Ionity charging network

liamog · 02-02-2019 01:04PM

Orebro wrote: »

Ionity pricing details released - and yikes it ain't cheap - looks like unkel is bang on the money.

https://electrek.co/2019/02/01/audi-charging-pricing-structure-e-tron-electric-suv/

That's Audi's charging service, they are basically rolling up all the public charging networks and allowing you to use the Audi app instead.

The Irish prices indicates that Audi drivers will pay 33c/kWh for Ionity chargers after the €8 rate is removed.

Mike9832 · 02-02-2019 01:39PM

liamog wrote: »

That's Audi's charging service, they are basically rolling up all the public charging networks and allowing you to use the Audi app instead.

The Irish prices indicates that Audi drivers will pay 33c/kWh for Ionity chargers after the €8 rate is removed.

That seems reasonable

Still alot cheaper than fossil

KCross · 02-02-2019 03:41PM

I'm not 100% sure how to read that article.

Is it that everyone pays the basic fee of €18 per month regardless of use and then you pay €10 for a session on a 50kW charger and 33c/kWh on 150kW chargers.... is that it?

So, €200/yr to access the network and lets say you charge up a Kona 64kWh by 70% it would cost about €15. Reasonable I suppose, if you are a regular user and can justify the €200 access charge. Its expensive if you only need it a few times a year.

I thought it was EU law that any public chargers had to also have a PAYG option? I'd like to see those figures.

liamog · 02-02-2019 03:47PM

KCross wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure how to read that article.

Is it that everyone pays the basic fee of €18 per month regardless of use and then you pay €10 for a session on a 50kW charger and 33c/kWh on 150kW chargers.... is that it?

So, €200/yr to access the network and lets say you charge up a Kona 64kWh by 70% it would cost about €15. Reasonable I suppose, if you are a regular user and can justify the €200 access charge. Its expensive if you only need it a few times a year.

I thought it was EU law that any public chargers had to also have a PAYG option? I'd like to see those figures.

Audi are offering their own charging app, so instead of using an eCars card to activate a charger you instead pay Audi €4.95 a month and use the Audi app. That plan only covers up to 50kW charging. For €17.95 a month, you can also use higher powered chargers such as Ionity.

Of course a savvy driver could just ignore the Audi service and use whatever the charging network provides.

Brera · 02-02-2019 08:29PM

Mike9832 wrote: »

That seems reasonable

Still alot cheaper than fossil

Most charging will be done at home so it will still work out cheaper.

Audi is trying to cash in on being one of the first out of the gate. It’s a premium brand so it will have its own service and charge a premium price for it etc

I’m hoping in the medium term will we see a lot more companies, which should drive the price down. Plus the cost of Petrol/Diesel will only go up with increased carbon taxes.

Brera · 02-02-2019 08:37PM

liamog wrote: »

Of course a savvy driver could just ignore the Audi service and use whatever the charging network provides.

Spot on. Ionity are only currently charging €8 per session which makes the Audi service look like daylight robbery. They want €17.95 per month plus €8 and then 0.33c/KWh to use the same Ionity network.

Unfortunately Ionity won’t stick at €8 for ever

liamog · 02-02-2019 08:44PM

Brera wrote: »

Spot on. Ionity are only currently charging €8 per session which makes the Audi service look like daylight robbery. They want €17.95 per month plus €8 and then 0.33c/KWh to use the same Ionity network.

Unfortunately Ionity won’t stick at €8 for ever

My guess is the 33c/kWh is instead of the €8.
So for the moment an Ionity charge would cost the same €8 as any other driver, and the 33c is a discounted rate Audi drivers will pay compared to the standard rate whatever that ends up being.

Mike9832 · 04-02-2019 02:22AM

liamog wrote: »

My guess is the 33c/kWh is instead of the €8.
So for the moment an Ionity charge would cost the same €8 as any other driver, and the 33c is a discounted rate Audi drivers will pay compared to the standard rate whatever that ends up being.

