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San Francisco is a ****hole.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭Ultros


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Trump gave billions in tax breaks to himself and his friends so i guess you are ok with that? Amazon generated $11.2 billion in profit in 2018 and the us taxpayer paid them $129 million in tax rebate...if you want to know what wrong with America that there sums it up

    Should those successful people making a lot of money be taxed 100% or something? The top 1% in the US pay more in taxes than the bottom 90% combined. The bottom 50% pay 3 percent.

    What part of that is unfair to you, unless you're a communist of course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    OP, if you think San Francisco is that bad, you should hop across the Bay to Oakland, where I live!

    In all seriousness though, you bring up salient points that are huge issues in every election here. The housing and homelessness crises are top of mind for everyone in the Bay Area. Some people have pointed out that SF doesn't "criminalize" homeless and that is a part of it. It's also not illegal to be mentally ill and off your medication as long as you aren't a threat to yourself or others (and you aren't a threat until a crime has happened, basically).

    And then there's housing. A lot of people want to live in SF, which pushes demand through the roof all over the bay. A lot of people live with multiple roommates and/or spend a good chunk of their income on rent alone. But it's been growing at a pace that simply isn't sustainable long term. The housing market has tapered off a little in the past few years. I personally think the US economy will downtown shortly and am interested in the effect that has on SF (especially if some of these SF-based companies like Uber and Lyft - which haven't yet made profits - going public). 81% of US companies that went public last year were unprofitable the year before. The last time we saw numbers like that was in 2000, the year the dot-com bubble burst. The situations aren't entirely comparable, but it's an interesting piece of data to think about.

    The truth is, it's a complicated situation that has little to do with liberal or conservative politics (insofar as both parties would fvck this up, just in different ways). It also might help to remember that SF has a history of extreme booms followed by extreme busts. And also earthquakes.

    (and for the record, I enjoy living here. There are problems, but there's more opportunity for me here than there was in Florida, which is dominated by conservative politics. In Florida, you're lucky to make much above the minimum wage standard with few benefits, and while housing is a little less expensive, it doesn't even out compared to wages. I couldn't afford a one bedroom apartment on my own while I lived in FL. Here, I make far above minimum wage, can afford my own place and have a 401k that matches 200% of my contributions. I can save over 100K every 5 years, so hopefully when the time comes, I can move somewhere cheaper and enjoy my retirement. That's really why you come here - make your money, then go somewhere else).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 210 ✭✭Ted Johnson


    How is it liberal progress?

    Went from being an industrial powerhouse to an unlivable ****hole.

    The Mogadishu of the West.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Ultros wrote:
    Should those successful people making a lot of money be taxed 100% or something? The top 1% in the US pay more in taxes than the bottom 90% combined. The bottom 50% pay 3 percent.


    Hahahahahaha!

    How much of that success is from 'unearned income'?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,388 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Listen.. this isn't about Obama or Trump, this is about years of mismanagement of resources.

    I am sick to death of politicians spouting crap and doing NOTHING to assist people (not just in America but worldwide) Hell, Ireland has a major homelessness issue also.

    Until people start to think of homelessness in terms of people, instead of a statistic, then nothing will be achieved.

    The money is there, the will is not and neither is the help required for millions of people who suffer mental issues, addiction issues and have just fallen on hard times.

    One man I met in LA left a lasting impression. I was having a smoke and finished it. He was sitting beside me and despite having NOTHING (which was obvious) offered me a smoke. We chatted for about an hour... obviously it could have been BS but I doubt it. We shared some smokes (ciggies not the weed) and when I was being picked up by my colleague I left him a pack and wished him well. The man was obviously intelligent, articulate and extremely lonely. He was invisible. No one should be invisible.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Went from being an industrial powerhouse to an unlivable ****hole.

    The Mogadishu of the West.

    It was actually known as the 'Paris of the West' in the 1920s.

    It was renowned for it's beautiful architecture.

    Their biggest problem was putting all their eggs in one basket re the automotive industry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Why should it be? 400 million+ people and you expect wealth somehow to be spread evenly. What utopian paradise you must have living in your mind


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    MayoSalmon wrote:
    Why should it be? 400 million+ people and you expect wealth somehow to be spread evenly. What utopian paradise you must have living on your mind


    Rising inequality creates a more stable society by.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭kyote00


    There is also a massive opioid problem that eventually leads to crystal meth/herion as cheaper options...


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    n't.

    The problems of homelessness in the US may be caused by Neo-liberalism but they manifest in liberal cities.

    Yes, because before Neo-Liberalism there was zero homeless in the US and the world....

    How can people honestly state such ideologically motivated white lies?

