Bloody Sunday paratrooper says he feels no guilt

Galwayguy35 · 06-03-2019 08:32PM

To these guys the Irish were dirt on their shoe so it's not surprising this oul c**t would come out with a statement like that.

Karen Bradley on the other hand should have known better, although it seems the DUP MP's agreed with her seeing as they nodded their heads in agreement as she basically said it was all right to shoot innocent Catholics.

steddyeddy · 06-03-2019 08:35PM

Edgware wrote: »

52% voted for Brexit. Just because Paddy the slave of Europe thinks its a bad idea doesnt necessarily mean that it is. If we had a Border Poll in the morning with a 52% Yes to a united Ireland Paddy would be very quick demanding that the democratic wish of the people be recognised

No literally everybody thinks it's a bad idea. I've met Trump voters who think it's stupid.

givyjoe · 06-03-2019 08:37PM

Edgware wrote: »

52% voted for Brexit. Just because Paddy the slave of Europe thinks its a bad idea doesnt necessarily mean that it is. If we had a Border Poll in the morning with a 52% Yes to a united Ireland Paddy would be very quick demanding that the democratic wish of the people be recognised

Why do you keep saying Paddy?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-03-2019 08:39PM

Edgware wrote: »

52% voted for Brexit. Just because Paddy the slave of Europe thinks its a bad idea doesnt necessarily mean that it is. If we had a Border Poll in the morning with a 52% Yes to a united Ireland Paddy would be very quick demanding that the democratic wish of the people be recognised

Anybody know why there’s no automatic ban for the use of Paddy this way? We’ve produced a strange kind of Irishman who writes like a British colonel in the 80’s in the letters section of the Telegraph. There are surely far right British forums where this kind of pathology is acceptable.

With regards to Bloody Sunday I think the soldiers should be investigated - not sure about punishment given that there were prisoner releases in the agreement.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 06-03-2019 08:40PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Why do you keep saying Paddy?

He’s a colonised craw thumper.

Edgware · 06-03-2019 08:42PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Why do you keep saying Paddy?

Ask Enda Kenny

lertsnim · 06-03-2019 08:42PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Why do you keep saying Paddy?

Is it not obvious? He thinks he's superior to poor Paddy.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-03-2019 08:44PM

Edgware wrote: »

Alright pal-you've had your fun

Mod note: Edgware, I sincerely doubt you're here to discuss anything, going by your posts so far. Don't post in this thread again.

Buford T. Justice.

qm1bv4p8i92aoj · 06-03-2019 08:47PM

Edgware wrote: »

52% voted for Brexit. Just because Paddy the slave of Europe thinks its a bad idea doesnt necessarily mean that it is. If we had a Border Poll in the morning with a 52% Yes to a united Ireland Paddy would be very quick demanding that the democratic wish of the people be recognised

Ah sure just because the idiots of Europe, the tans think it's a good idea to shoot themselves in the face a la Brexit doesn't make it ok for cowardly tan soldiers to shoot innocent Irish people in the back.

nlrkjos · 06-03-2019 08:55PM

Individual soldiers should not be prosecuted, no matter how bad their actions, they were young, scared and following orders, and that's what soldiers do.I know, following orders has been rejected as an excuse for criminality/murder.

However I believe the regiment should be publicly stripped of whatever "campaign banners" they would have received for their tours of duty in Ireland, this act would bring shame on the regiment which likes to laud its proud history, and in fairness it did have respect for its role in WW2, and Prince Charles as honorary commander should also publicly apologise for bloody Sunday murders and also Ballymurphy case.

Just being a bit cynical here, but is any of this related to "compensation" or will an apology suffice ?

Purgative · 06-03-2019 08:56PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

To these guys the Irish were dirt on their shoe so it's not surprising this oul c**t would come out with a statement like that.

Karen Bradley on the other hand should have known better, although it seems the DUP MP's agreed with her seeing as they nodded their heads in agreement as she basically said it wa sall right to shoot innocent Catholics.

Fair post. Though I've always been of the opinion that paratroopers are some of most effective and aggressive troops the world over.

I think there is a higher responsibility for putting troops like that into what was largely a police action.

Plumbthedepths · 06-03-2019 08:58PM

nlrkjos wrote:

Individual soldiers should not be prosecuted, no matter how bad their actions, they were young, scared and following orders, and that's what soldiers do.I know, following orders has been rejected as an excuse for criminality/murder.

I was only following orders got tossed out in Nuremberg. Didn't work.

lawred2 · 06-03-2019 08:58PM

nlrkjos wrote: »

Individual soldiers should not be prosecuted, no matter how bad their actions, they were young, scared and following orders, and that's what soldiers do.I know, following orders has been rejected as an excuse for criminality/murder.

