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Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

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  • #1412
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    They hit the Pentagon in the wrong spot that's the east wall to the north lol. They never showed what speed they were going at.

    As I've explained before

    You're simply playing a game of "convince me, but I'll never accept the explanations", these posts aren't to convince you, because you will always reject them, they are for other posters

    If you have a theory, then present it, who was flying the plane? how fast was it going with proper calculations and evidence?

    You avoiding those questions or giving vague rambling answers demonstrates to other posters how weak your theory is

    In general your responses on 911 show how absurd the truther argument is: you do more to debunk 911 CTs than we do


  • #1413
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    As I've explained before

    You're simply playing a game of "convince me, but I'll never accept the explanations", these posts aren't to convince you, because you will always reject them, they are for other posters

    If you have a theory, then present it, who was flying the plane? how fast was it going with proper calculations and evidence?

    You avoiding those questions or giving vague rambling answers demonstrates to other posters how weak your theory is

    In general your responses on 911 show how absurd the truther argument is: you do more to debunk 911 CTs than we do

    Not playing any game. I'm willing to change my opinions at any time. You guys believe there no conspiracy whatsoever. This is a problem with debunkers they side with the official story about everything.

    I pointed it to you guys before Andrews Airforce base was based in Washington DC. How was it Flight 77 was not intercepted by a jet? Why did Cheney stand down the military? Why did Rumsfield disappear for 40 minutes during 9/11- there a lot more going on this day and incidents themselves while important don't account for everything that occurred.

    Pentagon attack. I can't say who flew the plane for sure. The flight instructors said Hani was a bad pilot and could not control a light aircraft with no passengers on board. One instructor even said he could not fly at all. Truthers don't just dismiss evidence, as you guys do ah sure he got lucky, anyone could fly a large jumbo jet at 530mpgh 4 feet off the ground.

    I requested evidence the plane was going 530mph. You ignored me. Where is this data online, Can I find the info online and read up on it? I googled it and can't find the data.


  • #1414
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That’s not really true though: when Loose Change came out I considered myself a truther, no doubt. I have the post history to prove it (you can check yourself)

    What happened? I became educated. I became a mechanical engineer. I applied what I learned, and lo and behold, the conspiracy doesn’t hold up to science and engineering. And I trust science, it makes my car and phone work and got us to the moon and ****.


  • #1415
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Overheal wrote: »
    That’s not really true though: when Loose Change came out I considered myself a truther, no doubt. I have the post history to prove it (you can check yourself)

    What happened? I became educated. I became a mechanical engineer. I applied what I learned, and lo and behold, the conspiracy doesn’t hold up to science and engineering. And I trust science, it makes my car and phone work and got us to the moon and ****.

    Really I check it out interesting.

    Truthers are not waffling about the buildings collapse. You have the crazies who claim the towers were hit by space beams and there no planes. They are the lunatic fringe on Youtube and you find them on web Forums. Ignore them. The truthers are not one big collective who agree about everything. David Chandler, an example, believes the official story about the Pentagon attack and believed this from the very beginning.

    He believes the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition though;)

    I don't believe this is true. Architects and Engineers for truth movement are not lunatics they are educated, people who have science backgrounds. They attended some of the finest schools in America. They don't believe NIST got it right.

    With a three-year study that cost 300,000 dollars, they now have a body of work that can be peer reviewed by the mainstream professions. Dohnjoe dismisses this before it even out. Science works by peer review. If this study is junk then people with the right credentials will say so. You not going to find out the truth on Metabunk or JREF forum. There no neutral people on there.


  • #1416
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Truthers are not waffling about the buildings collapse. You have the crazies who claim the towers were hit by space beams and there no planes. They are the lunatic fringe on Youtube and you find them on web Forums.
    Reminder, you previous claimed no plane hit the pentagon.

    You are no different from the "crazies".
    Some of these "crazies" are much more qualified than the experts you seem to worship.
    You are a hypocrite.


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  • #1417
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Reminder, you previous claimed no plane hit the pentagon.

    You are no different from the "crazies".
    Some of these "crazies" are much more qualified than the experts you seem to worship.
    You are a hypocrite.

    I respond to this post, but if you keep up the attacks back on ignore you go.

    I said a plane hit the Pentagon, not a commercial airliner.

    I now believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. People are allowed to change their opinion. I said this in early 2018.

    Have you never changed your opinion on any topic ever?


  • #1418
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You had no problem calling people assholes yesterday, so yeah you’re being a hypocrite.


  • #1419
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I respond to this post, but if you keep up the attacks back on ignore you go.
    I was never on ignore.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I said a plane hit the Pentagon, not a commercial airliner.

    I now believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. People are allowed to change their opinion. I said this in early 2018.

    Yes, and that's the exact same crazy theory you are decrying.
    You are a hypocrite.

    Your theory is as insane as the ones you say are crazy.
    Your experts are just as qualified as the crazies who believe the crazy theories.

    You are a hypocrite.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Have you never changed your opinion on any topic ever?
    Yup.


  • #1420
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Overheal wrote: »
    You had no problem calling people assholes yesterday, so yeah you’re being a hypocrite.

