Micky Jackson in trouble again

Boggles

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah right.

Just catching up with this thread and the two lads being called liars.

The 2 lads are being called liars because they have been caught telling lies.

Robsons own mother stated that her son could win an Oscar for lying.

He described himself as "the master of deception".

8-10

Necro wrote: »

Both I think, the civil settlement meant the claims were dropped for the criminal case.

Convenient that.

False

Civil case was filed ahead of a criminal one. When it's literally always usually the other way around. It shouldn't have been allowed. Why would you do it like that?

If only we could ask Evan Chandler

innuendo141

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Ah right.

Just catching up with this thread and the two lads being called liars. Is that in relation to the sexual acts? And all the other things they say are true, ie the number of nights they spent in a bedroom unsupervised with only him.

... There's a lot to go back over TBH. Serious credibility issues as they've been caught lying and changing their stories several times in the past. The last few pages cover it mostly. My biggest gripe is that none of their shady history was included. You cant be expected to 100% believe people that have lied in previous legal proceedings. But because this wasn't presented in the film, many wont know, and therefore have no issues with their credibility.

hetuzozaho

Boggles wrote: »

The 2 lads are being called liars because they have been caught telling lies.

Ah cool.. So they lied before the documentary. So the accusations are not necessarily related to what they said in the doc.

I was hoping the sleeping in his bedroom unsupervised was a lie. And proven to be.

innuendo141

8-10 wrote: »

False

Civil case was filed ahead of a criminal one. When it's literally always usually the other way around. It shouldn't have been allowed. Why would you do it like that?

If only we could ask Evan Chandler

Civil cases are easier to win. Didnt he try to extort 10 million before the civil thing was brought forward?

joe40

hetuzozaho wrote: »

innuendo141 wrote: »

According to the parents and kids at the very least, regarding hotel rooms. And they had no problems. Mental to think that today.

So none of the talk(by the two guys in doc) of him sleeping in hotel rooms or in his home bedroom, unsupervised with the children, is confirmed by the Jackson side?

Jackson himself admitted to sleeping with the kids

hetuzozaho

innuendo141 wrote: »

... There's a lot to go back over TBH. Serious credibility issues as they've been caught lying and changing their stories several times in the past. The last few pages cover it mostly. My biggest gripe is that none of their shady history was included. You cant be expected to 100% believe people that have lied in previous legal proceedings. But because this wasn't presented in the film, many wont know, and therefore have no issues with their credibility.

Yeah I'm not even getting into the claims of abuse bit yet.. I was just curious of the truth behind the number of nights he spent in bed with children.

Trying to process this bit by bit ha

hetuzozaho

joe40 wrote: »

Jackson himself admitted to sleeping with the kids

That's mad i think. This probably sounds crazy but is there no law against something like that at all? I just would have assumed. Regardless of laws though, what in the?! Their story is crazy even if we remove the masturbation and oral sex. Why did the Jackson family allow it if they knew Michael was not properly matured. Those kids in the doc were not treated properly by anyone involved. Regardless of abuse actually happening or not.

Necro

hetuzozaho wrote:

I was hoping the sleeping in his bedroom unsupervised was a lie. And proven to be.

That's documented as fact by Jackson himself prior to his death. When challenged about it people were described as 'ignorant'

joe40

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/michael-jacksons-bizarre-2003-documentary-the-clues-we-all-ignored/news-story/156f22e4b15e73997d8e899e4acb9073

Interesting newspaper article.

Galwayguy35

Corey Feldman seems to be having his doubts about Jackson now as well saying he can no longer defend him.

hetuzozaho

Necro wrote: »

That's documented as fact by Jackson himself prior to his death. When challenged about it people were described as 'ignorant'

Shocking stuff isn't it.

Just from watching the doc, and if the sexual abuse is the lie, I still feel everyone let those kids down anyway. Their parents, Michael and the Jacksons. 7 yrs old! Who knows what happened behind those doors, or what could have happened.

And the thoughts of IF something happened and people not believing them, and those kids started the journey at 7...i dunno.

hetuzozaho

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Corey Feldman seems to be having his doubts about Jackson now as well saying he can no longer defend him.

Why does anyone feel they need to defend him?
How could they know what happened behind a closed bedroom door? Why close the bedroom door....

BorneTobyWilde

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Corey Feldman seems to be having his doubts about Jackson now as well saying he can no longer defend him.

That's a twisting of words. What tabloids do to sell papers.
He very much said Jackson never did anything to him, but he supports victims of abuse to have a voice in general.

robwen

Have the 2 guys offered or being asked to take a polygraph over their accusations? Did MJ ever take or decline a polygraph over the accusations against him?

Galwayguy35

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Why does anyone feel they need to defend him?
How could they know what happened behind a closed bedroom door? Why close the bedroom door....