However I believe the regiment should be publicly stripped of whatever "campaign banners" they would have received for their tours of duty in Ireland, this act would bring shame on the regiment which likes to laud its proud history, and in fairness it did have respect for its role in WW2, and Prince Charles as honorary commander should also publicly apologise for bloody Sunday murders and also Ballymurphy case.

Just being a bit cynical here, but is any of this related to "compensation" or will an apology suffice ?

What a load of old boy tosh. Do you think the families of those unarmed people shot in the back give a toss about campaign banners!? Do you think the wider public does?

That is utterly meaningless triviality to anyone outside of military circles.

It is not ok to shoot unarmed people in the back whatever you're wearing.

Scared - give me a break. They were shooting from on height at unarmed people. What were they scared of?

NIMAN · 06-03-2019 09:01PM

Not surprised by such comments, the BA has a history of murder long before the Troubles ever came around.

I really hope the guy who said this is one of those who could potentially be done for murder in the coming weeks.

Auldloon · 06-03-2019 09:07PM

I've worked with a lot of ex British military including paras but we've always avoided this topic or I'd probably have ended up getting a kicking! They to a man are very proud of their regiment and I doubt any would see those guys as guilty of anything.
The general population would feel the same in my experience from living in the U.K. nearly 20 years.

06-03-2019 09:10PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

He also considers the day itself to be "a job well done" even though he acknowledges at least some of the victims were innocent. Is this British view of the troubles still completely at odds with our own?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47466460

This comes as karen bradley states that killing by soldiers are not crimes.

What with that Tory politician a few months ago saying Britain should threaten the food supply of the Irish, they're all great entertainment anyway. Once upon a time these outbursts were controversial - Denning's notorious "appalling vista" comment being the outstanding one of the 1980s - now they're just reflective of a broader "We've collectively gone off the rails" mentality. As Brexit's reality dawns on even the thickest one, and as they reduce their food safety and animal welfare standards to get a deal with the US, the whole place is more to be pitied than laughed at. Ken Clarke and a very small handful of other public figures will be the only ones to come out well in the history books from this populist coup.

the_syco · 06-03-2019 09:52PM

https://www.irishpost.com/news/boris-johnson-defends-bloody-sunday-soldiers-slams-calls-trial-ira-get-away-troubles-crimes-164974

[url=https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47466460]BORIS JOHNSON[/url] wrote:

"Are we really proposing to send old soldiers to die in jail – after we gave dozens of wanted terrorists a get-out-of-jail-free card under the Good Friday Agreement? Is that balanced? Is that fair?"

Although Boris is a **** at the best of times, he does have a point.

Plumbthedepths · 06-03-2019 09:54PM

the_syco wrote:

Although Boris is a **** at the best of times, he does have a point.

I believe killers from a certain war during the 40's are being hunted and prosecuted still.

klaaaz · 06-03-2019 10:00PM

The latest into the super delayed inquest in Ballymurphy massacre(10 civilians were murdered by the British Army including a priest and a mother of 8) Today it was the turn of a boy aged 11 who was shot and critically injured at the time
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47471512

Mr Butler recalled an Army Saracen entering the field and two soldiers lifting bodies into the back of it.

He said one of the men was wounded and crying out in pain.

Mr Butler told the court one of the soldiers withdrew a sidearm, swore at the man who was moaning in pain, and shot the man dead, with one or two rounds "towards the chest".

The mother of 8 Joan Connolly was shot in the face by a "brave soldier", she was blinded lying wounded on the ground screaming in pain and died of her injuries.

List of Ballymurphy victims
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46199577

Apparently, the shooting dead of a few hundred unarmed Irish civilians by the British Army and their proxies is not a crime now

Dyr · 06-03-2019 10:04PM

Just remember these are the lads your poppy money goes to

Lets all just move on eh?

klaaaz · 06-03-2019 10:06PM

the_syco wrote: »

https://www.irishpost.com/news/boris-johnson-defends-bloody-sunday-soldiers-slams-calls-trial-ira-get-away-troubles-crimes-164974

Although Boris is a **** at the best of times, he does have a point.

No he does not. There were hardly any prosecutions for the state murder of hundreds of civilians. About 10,000 Republicans were prosecuted and served time and are still hunted down to this day where they will serve 2 years in jail and then be released as part of the GFA. If they behave badly on licence, they are returned to jail.
The British Army's servants don't do jail time. Murdering Irish civilians including women and kids on their part is tolerated at the highest level.