As long as it works

Bjorn @ 10.30

Not a great experience, €25 and doesnt work

https://youtu.be/1U-cKYXcljQ

Edit design flaw with Kona

ELM327 · 04-02-2019 10:58AM

It's a bit crap the phone support telling him there were technical problems with the charger though and she should have refunded the 80NOK over the phone

Brera · 04-02-2019 11:26AM

ELM327 wrote: »

It's a bit crap the phone support telling him there were technical problems with the charger though and she should have refunded the 80NOK over the phone

Struck me as the first time she had to deal with a query and didn’t know what to do !

ELM327 · 04-02-2019 11:32AM

I think definitive answers are the best, eg "nothing wrong on this end. I'll try reboot the charger for you and you can try again" then "if that doesnt work try another charger"

Also as there were other cars charging there were no technical issues. Poor design by Hyundai. Location is great but even in Ioniq where the chargeport door is not well located, it is protected against ingress.

jusmeig · 04-02-2019 12:51PM

Anyone been to any of the Ionity sites recently? Just wondering how far along they are.

liamog · 04-02-2019 01:19PM

Another good argument against session fee's.
There has been a couple of times at eCars chargers where I've had to start the session 3 or 4 times.

galwaytt · 04-02-2019 02:05PM

Zenith74 wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/evs_ireland/comments/akerm3/work_has_begun_on_the_cashel_ionity_chargers/

HSA site notice says it's started 17th December and is to run for "15", I guess this is up to 15 weeks maybe?

15 "weeks" ? Days, surely ? It's not the Empire State Building they're constructing....

denismc · 04-02-2019 05:06PM

galwaytt wrote: »

15 "weeks" ? Days, surely ? It's not the Empire State Building they're constructing....

The commisioning of these sites probably takes longer than the the construction, with such high currents there would have to be a lot of testing to make sure everything is safe.
And like everything these days there is probably a ton of paperwork to be reviewed and signed off.

RedorDead · 05-02-2019 05:02PM

I hear the one in the Circle K in Gormanstown off the M1 due to open for the end of March 2019 followed closely by the one in Cashel off the M7. Not sure which one is next after those two then...

Zenith74 · 05-02-2019 05:44PM

RedorDead wrote: »

I hear the one in the Circle K in Gormanstown off the M1 due to open for the end of March 2019 followed closely by the one in Cashel off the M7. Not sure which one is next after those two then...

The only one showing as "building" on the Ionity website is the Cashel one, though that may not mean much.

Would be very handy if you could search for planning applications across all county councils on one site, but doing it manually for each county on eplanning.ie these are what I came up with -

Kildare ref:18/1055 - 6 Ionity bays at Mayfield Interchange Services Area
Tipperary ref:18/601043 - 6 Ionity bays at Circle K Motorway Service Area, Junction 8 M8 Motorway
Meath ref:AA/180979 - 6 Ionity bays at Circle K Service Station City North, Gormanston

Water John · 05-02-2019 08:34PM

What you are suggesting there, is a serial objectors wet dream.

Zenith74 · 08-03-2019 05:03PM

Dropped into the Cashel FCP charger today. Doesn’t look to be a huge amount of progress there, nobody on site today. Cable ducts have been run to six locations. Suspect they must be waiting on their electricity grid connection?

Gumbo · 08-03-2019 05:07PM

Zenith74 wrote: »

The only one showing as "building" on the Ionity website is the Cashel one, though that may not mean much.

Would be very handy if you could search for planning applications across all county councils on one site, but doing it manually for each county on eplanning.ie these are what I came up with -
Kildare ref:18/1055 - 6 Ionity bays at Mayfield Interchange Services Area

Tipperary ref:18/601043 - 6 Ionity bays at Circle K Motorway Service Area, Junction 8 M8 Motorway

Meath ref:AA/180979 - 6 Ionity bays at Circle K Service Station City North, Gormanston

www.eplanning.ie

Does that cover the country?

fricatus · 15-03-2019 05:25PM

Cashel still showing as "building" according to the website... anyone got any further information on when it might open, and when/where we might see other Ionity locations in Ireland?