Misplaced loyalty to a manipulative individual who used his fame to get close to children.

hetuzozaho

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Corey Feldman seems to be having his doubts about Jackson now as well saying he can no longer defend him.

Just read his quotes. Makes sense. He wasn't abused. But he ain't ruling out the others being abused.

hetuzozaho

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Misplaced loyalty to a manipulative individual who used his fame to get close to children.

Of course. It's fascinating.
Like these kind of things happen within family units. It's horrible. Actually the set up Jackson had would even be odd within a family unit with other rooms available.

The defending from people so far removed from the situation is interesting to read.

And I'm still just on the sleeping arrangements haha

Beechwoodspark

Jackson’s “defenders” will be sad to learn that RTÉ have joined other broadcasters in taking his rubbish music off their schedules.

Proper order

He’s been thrown into the trash can of history.

Hopefully his no good pathetic family who protected him and enabled further abuse, are destroyed over this.

RederthanRed

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Jackson’s “defenders” will be sad to learn that RTÉ have joined other broadcasters in taking his rubbish music off their schedules.

RTE? Yeah that will kill 'em alright

innuendo141

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Jackson’s “defenders” will be sad to learn that RTÉ have joined other broadcasters in taking his rubbish music off their schedules.

Proper order

He’s been thrown into the trash can of history.

Hopefully his no good pathetic family who protected him and enabled further abuse, are destroyed over this.

This poll suggests otherwise. Surprising.

Poll: Will you still listen to Michael Jackson's music following the allegations made against him? https://jrnl.ie/4532107

sligeach

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Jackson’s “defenders” will be sad to learn that RTÉ have joined other broadcasters in taking his rubbish music off their schedules.

Proper order

He’s been thrown into the trash can of history.

Hopefully his no good pathetic family who protected him and enabled further abuse, are destroyed over this.

Great objectivity.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Jackson and his music have been thrown into the dustbin of history.

Shame on his family for enabling and protecting him for so long in the futile hope they’d make money out of it.

Shame on the fans who knowingly condone his disgusting behaviour.

Janet Jackson and his pathetic brothers should all be boycotted.

Dirty dirty bastards all.

You're a broken record with an undeniable and biased hatred of Michael and his family.

I'm still waiting for the answers to my questions, liar.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Don’t attack me. You should focus your anger and attentions on How vile MJ was and how he and his pathetic family attempted to hide the truth for decades

Oh calm down and have a Pepsi Cola will ya.

wobatkicker23

I am getting sick of this rewriting history with today’s standards of behavior.

Sure it probably wouldn’t be accepted today but the 00s were a different time. No one would have thought twice about a middle-aged man sleeping with 10 year old kids in his bedroom.

Let’s not apply today’s standards to history.

micks_address

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Jackson’s “defenders” will be sad to learn that RTÉ have joined other broadcasters in taking his rubbish music off their schedules.

Proper order

He’s been thrown into the trash can of history.

Hopefully his no good pathetic family who protected him and enabled further abuse, are destroyed over this.

Rubbish music?

ceadaoin.

PokeHerKing wrote: »

I don't remember seeing multiple threads on boards, reddit, twitter or other social media. I don't remember seeing news coverage in Ireland/UK about it.

So our definition huge differs. As I said I'm sceptical of it all. I'm sceptical of MJs behaviour throughout his career and I'm sceptical of the documentary.

I don't remember seeing anything about any of this until this documentary was coming out, and I live in the US. I know Robson did some interviews but I didn't see them

People are concentrating on Robson because it's easier to tear him down, he's been in the public eye for a while. If you're an MJ fan you'd certainly be aware of him and his career. What about Safechuck? Can he be dismissed so easily?

is_that_so

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Jackson’s “defenders” will be sad to learn that RTÉ have joined other broadcasters in taking his rubbish music off their schedules.

Proper order

He’s been thrown into the trash can of history.

Hopefully his no good pathetic family who protected him and enabled further abuse, are destroyed over this.

No jury duty for you! Evah!

wakka12

wobatkicker23 wrote: »

I am getting sick of this rewriting history with today’s standards of behavior.

Sure it probably wouldn’t be accepted today but the 00s were a different time. No one would have thought twice about a middle-aged man sleeping with 10 year old kids in his bedroom.

Let’s not apply today’s standards to history.

What are you on about a middle aged man sleeping a child that wasnt their own was never considered normal

Anyway its the people who actually experienced this that are accusing him of sexual abuse , nothing to do with todays standards

Galwayguy35

wobatkicker23 wrote: »

I am getting sick of this rewriting history with today’s standards of behavior.

Sure it probably wouldn’t be accepted today but the 00s were a different time. No one would have thought twice about a middle-aged man sleeping with 10 year old kids in his bedroom.

Let’s not apply today’s standards to history.

I hope you're not being serious.

This has to be a wind up post.

terryduff12

Will they be banning Elvis presley music also he liked them young, he met Priscilla Presley when she was 14.