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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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  • #9992
    MayoAreMagic
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    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    And after seven defeats can you tell us why Mayo haven’t got wise to this?

    That is the burning question. My own opinion on it would be that a lot of our main guys only seem to want to carry the ball. We are also very concerned with ball retention. So what tends to happen is we take a solo and a top when it should be moved straightaway, and then pass laterally when there is a lot of bodies in front of us, all the while allowing defensive teams filter back tighter and tighter into their own 45. It exacerbates the thing.
    Blanket defenses have always given us trouble. Dublin done a very similar thing to us in the league the week before,guiding us down channels and then crowding us out.

    I'd also argue that getting men sent off against galway has probably cost us two of those games, that and the quirk that in recent years we always seem to play them in either rain, or a gale or both, which obviously would suit galway more than ourselves. An interesting fixture would be croke park on a fine day.


  • #9993
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    It was windy in salthill last year too, and the time before... In fact the talk coming up to half time was that playing against the wind, mayo would be happy with their first half performance, up until the sending off occurred. The sending off was massive as it effectively took away the wind advantage from mayo in the second half, by allowing galway an extra man in defence.
    As for a pasting, a late goal to win the game hardly represents a pasting in all honesty.

    Re comer, Walsh and burke, the thing with that is, galway are catching mayo on the counter and mayo are falling into the trap out the field. They are in turn isolating their fb line with burke and comer, and as they break they are getting a chance to pick ball into the space for them. I'm not saying they aren't good players, but the thing is kinda falling in their favour. Put them into the mayo team, and swap the two o connors and Doherty for them and I bet the latter 3 start looking like serious players too, while comer and co aren't as effective due to being crowded out and getting no early ball.

    I think you're getting a bit mixed up. Galway beat Mayo comfortably in Salthill last year in grand, if a bit cold conditions. 1-13 to 11 points and the O'Connors didn't get themselves sent off until a couple of mins to go.

    You're basically the first person ive ever heard saying that Galway play to Comer, Burke and Walsh's strengths. Vast majority of fans and basically all of the national media are saying they're matchwinners but our system isn't designed to get the best out of them


  • #9994
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    That is the burning question. My own opinion on it would be that a lot of our main guys only seem to want to carry the ball. We are also very concerned with ball retention. So what tends to happen is we take a solo and a top when it should be moved straightaway, and then pass laterally when there is a lot of bodies in front of us, all the while allowing defensive teams filter back tighter and tighter into their own 45. It exacerbates the thing.
    Blanket defenses have always given us trouble. Dublin done a very similar thing to us in the league the week before,guiding us down channels and then crowding us out.

    I'd also argue that getting men sent off against galway has probably cost us two of those games, that and the quirk that in recent years we always seem to play them in either rain, or a gale or both, which obviously would suit galway more than ourselves. An interesting fixture would be croke park on a fine day.

    Croke Park on a fine day next September.........it’s written in the stars!
    It will be the mother of all sporting events!


  • #9995
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    I think you're getting a bit mixed up. Galway beat Mayo comfortably in Salthill last year in grand, if a bit cold conditions. 1-13 to 11 points and the O'Connors didn't get themselves sent off until a couple of mins to go.

    You're basically the first person ive ever heard saying that Galway play to Comer, Burke and Walsh's strengths. Vast majority of fans and basically all of the national media are saying they're matchwinners but our system isn't designed to get the best out of them

    I'm talking about the championship game... Mayo attitude towards the league up to this year was just to survive in d1, so i wouldnt be placing much on league games in the last few years.

    I didn't say galway play to their strengths in general, I said the way the game pans out with respect to mayo's tactics and galways tactics, tends to suit the forwards of the counter attacking side i.e. galway.

    It is common sense really. Give your inside line a man for man battle and 60 yards of space to run into with their markers isolated, and runners breaking out on the counter with time to pick a pass to these forwards, they are going to prosper. I'd doesn't matter how good your defender is in that scenario, it is just too much of an ask of them as a unit to win that battle every time, the probability that you will concede chances in those circumstances jumps massively.


  • #9996
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,300 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Most people i know going arent too bothered about tickets tbh and they are mostly big gaa fans. If i could have got the time off work to go id have gone even if i knew i wanst getting a ticket. Going to be a mighty Mayo weekend in NYC either way.

    I think that is very much the case.

    As a fixture it's not that appealing but as a long weekend away it is.


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  • #9997
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,457 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Seamie out till the summer
    Huge blow considering our lack of options

    Cillian May be in squad for Kerry game


  • #9998
    Squatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Squatman


    km79 wrote: »
    Seamie out till the summer
    Huge blow considering our lack of options

    Cillian May be in squad for Kerry game

    what happened SOS?


  • #9999
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Squatman wrote: »
    km79 wrote: »
    Seamie out till the summer
    Huge blow considering our lack of options

    Cillian May be in squad for Kerry game

    what happened SOS?
    Done his ankle ligaments in training.


  • #10000
    flasher0030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I'm talking about the championship game... Mayo attitude towards the league up to this year was just to survive in d1, so i wouldnt be placing much on league games in the last few years.

    I didn't say galway play to their strengths in general, I said the way the game pans out with respect to mayo's tactics and galways tactics, tends to suit the forwards of the counter attacking side i.e. galway.

    It is common sense really. Give your inside line a man for man battle and 60 yards of space to run into with their markers isolated, and runners breaking out on the counter with time to pick a pass to these forwards, they are going to prosper. I'd doesn't matter how good your defender is in that scenario, it is just too much of an ask of them as a unit to win that battle every time, the probability that you will concede chances in those circumstances jumps massively.

    Why doesn't every team do this if it's so simple? If it was that straightforward, surely, the Mayo management team would have spent serious amount of time formulating some tactics to counteract that system.
    The simple fact is those forwards are excellent forwards and their quality shines above the defensive maneuvers of opposing teams. It is not a case the Comer, Walsh and Burke are average players and the Galway style of counteracting just suits them. I definitely don't agree that if you switched the 3 Mayo players with the 3 Galway players, that C & D O'Connor and Doherty would shine in the Galway team, whilst Comer, Burke and Walsh's influence would wane.


  • #10001
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    10k post limit on this thread, new one is here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057962937


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