Micky Jackson in trouble again

fin12 · 06-03-2019 11:50PM

Motivator wrote: »

Im not defending him for a second. My point is that the parents left their kids with him for days on end to keep him happy so they could they stay on the gravy train paid for in full by Jackson.

Yes he was the one who did whatever he did to those children, but the money and fame hungry parents put their children in the position that they found themselves in. No 7 year old child should be be put in a situation where they are left alone with a clearly disturbed person for 5 days.

Ya if Michael was Joe blogs next door would they be as quick to let their kids hang out there and sleep over. Don’t think so cause no money would have been exchanged.

retro:electro · 06-03-2019 11:51PM

Motivator wrote: »

Im not defending him for a second. My point is that the parents left their kids with him for days on end to keep him happy so they could they stay on the gravy train paid for in full by Jackson.

Yes he was the one who did whatever he did to those children, but the money and fame hungry parents put their children in the position that they found themselves in. No 7 year old child should be be put in a situation where they are left alone with a clearly disturbed person for 5 days.

Yes, and I agree with you to an extent. But I’m challenging you on your point where you said “whatever went on, the parents are responsible for all of it”, which is fcuking absurd. They are to blame for putting their children in risky situations, they owed them more than to do that. They are not responsible for the abuse that took place.
It’s clear to see that he groomed the whole family.

ceadaoin. · 06-03-2019 11:57PM

Sheeps wrote: »

Don't believe a word of it. Seems Michael Jackson is an easy target in the age of the "me too" movement to make a quick buck against the estate since he's not around to present a defence. No thanks. The alleged victims, in this case, have absolutely no credibility, and ill never forgive them for making me agree with Piers Morgan on the topic.

Did you watch the film?

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:06AM

Feels like a fire that burns in my heart
Every single moment that we spend apart
I need you around for every day to start
I haven't left you alone

There's something about you, I stare in your eyes
And everything I'm looking for I seem to find
All this time away is killing me inside
I need your love in my life

I want to spend time till it ends
I want to fall with you again
Like we did when we first met
I want to fall with you again

We fought in a battle, nobody won
And left ourselves a mountain to be overcome
You can't run away, the past is said and done
I need us to carry on

I want to spend time till it ends
I want to fall with you again
Like we did when we first met
I want to fall with you again

Hard to enjoy his songs without wondering what or who he's talking about.

super_furry · 07-03-2019 12:09AM

Is any of this really news though? I was always surprised the way people were able to just shrug aside all the accusations, court-cases and pay-offs that followed Jackson throughout his career.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:12AM

James Safechuck, if you rearrange letters in his name it reads

''J, He F-ucks Ass ,Came '' or ''Much fee, Jackass''

Ironically he's one or the other I guess. Is it true, or is he a Jackass seeking a '' much fee ''

Jane_Dough · 07-03-2019 12:14AM

Didn’t believe a word of that documentary. The way they spoke didn’t even seem sincere or genuine.

I’m honestly so sick of this sh*t. People coming out of the woodwork years on and when a man is dead and unable to defend himself.

That documentary was a load of nonsense imo.

8-10 · 07-03-2019 12:19AM

super_furry wrote: »

Is any of this really news though? I was always surprised the way people were able to just shrug aside all the accusations, court-cases and pay-offs that followed Jackson throughout his career.

Shrug off? What makes the 93 and 05 court cases believable to you?

fin12 · 07-03-2019 12:19AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Feels like a fire that burns in my heart
Every single moment that we spend apart
I need you around for every day to start
I haven't left you alone

There's something about you, I stare in your eyes
And everything I'm looking for I seem to find
All this time away is killing me inside
I need your love in my life

I want to spend time till it ends
I want to fall with you again
Like we did when we first met
I want to fall with you again

We fought in a battle, nobody won
And left ourselves a mountain to be overcome
You can't run away, the past is said and done
I need us to carry on

I want to spend time till it ends
I want to fall with you again
Like we did when we first met
I want to fall with you again

Hard to enjoy his songs without wondering what or who he's talking about.

Well Ben was about his pet rat :pac:

Motivator · 07-03-2019 12:21AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Yes, and I agree with you to an extent. But I’m challenging you on your point where you said “whatever went on, the parents are responsible for all of it”, which is fcuking absurd. They are to blame for putting their children in risky situations, they owed them more than to do that. They are not responsible for the abuse that took place.
It’s clear to see that he groomed the whole family.

Ok I may have worded it wrong, my point is that if the parents weren’t so blinded by what doors he could open for them financially speaking then the children wouldn’t have been put in the situation. I didn’t mean they were to blame for Jackson abusing them, I meant they were to blame for the situation and for the opportunity to arise in the first place.