    SF is arguably the most liberal and progressive city in the US, the city and its residents could just tax themselves more to help sort out the issues at hand?

    LOL, everyone is a socialist until they are asked to front up and pay their dues.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    There is a clear correlation between the blue states having worse homeless issues than red states.

    redstatesversusbluestateshomelessness.jpg

    Good blog read here on the factors.
    http://www.willisms.com/archives/2014/03/homelessness_in.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Why should it be? 400 million+ people and you expect wealth somehow to be spread evenly. What utopian paradise you must have living in your mind

    No-one is saying it should all be equal. That's communism. And even that wasn't equal. However it shouldn't be as unbalanced.
    å
    The USA is one of the most, if not the most, unbalanced society ever.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/aracheology-wealth-inequality-180968072/

    As for utopian paradise? How about 50 years ago. Or 60 years ago? The fact is that to see a bore equal society we only have to look back a few decades.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    NSAman wrote: »
    Listen.. this isn't about Obama or Trump, this is about years of mismanagement of resources.

    I am sick to death of politicians spouting crap and doing NOTHING to assist people (not just in America but worldwide) Hell, Ireland has a major homelessness issue also.

    Until people start to think of homelessness in terms of people, instead of a statistic, then nothing will be achieved.

    The money is there, the will is not and neither is the help required for millions of people who suffer mental issues, addiction issues and have just fallen on hard times.

    One man I met in LA left a lasting impression. I was having a smoke and finished it. He was sitting beside me and despite having NOTHING (which was obvious) offered me a smoke. We chatted for about an hour... obviously it could have been BS but I doubt it. We shared some smokes (ciggies not the weed) and when I was being picked up by my colleague I left him a pack and wished him well. The man was obviously intelligent, articulate and extremely lonely. He was invisible. No one should be invisible.

    Look.up invisible people on YouTube.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭maninasia


    markodaly wrote: »
    There is a clear correlation between the blue states having worse homeless issues than red states.

    redstatesversusbluestateshomelessness.jpg

    Good blog read here on the factors.
    http://www.willisms.com/archives/2014/03/homelessness_in.html

    You know what I see?
    A national homelessness problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Ultros wrote: »
    Should those successful people making a lot of money be taxed 100% or something? The top 1% in the US pay more in taxes than the bottom 90% combined. The bottom 50% pay 3 percent.

    What part of that is unfair to you, unless you're a communist of course.

    Everyone should pay their fair share. Amazon paid zero tax last year and got nearly $130 million in tax back despite making over $11 billion in revenue. The guy making minimum wage flipping burgers in McDonald's paid more in tax last year than Amazon. Maybe you think that's fair, I don't.

    Per capita the bottom 90% pay far more in taxes than the top 1%. That's why the richest in us society keep getting richer while wages for everyone else have flatlined since the 80's. The Republicans trickle down economics has been a complete disaster

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,115 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Little bit anecdotal but I know a good few people who live and work in SF. A really good mate of mine from school got a job a few years ago with a massive Tech firm, and ended up moving to Seoul about 5 years ago with them.

    Sometime last year they offered him a promotion, a huge pay rise and an offer to move to the SF office and work with the key developer team. They gave him a few weeks to think about it.

    Long story short, he spoke to colleagues working in the SF office, spent a week out there and ended up turning the job down. Even with the pay rise he'd end up losing cash, largely due to the sheer cost of rent in the city. He'd have to pay for a 2bed apartment for himself, his wife and kid and was looking at thousands per month for a place smaller than he had, in a crappy neighbourhood.

    SF has been overtaken by these massive tech companies that can afford to pay their staff massive wages which lead to mass homelessness and housing issues.

    Like what seems to be happening in Dublin at the moment?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    rob316 wrote: »
    I was there once after coming from Vegas and I flew back to Vegas early, couldn't wait to get out of there. So expensive, filthy, unacceptable levels of homelessness, windy and I found the people in general fairly unfriendly.

    It's got some cool, interesting parts but you really see the poverty divide there.

    But yet you enjoyed Vegas?
    I suppose they do a much better job of hiding poverty in Vegas at the end of the day, don't want it upsetting a tourist after all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    and what do they? they vote in a corrupt multi billionaire ego-maniac

    will they ever learn

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    fryup wrote:
    and what do they? they vote in a corrupt multi billionaire ego-maniac


    We vote in questionable characters as well, it's also important to note, as Joe Stiglitz would say, their voting system resembles a 'one dollar, one vote' approach


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    The American dream has long died in certain specialties parts of the US. Hartford, Detroit, East St louis. These are sh1t holes akin to third world countries, where crime drugs poverty are the way of life. More people killed in Chicago than in Iraq.
    The US is f ucked.

