Micky Jackson in trouble again

fryup wrote: »

MJ legacy is in tatters after this, i wonder will his music be played on radio again?

Can we separate the art from the artist? I would like to think so. Kevin Spacey turned out to be a creepy mofo but I still enjoy watching him in Se7en.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Can we separate the art from the artist? I would like to think so. Kevin Spacey turned out to be a creepy mofo but I still enjoy watching him in Se7en.

I don't think many people are watching old eps of Jim'll Fix It on youtube.

LolaJJ wrote: »

My one takeaway from it was how insanely naive and strange both mothers were. I appreciate he was a big-star but surely as mothers, they should have had some kind of instinct or feeling that this was inappropriate behavior. Part of me wondered if they turned a blind eye.

as you alluded to ..star struck

and lets not forget peadophelia wasn't such a hot topic back then so it wasn't in forefront of peoples minds like it is now

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I don't think many people are watching old eps of Jim'll Fix It on youtube.

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^

or playing Gary Glitter music??

Neither are examples of classics of their genre.

Hopefully someone else might have an opinion on the question and not just list off things old paedos did.

fryup wrote: »

doesn't matter if they were considered "classics of their generation" if public opinion turns against him ..then MJ's legacy as a wholesome pop entertainer will be finished

It does though, who would be listening to Gary Glitter nowadays even if he was a great man and not a filthy animal? MJ was one of the greatest pop acts of all time, big difference.
Which is why I asked if we can separate the art from the artist.

jobless wrote: »

are you equating what kevin spacey did with pedophila?

Anthony Rapp was 14 years old at the time of the allegations, what would you call it?

fryup wrote: »

doesn't matter if they were considered "classics of their generation" if public opinion turns against him ..then MJ's legacy as a wholesome pop entertainer will be finished

I guarantee you in 5-10 years his music will still be played.

People said this after the Bashir documentary and to be fair his career was finished from that point (never made another album) and went into exile.

The may turn on him as a person, but the songs (which aren't anything to with playing with kiddies rather stories/themes people liked) will be played indefinitely.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Which is why I asked if we can separate the art from the artist.

when it comes to child abuse....no way!

LolaJJ wrote: »

I don't feel confident assuming he is guilty, I'd like to know more about how well Safechuck and Robson became acquainted prior to filming and if there was an opportunity for them to compare notes, so to speak.

They have been jointly suing 2 companies attached to the Jackson estate for a number of years.

It was thrown out in 2017 for technical reasons with the judge stating

no rational fact-finder could possibly believe Robson’s sworn statement

They are appealing the ruling, they are looking for 100s of millions of dollars, may even be 1 billion, i can't remember the exact figure.

fryup wrote: »

when it comes to child abuse....no way!

Some people will though, his music was far too legendary and iconic for a lot of people.

Comparing his legacy to Gary Glitter is laughable. He certainly might be guilty like Glitter, but no one likes GG's music, so its easier to ban him.

There was an inconsistency occurred to me after I saw the notes on the final screen that "new boys" Culkin and the other lad denied that anything improper had happened to them in Jackson's company.

If Jackson was into kiddie-sex and was allegedly having such a ball anytime he was alone with Robson and Safechuck why would he dump them in favour of lads that offered no such favours.

I don't think a normal bloke having great sex with his bird would dump her for another one who wasn't up for it.

Leaving aside the sexual aspect if Jackson did dump them for the other lads that was very cruel in itself, not a shadow of doubt about that. However, it would point to a certain revenge aspect in the allegations now being made.

Jury still out.

Genuinely don't know what to make of Leaving Neverland. Pretty devastating testimony from Safechuck and Robson. Every question you may have about their truthfulness can be answered by what we know about other victims of child sexual abuse. Some of the abuse descriptions were very graphic and made the programme a hard watch. If Jackson did abuse these boys it is not the fault of the parents or the boys themselves, it is Jackson's, pure and simple.

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Comparing his legacy to Gary Glitter is laughable. He certainly might be guilty like Glitter, but no one likes GG's music, so its easier to ban him.

Glitter was one of the biggest pop stars back in the 70s, and there isn't a radio station out there who dares play his music...the same i feel will happen with MJ

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I guarantee you in 5-10 years his music will still be played.

People said this after the Bashir documentary and to be fair his career was finished from that point (never made another album) and went into exile.

His career was far from finished TBF. The exile was self imposed.

The trial did knock him for 6, but before his death he signed up for 10 concerts in London it had to be increased to 50, breaking ticket sale records and propelling is albums up the charts.

fryup wrote: »

Glitter was one of the biggest pop stars back in the 70s, and there isn't a radio station out there who dares play his music...the same i feel will happen with MJ

Not a chance. Jackons up there with the Beatles and Elvis in terms of influence, long term wise, he wont be banned.

Gary Glitter had a decent career, but he was nowhere near that of Jackson's level.