Gimme A Pound · 06-03-2019 10:08PM

Edgware wrote: »

I have no doubt but plenty of our own "freedom fighters" haven't an ounce of remorse for Birmingham, Enniskillen, The Hanna Family massacre etc.
Dirtbirds are dirtbirds whatever flag they operate under

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sure let's hear from the Provos and see their level on the Remorse-o-meter.

What is the actual purpose of those comments? Did the OP imply "our own" (and they weren't "my own" thank you - I had zero to do with them) did no wrong or something? Is commentary on the atrocity of Bloody Sunday = being ok with provo atrocities? Should there always be mention of atrocities by "the other side"? I mean, would you demand balance if there was a thread about the Enniskillen murders? Like shyte you would. And rightly so. Individual atrocities can be remembered without any necessity for "but what about?" agenda pushing. Any decent, balanced individual can respect that.

So start a thread if you must get a dig in about the other side - but meanwhile, back to Bloody Sunday: what's your view on this man? Do you have compassion for the victims' families? You seem to have left out your thoughts in that regard. Do get back to me.

(plot twist: he won't).

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well guess what - it's an army (in the early 70s). Not the social services.

And who the **** suggested otherwise? Your dismissal of an atrocity which was like something in El Salvador is disgusting.

Edgware wrote: »

52% voted for Brexit. Just because Paddy the slave of Europe thinks its a bad idea doesnt necessarily mean that it is. If we had a Border Poll in the morning with a 52% Yes to a united Ireland Paddy would be very quick demanding that the democratic wish of the people be recognised

Oh look, the forelock tugging to their betters - even involving disparaging comments about their own.

This board really has a few white Uncle Toms/house slaves. Kills them to admit wrongdoings by the security forces/loyalists. They'd rather drone witless inanities like "Paging shinnerbots".

Gimme A Pound · 06-03-2019 10:09PM

klaaaz wrote: »

The latest into the super delayed inquest in Ballymurphy massacre(10 civilians were murdered by the British Army including a priest and a mother of 8) Today it was the turn of a boy aged 11 who was shot and critically injured at the time
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47471512

The mother of 8 Joan Connolly was shot in the face by a "brave soldier", she was blinded lying wounded on the ground screaming in pain and died of her injuries.

List of Ballymurphy victims
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46199577

Apparently, the shooting dead of a few hundred unarmed Irish civilians by the British Army and their proxies is not a crime now

"But what about the IRA?" I'd get banned if I posted what I'd like to about the individuals who resort to that loathsome sh1t.

steddyeddy · 06-03-2019 10:10PM

the_syco wrote: »

https://www.irishpost.com/news/boris-johnson-defends-bloody-sunday-soldiers-slams-calls-trial-ira-get-away-troubles-crimes-164974

Although Boris is a **** at the best of times, he does have a point.

No he doesn't. IRA members did serve time in jail. Paratroopers didn't serve any.

Odhinn · 06-03-2019 10:49PM

nlrkjos wrote: »

Individual soldiers should not be prosecuted, no matter how bad their actions, they were young, scared and following orders, and that's what soldiers do.I know, following orders has been rejected as an excuse for criminality/murder.

...........

They were veterans of numerous colonial postings, eg Cyprus and Aden. They displayed the same kind of behaviour there as they did later in NI. What they did in Derry and elsewhere was "policing" as inflicted from Asia to the Middle East to Africa by the british. What made the bloody sunday event notorious was that it happened in Europe under the gaze of western media, not the actions of the military.

the_syco · 06-03-2019 10:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I believe killers from a certain war during the 40's are being hunted and prosecuted still.

The Nazi's. Only the Nazi's. Pretty sure Israel is doing the hunting.

Gimme A Pound · 06-03-2019 10:57PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Is it not obvious? He thinks he's superior to poor Paddy.

Even though he is one.

Pkiernan · 06-03-2019 10:59PM

Funny how truth and reconciliation is a one way street for modern day Fenians.

Plumbthedepths · 06-03-2019 11:03PM

the_syco wrote:

The Nazi's. Only the Nazi's. Pretty sure Israel is doing the hunting.

Nah, the Germans have chased after several. The Americans deported several aswell to face trial.

Gimme A Pound · 06-03-2019 11:07PM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Funny how truth and reconciliation is a one way street for modern day Fenians.

Oh here's another one desperately needing to let it be known that they're not one of those nationalist plebs.

Any views on the Bloody Sunday atrocity? Any compassion for the victims' families? On the injustice of the whole thing?

Bloody Sunday paratrooper says he feels no guilt

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