    I'm my own here and their mutiple posters posting who are hostile all the time. People are afraid to post here because of how they act. I hardly the only truther on board ie:). People come here to make a post or two then they are attacked and they leave. Fact is if I left there be no traffic here at all.

    I called you asshole you repeated Dohnjoe post to me you joined in. I have answered his question numerous times in this long thread and just keeps posting who planted the explosive and whatnot. I explained I can't answer but keeps posting it and my mind his trolling when I gave him a reply many times before.


  • #1421
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I'm my own here and their mutiple posters posting who are hostile all the time. People are afraid to post here because of how they act. I hardly the only truther on board ie:).
    Again: asking difficult questions is not attack.
    Stating facts about you and your posting style and level of knowledge is not attacking.

    If you are going to post crazy theories and do things like out yourself as a holocaust denier at a drop of a hat, grow a thicker skin because people are going to point that stuff out.

    Conspiracy theorists are a very sensitive bunch.
    They should go look for nice gentle safe spaces were no one will question them ever. And they can believe in their fantasies all they like.


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  • #1422
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Again: asking difficult questions is not attack.
    Stating facts about you and your posting style and level of knowledge is not attacking.

    If you are going to post crazy theories and do things like out yourself as a holocaust denier at a drop of a hat, grow a thicker skin because people are going to point that stuff out.

    Conspiracy theorists are a very sensitive bunch.
    They should go look for nice gentle safe spaces were no one will question them ever. And they can believe in their fantasies all they like.

    You not debating 9/11. I have probably asked you a hundred questions or more and you just keep ignoring and deflecting back to me.. You don't want to put yourself in uncomfortable situations were give your opinion. I don't mind difficult questions but if I am the only one answering questions then it, not a debate.


  • #1423
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    You not debating 9/11. I have probably asked you a hundred questions or more and you just keep ignoring and deflecting back to me.. You don't want to put yourself in uncomfortable situations were give your opinion. I don't mind difficult questions but if I am the only one answering questions then it, not a debate.
    Lol.:rolleyes:

    You live in your own little fantasy world.

    You are incapable of answering direct simple questions.
    You were give more than enough chances to do so, but you showed yourself incapable of answering difficult questions.
    You constantly dodge, then throw childish strops when you're caught out.

    No one takes you seriously for those reasons. Everyone's twigged to the fact that you are either an adult with poor education and writing skills or you are 12 years old.

    You are convinced of your own fantasy of being a rebel researcher because it's better than facing the reality.
    You are one of the "crazies" you dismiss. You aren't any different.


  • #1424
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol.:rolleyes:

    You live in your own little fantasy world.

    You are incapable of answering direct simple questions.
    You were give more than enough chances to do so, but you showed yourself incapable of answering difficult questions.
    You constantly dodge, then throw childish strops when you're caught out.

    No one takes you seriously for those reasons. Everyone's twigged to the fact that you are either an adult with poor education and writing skills or you are 12 years old.

    You are convinced of your own fantasy of being a rebel researcher because it's better than facing the reality.
    You are one of the "crazies" you dismiss. You aren't any different.

    Lies and more lies. I try to answer if I can. This thread would not be this long if I never replied to posts.

    You on the other hand nope don't even try and your posts don't fool me I dealt with you for over a year now.

    My last post for you.


  • #1425
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Lies and more lies. I try to answer if I can. This thread would not be this long if I never replied to posts.

    You on the other hand nope don't even try and your posts don't fool me I dealt with you for over a year now.

    My last post for you.
    Pretending I'm ignore again? :rolleyes:

    Anyway, you don't answer questions, you just parrot crazy you've learned from youtube videos. You pretend this is research.
    It is not. It is delusion.

    As we've stated before, you have no theory. You only have what you're told to believe by cranks.
    The space laser theory is more coherent and rational than your nonsense.
    And it's supported by someone far more qualified than you.
    Also, Judy Woods isn't a raging holocaust denier, so she has that going for her.


  • #1426
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    But . . . . what about freefall?
    From my dropping skydiver days, I remember it as 109 mph, but I have never looked it up :)


  • #1427
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well this guy appears to have done his homework, for a blogger

    http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.com/

    You can believe all you want that it came in from a different angle, or at a slower speed, or a faster speed, but that doesn't change the preponderance of evidence that supports the mainstream reporting. I'm still not even sure what the significance is, to you, if the plane came in slower or not? Just to poke some hole in the illuminati curtain? As for video I don't know what to tell you: security cameras don't usually record in realtime, it's usually one or two frames per second, if that, and the resolution is piss. And when something is traveling at over 700-800 ft/s you're not going to capture a whole lot of anything.

    You seem to have a clear expectation of nothing short of omnipotent perfection in the fact finding ex post facto. Like: we're still not entirely sure *exactly how* gravity works, but it just does, and we have models of it that are 'good enough' to exploit its application in engineering. That doesn't mean gravity is a conspiracy. That every facet of the attacks can not be explained literally down to the intergranular level, in dissertation-levels of fidelity, is not evidence of a cover-up. But that's the comparison here: the Conspiracy Theories have some massive freaking holes in them as have been discussed here, while trying to poke holes in the official store has literally been needled down to trying to find flaws with the lack of information to explain intergranular melting at the micron-level.