100% agreeing that they families were groomed too. However they were adults that should have known better. The children were just that, children. They were betrayed and pawned off by their parents in exchange for holidays, cash and god knows what else. What freaked me out most about the documentary was how relaxed and matter of fact both mothers were about whole thing. I would have thought that with what was being said by their sons that they would condemn it and admit that they were in the wrong. I would have thought that seeing them both admit they ****ed up would have happened in the first 10 minutes.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:23AM

If you rearrange letters in ''Wade Robson'' it reads '' A Brown Dose'' full of shiit then?

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:24AM

fin12 wrote: »

Well Ben was about his pet rat :pac:

Aww we have one song we can gather round and listen to .:D

8-10 · 07-03-2019 12:25AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Feels like a fire that burns in my heart
Every single moment that we spend apart
I need you around for every day to start
I haven't left you alone

There's something about you, I stare in your eyes
And everything I'm looking for I seem to find
All this time away is killing me inside
I need your love in my life

I want to spend time till it ends
I want to fall with you again
Like we did when we first met
I want to fall with you again

We fought in a battle, nobody won
And left ourselves a mountain to be overcome
You can't run away, the past is said and done
I need us to carry on

I want to spend time till it ends
I want to fall with you again
Like we did when we first met
I want to fall with you again

Hard to enjoy his songs without wondering what or who he's talking about.

I guess you could ask Walter Afanasieff seeing as he wrote the song before Jackson covered it?

Or was he part of the conspiracy too?

retro:electro · 07-03-2019 12:27AM

I’ve yet to read one logical reason from his defenders as to why they believe he liked to surround himself with young boys so much?
When you see the footage and the extent of it.. beyond weird.

Stacksofwacks · 07-03-2019 12:28AM

Having just seen the doc I'm inclined to believe the two men, particularly Safechuck who I found very convincing. But I guess its one of those things where we may never know the full truth. As a Michael Jackson fan myself I found it sad to watch and almost dint want to believe it but I think his star power is so enormous that lots of people dont want to either which is understandable...

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:28AM

8-10 wrote: »

I guess you could ask Walter Afanasieff seeing as he wrote the song before Jackson covered it?

Or was he part of the conspiracy too?

Cool, as I've always liked Michael version. It's a sweet song.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:30AM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Having just seen the doc I'm inclined to believe the two men, particularly Safechuck who I found very convincing. But I guess its one of those things where we may never know the full truth. As a Michael Jackson fan myself I found it sad to watch and almost dint want to believe it but I think his star power is so enormous that lots of people dont want to either which is understandable...

I watched it too and it can convince, what you need now is some balance to counter what you have been led to believe. Then weigh it up.

retro:electro · 07-03-2019 12:32AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I watched it too and it can convince, what you need now is some balance to counter what you have been led to believe. Then weigh it up.

Toby are you well? You’re over on the other thread saying how you believe the victims

gerbilgranny · 07-03-2019 12:33AM

retro:electro wrote: »

What is also abundantly clear is how absolutely awe struck those kids were for Michael and would have done absolutely anything to please him. Probably another reason why Michael “preferred” them over the likes of Culkin and Feldman who were established industry stars with regular celebrity attachments and didn’t view him in the same light as a normal run of the mill 8 year old child would. It’s very easy to exploit someone who would do absolutely anything to be in your company.

If you were 47 and had been in a 'mutually exclusive' close relationship with an 'ordinary' person and they cast you aside and you saw that they'd lined up a replacement for you, you'd be in a very fragile emotional state.

If that happened to you when you were a child....well, that's enough for me to find the stories horrifying.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 12:36AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Toby are you well? You’re over on the other thread saying how you believe the victims

Yea, I said I defended Michael up to now, but that the last hour of documentary can convince one it's true. I'm still torn though. I'm was off the fence and on Michaels side, now I'm on the fence.

retro:electro · 07-03-2019 12:38AM

Fair enough

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-03-2019 12:42AM

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Having just seen the doc I'm inclined to believe the two men, particularly Safechuck who I found very convincing. But I guess its one of those things where we may never know the full truth. As a Michael Jackson fan myself I found it sad to watch and almost dint want to believe it but I think his star power is so enormous that lots of people dont want to either which is understandable...

This is where I’m at. We’ll never know for sure but I believed them. That’s all that can be said really. Do you believe them or not?

In real life, I have met some very rabid MJ defenders. Very. :eek: I just leave them to it but I do wonder why they take it so personally.

Call me Al · 07-03-2019 12:44AM

Jane_Dough wrote: »

Didn’t believe a word of that documentary. The way they spoke didn’t even seem sincere or genuine.

I’m honestly so sick of this sh*t. People coming out of the woodwork years on and when a man is dead and unable to defend himself.

That documentary was a load of nonsense imo.