    And yet were aspiring to be just like them


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,838 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    And yet were aspiring to be just like them


    We're not really, just aspects of our society is, thankfully some people are waking up to the fact the neoliberal/neoclassical model is dying a death


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Travelled there years ago as part of a 6 month trip I did to the states, the level of poverty was staggering, emaciated people eating food from bins etc, It’s always stayed with me, Memphis was actually the most impoverished place I’d visited, almost third world like just around the corner from a very famous hotel. I know we have our problems here with homelessness etc but it’s in a different stratosphere over there, I loved my time there but the gulf between the have and have nots is enormous


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    fryup wrote: »
    and what do they? they vote in a corrupt multi billionaire ego-maniac

    will they ever learn

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    Well Clinton got 3 million more votes. A Republican has only won popular vote once since 92 but they will do everything in their power to stay in power at all costs. Problem in the states is there has been no left and really no centre since the Dems starting acting like Republicans in the early 1990s...that in turn moved the Republicans even further to the right

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Saw lots of homelessness in SF. What was also unusual was well dressed people begging. A guy on an iphone and a leather tommy hilfinger jacket asked me for change to buy a coffee.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 612 ✭✭✭KevinCavan


    Aww this thread really upsets me.

    I've never been to the US before and finally heading there for the very first time this summer and decided to pick San Francisco as my first American city. Been saving up for it for a few months now.

    People bad mouth SF but I look into considering LA instead people moan about that saying its souless, has no real city centre. I look at Vegas and people call that fake, overrated, tacky etc.

    It seems like every city in the US is hated one way or another.

    I can vouch for New York, an amazing city for any tourist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    I have two Brazilians friends that shared house with me in Ireland that are in USA, one in San Francisco working as uber driver and making 5.000 U$ by month, living in a good area and sharing house only 1 other person. The other living in Atlanta and making 350 U$ a day doing tilling. Both illegals. I know many others that used to live there but were deported, and did come here because was easier to enter. I think the problem with homeless is more to do with drugs than with economy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    markodaly wrote: »
    Yes, because before Neo-Liberalism there was zero homeless in the US and the world....

    There was less. And of course that’s a straw man argument since I never claimed homelessness never existed before neo liberalism - just that these policies in the rest of the US manifested in SF because homeless people migrated there. However read on....
    How can people honestly state such ideologically motivated white lies?

    As an ideologue yourself every factual statement that’s upsets your cult enrages you. I remember factually saying workers had it better in terms of wage increases in the 70s and got an amazing number of goal post moving mouth frothing replies, none of which invalidated my claim. As a scientist myself I find this inability to be swayed by the evidence extremely disturbing.
    SF is arguably the most liberal and progressive city in the US, the city and its residents could just tax themselves more to help sort out the issues at hand?

    LOL, everyone is a socialist until they are asked to front up and pay their dues.

    You are confusing liberalism with socialism. Had the red mist not descended because your religion of neoliberalism was criticised, however mildly, and you had read my next post then you would I criticised the natives of SF for their extreme Nimbyism.

    And I am not going to do something you will never do, but I am an empiricist not a ideologue. Some guy earlier pointed out that many or most of the SF homeless are now locals, people from SF turfed out because of higher rents. I know this wasn’t the case before, when I lived there, but the number of homeless has increased, most of it endogenous. The responsibility for that lies with the SF supervisors and council members, as well as the well heeled (and indeed liberal) locals who oppose buildings that increase the density of their neighbourhood, or harm their view (as they necessarily must).

    This might be US style liberalism but it isn’t socialism - socialism would be building lots of housing, compulsory purchases or buying of tracts of land for private builders, opposing nimbyism etc but San Francisco isn’t socialist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Calltocall wrote: »
    Travelled there years ago as part of a 6 month trip I did to the states, the level of poverty was staggering, emaciated people eating food from bins etc, It’s always stayed with me, Memphis was actually the most impoverished place I’d visited, almost third world like just around the corner from a very famous hotel. I know we have our problems here with homelessness etc but it’s in a different stratosphere over there, I loved my time there but the gulf between the have and have nots is enormous

    One of the amazing things for me when I lived there was how this all faded into the background. Left wing locals never noticed it but did support whatever was left wing fashion at the time. Upper middle class women were oppressed by the patriarchy as they walked every day over the homeless on their way to work, mostly these homeless were male.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Interesting wiki article on San Francisco’s homeless problem here.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_San_Francisco_Bay_Area

    Turns out the problem did in fact start in the late 70s and early 80s, which does in fact implicate the new economic system at the time.