  • #1428
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    smurfjed wrote: »
    From my dropping skydiver days, I remember it as 109 mph, but I have never looked it up :)

    That's terminal velocity, (but that depends on the drag eg. bowling ball vs. parachute pants) I think he met 9.8 m/s^2 ?


  • #1429
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    I requested evidence the plane was going 530mph. You ignored me. Where is this data online, Can I find the info online and read up on it? I googled it and can't find the data.

    Actually the first link that you provided for me, PentagonBuildingPerformance report, states a figure of 780 ft/s, I'm assuming that they are using feet per second based on how much of the airliner moved across two camera frames, so using known length/distance over time they got ft/sec. This turns out to be 460 NAUTICAL MILES per hour, now go to Google and convert 460 KTS to MPH and you get 529.359 MPH, so we can call that 530 MPH.

    Just to clarify:
    1 NM = 6076 feet
    1 SM - 5280 feet.


  • #1430
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And to be fair that alone wouldn't be dead-nuts accurate, because of your Uncertainty of Resolution. That's going to be whatever your camera resolution was, though, so technically u of R would equal +/- one half of a pixel in relative distance. It might be enough to swing the value +/- 10 mph, being generous, but it doesn't amount of a big hill of beans, since the estimation is also backed up by the flight data recorder.


  • #1431
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    since the estimation is also backed up by the flight data recorder.
    One of the videos that I watched last night stated that the FDR had stopped recording a number of seconds prior to the impact.


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  • #1432
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    smurfjed wrote: »
    One of the videos that I watched last night stated that the FDR had stopped recording a number of seconds prior to the impact.

    been a while since i dove into anything about the black box, did note the FDR graphs flying around though that show the velocity exceeding 460 knots


  • #1433
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smurfjed wrote: »
    One of the videos that I watched last night stated that the FDR had stopped recording a number of seconds prior to the impact.
    Cheerful previously claimed that this gap was due to the plane missing the pentagon so that a different plane could be crashed in it's place.


  • #1434
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    King Mob wrote: »
    Pretending I'm ignore again? :rolleyes:

    Anyway, you don't answer questions, you just parrot crazy you've learned from youtube videos. You pretend this is research.
    It is not. It is delusion.

    As we've stated before, you have no theory. You only have what you're told to believe by cranks.
    The space laser theory is more coherent and rational than your nonsense.
    And it's supported by someone far more qualified than you.
    Also, Judy Woods isn't a raging holocaust denier, so she has that going for her.

    Kingmob I don't care- your opinion about me is meaningless. You're a big man who can type out insults on a keyboard or on your little phone keypad :)

    Ignore and ignore evidence (debunker code) I have tolerated this behaviour for far too long. No more posts will be answered and replied to. I will not be posting here anymore the moderator now joining in with the trolling (last straw) joke his even a moderator on a conspiracy forum acting the prick. Use your ban hammer as you threatened in PM message.


  • #1435
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Kingmob I don't care- your opinion about me is meaningless. You're a big man who can type out insults on a keyboard or on your little phone keypad :)
    Thought I was going back on ignore?
    Guess not.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I will not be posting here anymore the moderator now joining in with the trolling (last straw) joke his even a moderator on a conspiracy forum acting the prick. Use your ban hammer as you threatened in PM message.
    Lol.
    Bye.


  • #1436
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @Cheerful.

    I have asked you quite a number of questions to which you have provided no answers. I love to deal in "facts" but so far since I joined this discussion a few days ago, I've seen very few.


  • #1437
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Use your ban hammer as you threatened in PM message.

    Oh that wasn't a threat, and it won't be my banhammer, it will be an admin's banhammer, if you try to send me more personal attacks over PM.

    The only thing I've joined in is delivering unto you facts and evidence and logic, in return you called me an asshole and asked to be banned. I've given you plennnty of latitude to cool off. If you want to remove yourself from the forum that's fine.


  • #1438
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Overheal wrote: »
    Oh that wasn't a threat, and it won't be my banhammer, it will be an admin's banhammer, if you try to send me more personal attacks over PM.

    The only thing I've joined in is delivering unto you facts and evidence and logic, in return you called me an asshole and asked to be banned. I've given you plennnty of latitude to cool off. If you want to remove yourself from the forum that's fine.

    You liar i never attacked you personally on PM. You are a troll. The post on Syria thread childish.

    smurfjed sorry I did not reply to you. This will be my last post on here.


  • #1439
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    This will be my last post on here.

    Will it though? Will it really?


  • #1440
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    smurfjed sorry I did not reply to you. This will be my last post on here.
    You were never going to reply.
    You were again caught out by someone who actually is an expert in a field you only pretend to be knowledgeable in.
    You are not taking an out because had you responded, you would again reveal you don't understand the technical terms he used.


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  • #1441
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,763 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Here is another one for you to think about, you said that the FDR readout meant that the aircraft was too high to hit the building. But do you actually know where the FDR takes it's information from? How it's calculated and what impact using a different pressure setting would have?


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