ELM327 · 15-03-2019 05:52PM

It's well past their usual 6 week timeframe for installs at this point...
Probably some local nature freak or farmer objected

unkel · 15-03-2019 07:27PM

ELM327 wrote: »

It's well past their usual 6 week timeframe for installs at this point...
Probably some local nature freak or farmer objected

Surely all of this planning stuff / objections is should be publicly accessible online?

BigAl81 · 16-03-2019 10:09AM

Doing a 173km trip up north in an Ioniq today, this Ionity network can't come soon enough!!

Zenith74 · 16-03-2019 10:16AM

unkel wrote: »

Surely all of this planning stuff / objections is should be publicly accessible online?

Scroll up

. I included the planning reference numbers, all sourced from online sites for each County Council, most of which include the details of the planning, when it was granted, any objections and any limitations applied. The three initial Ionity locations have permission long granted at this stage, my guess is they're waiting for the ESB at Cashel, the site is fenced off, concrete in for the bases of the chargers and ducts sticking out of the ground ready for wiring but no wires in 'em yet.

Looking forward to seeing the first one up and going, though won't be too much use to my Leaf! Hope they won't be as idle as the Tesla ones often are. Also hope not to be queuing behind a CCS user at the eCars charger because it's free, while 6 Ionity chargers sit idle, though I think it is 100% inevitable :rolleyes:

Silent Running · 16-03-2019 10:40AM

BigAl81 wrote: »

Doing a 173km trip up north in an Ioniq today, this Ionity network can't come soon enough!!

That run is well covered. M1 Lusk and M1 Castlebellingham are online and there are several backup chargers offline. North of the border is OK too.

What has you worried? Is it that this is your first longish run?

Just before Christmas I did Wexford to Malin head. Not a bother. Nice relaxing run. :cool:

Pro tip: avoid charging near population centres. Too many freeloaders.

fricatus · 16-03-2019 11:21AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Also hope not to be queuing behind a CCS user at the eCars charger because it's free, while 6 Ionity chargers sit idle, though I think it is 100% inevitable :rolleyes:

The eCars chargers won’t be free for long - the ESB plan to bring in payment soon, and I think 35c per kWh was mentioned as a likely rate. Ionity will be charging a flat rate of €8 per charge, which makes Ionity better value once you pull down more than about 23 kWh.

Even on my Ioniq with its smallish battery, Ionity would be the better bet if charging from 20% SOC or lower, and it will certainly make sense for a Kona or e-Tron to use Ionity rather than eCars.

Not to say you won’t have to queue (especially when eCars install multiple chargers at busy locations), but it’s likely to be less of an issue in the future.

Silent Running · 16-03-2019 11:31AM

fricatus wrote: »

The eCars chargers won’t be free for long - the ESB plan to bring in payment soon, and I think 35c per kWh was mentioned as a likely rate. Ionity will be charging a flat rate of €8 per charge, which makes Ionity better value once you pull down more than about 23 kWh.

Even on my Ioniq with its smallish battery, Ionity would be the better bet if charging from 20% SOC or lower, and it will certainly make sense for a Kona or e-Tron to use Ionity rather than eCars.

Not to say you won’t have to queue (especially when eCars install multiple chargers at busy locations), but it’s likely to be less of an issue in the future.

Ionity chargers should be faster, so more incentive to use them other than just the cost and availability.

ELM327 · 19-03-2019 12:04PM

As a CCS user if there's a free working charger and a paid working charger that is 10% faster E2E, I will use the free charger.

As a chademo user I'd be a bit peeved but there's nothing to stop the CCS user using the free charger, same as a Tesla can use it where there are superchargers and one ecar charger.

irishgrover · 19-03-2019 12:27PM

ELM327 wrote: »

As a CCS user if there's a free working charger and a paid working charger that is 10% faster E2E, I will use the free charger.

As a chademo user I'd be a bit peeved but there's nothing to stop the CCS user using the free charger, same as a Tesla can use it where there are superchargers and one ecar charger.

I think the first part will be a brief anomoly that will disapear when ecars introduce charging.
However the 2nd one is more interesting. I roll up in an ioniq, I only need 60% charge to get where I'm going. If ecars is cheaper than flat rate ionity, then I go for ecars...and leaf has to wait becuase I'm saving 1 or 2 euro.....

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