', surely keeping Wade sweet with some work and money would be the most prudent thing to do?

Micky Jackson in trouble again

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