    Also San Francisco has alternated between helping the homeless and trying to harass them - at one stage there was a military operation to clear the golden gate park of a 1000 person encampment.

    Interesting fact in there: In San Francisco, a minimum wage worker would have to work approximately 4.7 full-time jobs to be able to rent a two-bedroom apartment..


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There are no two ways about the fact that San Francisco (in particular) or the surrounding area (in general) is not the same as it used to be. After living in the Bay Area (SF City, San Jose, Danville and Dublin) for 18 years, I finally upped stakes and joined the Great California Exodus. When a full 40%+ of a region are actively considering leaving, there's obviously something amiss. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/03/nearly-half-of-bay-area-residents-say-they-want-to-leave/ My parents lived there in the 1970s, they were absolutely stunned when they went back in the mid 2000s.

    Perhaps it's partially a matter of age. What's important to you when you're 25 isn't what's important to you when you're 45. When you're young, free with hope and ambition, you'll be happy enough to pay ridiculous money to live with other folks and walk around human feces and needles. When you're looking to raise a couple of kids, suddenly the San Francisco environment is utterly unacceptable. Four months into Texas, and I miss two things. The variety of scenery which was within driving distance of the Bay Area, and it must be said that the locals here have no idea what good Asian food tastes like. (On the other hand, European countries are better represented). That's it. My quality of life here has shot up, I should have moved ages ago.

    What the poster said above about BART is absolutely correct. Nothing says welcome to San Francisco as accurately as getting onto the BART train at SFO, and realising that the reason that part of the car is empty is due to the malodorous homeless man sleeping on the bench seat. It is starting to affect the city's tourism and convention scenes, people and conventions are staying away. Democrats want to host the 2020 national convention in SF, Republicans also want them to host it in SF, but as an example of what happens if you vote Democrat. At the State line here in TX, there are billboards: "Welcome to Texas. Don't vote for what you just fled". And, as mentioned, the BART cars are ancient. They are, finally, starting to replace them, but it's symptomatic of a larger problem facing California: It's a house of cards, they're willing to let the good times roll without paying the upkeep, and eventually something is going to break. I was listening to the local news station last time I was in town (I go frequently), and they observed that when Governor Pat Brown was in charge in the 1960s, some 40% of the State's budget went into infrastructure. When his son, Jerry Brown left office this year, 3% of the State's budget was going on infrastructure.

    I'm sorry, but hoping for a good snow pack year, and then issueing water rationing restrictions if the snow doesn't come in the volume needed is not a viable sustainment plan in a State where the water infrastructure was designed for 25 million people in the 1960s, and the State population is approaching 50 million. At this time, the State needs so much money that if the State put 100% of its budget into road maintenance for one year, it still wouldn't fix the roads and bridges, let alone everything else which needs fixing. It's all very well to look at the GDP of Santa Clara County and say that all is well with the Bay Area, but if they're not spending it in places that SCC needs to survive, like reservoirs, food production in the Central Valley, roads to get product to SCC etc, all the GDP in the world isn't going to help them.

    You have teachers and policemen living in RVs in the parking lots of the schools and police stations because their official homes are too far to commute. There is absolutely no expansion planning in the SF Bay Area. For years, new housing wasn't permitted in SF, they didn't want to change the skyline. Finally they relented, and a bunch of new apartment high-rises are going up in South of Market. So, if they couldn't build up, they built out, and the surrounding nine-county region has become far more urbanised. People travel further from their new homes. Further, because of the combination of Prop 13 and rent control, folks who have places to live sure as hell aren't moving home, so they are instead choosing to commute longer distances as well, further overstraining the transport infrastructure which, also, has not really changed since the 1980s. My 28 mile commute from home to work took over 90 minutes routinely. I have more important things to do with my life.

    At least here in San Antonio, they are planning for expansion. There is construction all over the place.
    Thats worrying all right for those of us living here in gun free Dublin.

    The second amendment can be read in any number of different ways, depending on what you think a well regulated militia means

    Regardless of your position on 2A (And California is one of the very few States silent on the matter of firearms in the State constitution), an anti-gun position could perhaps be supported if the laws in California actually made any sort of practical sense. "I live in San Francisco, I am not permitted to carry a gun anywhere in the State but if I live in Wine Country (Just north of SF), I can carry a gun anywhere in the State including in San Francisco". "This pistol is too old, and must be banned. This pistol is too new, and must be banned. This pistol is the wrong color, and must be banned." "This rifle has cosmetic features we don't like, and if you don't spend 30 seconds with a screwdriver, we ban it". What is this actually achieving?


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