And yet here I am, no interest one way or another, not a particular fan but liked his music well enough. I was expecting to not believe them and yet i do.
And the more I think about it the more i realise how he just hid it all in plain sight. I think he was a paedophile, and it was obvious.
Nowadays If you were aware of an adult man hanging around and sharing a bed with various pre-pubescent boys what would you think he was doing?

CFlat · 07-03-2019 01:41AM

If the justice system in America, which is well known to be efficient and ruthless and takes no prisoners, no matter who you are, couldn't prove that Jackson was being inappropriate with children when he was alive, I can't get my head around why people think he is now. Is it just because a couple of lads who look well and speak well say he is?

Don't be fooled by very smart legal counsel who are sniffing around very large sums of money. These lads have been trained within an inch of their lives to put their own interpretation of what happened when they were with Jackson.

Don't believe any of it, not for a second.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-03-2019 01:45AM

How on earth could this guy in this video harm kids. It's so hard to fathom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxue7Z32TZ4

sligeach · 07-03-2019 01:49AM

retro:electro wrote: »

He died because he was a drug addict :rolleyes: probably roofing himself was the only way to drown out the fact he molested a loads of kids

You're an obvious MJ hater, it comes across so transparently in your comments. He didn't die because he was a drug addict. He died because Conrad Murray f*cked up. There you go again, "fact"? It's not a fact. He was found not guilty in 2005, which brought up the allegations of 1993. And in 1993, 2 grand juries said there was no case to answer for.

So you've got these 2 proven liars in this completely one-sided assassination of a defenseless dead man. There's plenty of evidence to say they're lying. I'd love to see these 2 take a polygraph test. They've provided no evidence, just a concocted story which is easy to do. And they've got literally hundreds of millions of reasons to make it up, the more graphic the story and the more it went on, the bigger they're hoping they get as a payout in compensation.

They've lodged an appeal against the previous decision by the judge to throw the case out, the judge said that Wade Robson had lied in his witness statement to such an extent that 'no rational fact-finder' could believe his account.

retro:electro · 07-03-2019 01:52AM

:rolleyes: at least you didn’t bring up Ray D’arcy this time

And yes, because non addicts are regularly given a drug so powerful it’s use is primarily kept for operating theatres with controlled breathing tubes and ventilators for a bit of a night cap. Get real.
He was clearly abusing prescription drugs, like that’s not even up for debate.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-03-2019 02:01AM

CFlat wrote: »

If the justice system in America, which is well known to be efficient and ruthless and takes no prisoners, no matter who you are, couldn't prove that Jackson was being inappropriate with children when he was alive, I can't get my head around why people think he is now. Is it just because a couple of lads who look well and speak well say he is?

Don't be fooled by very smart legal counsel who are sniffing around very large sums of money. These lads have been trained within an inch of their lives to put their own interpretation of what happened when they were with Jackson.

Don't believe any of it, not for a second.

No legal system gets it right all the time. That’s impossible. We all know of a high profile ‘90s murder case that ably demonstrates that. I find the above argument uncompelling. That ‘90s case also showed us what money and connections can do.

The question of why people speak out about MJ always comes down to “For the money, obvs”. I gotta say, for me, no amount of money would make it worth being hated by millions and millions of people. There is a not inconsiderable strand of MJ fans who are really rabid and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to draw their attention. I don’t think any amount of money would be worth that grief, would it? Who would want that hassle?

ceadaoin. · 07-03-2019 02:06AM

retro:electro wrote: »

:rolleyes: at least you didn’t bring up Ray D’arcy this time

And yes, because non addicts are regularly given a drug so powerful it’s use is primarily kept for operating theatres with controlled breathing tubes and ventilators for a bit of a night cap. Get real.
He was clearly abusing prescription drugs, like that’s not even up for debate.

Yes, it's widely know and accepted that he was a drug addict at the end of his life. Some people are so wilfully blind it's ridiculous. I honestly hope those people don't have kids if they are so able to deny the obvious and demonise abuse victims

fin12 · 07-03-2019 02:07AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

No legal system gets it right all the time. That’s impossible. We all know of a high profile ‘90s murder case that ably demonstrates that. I find the above argument uncompelling. That ‘90s case also showed us what money and connections can do.

The question of why people speak out about MJ always comes down to “For the money, obvs”. I gotta say, for me, no amount of money would make it worth being hated by millions and millions of people. There is a not inconsiderable strand of MJ fans who are really rabid and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to draw their attention. I don’t think any amount of money would be worth that grief, would it? Who would want that hassle?

That 90s case was f*cked up by the police, who tampered with evidence when they didn’t need to. OJ then pulled out the old racism card and that’s how he got off. Found guilty in the civil case.

Micky Jackson in trouble again

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