Micky Jackson in trouble again

Boggles wrote: »

I posted it twice. :pac:

I have a feeling you are the sort that believe that all men are guilty of something, even if they haven't been accused.

Good luck with that, I have no interest in engaging anymore.

And do you usually make a habit out of defending grown men sleeping in the same bed as little boys? I’ve a feeling you do....
If you looked though my posting history I’m sure you’ll find I’m actually more than fair and objective in my views, but can’t say I really give a crap about what your opinion is. Also I take it you’ve no proof the other allegations are false? :pac: :pac:
All the best

retro:electro wrote: »

Yes but usually you have to prove an allegation was false in order to confidently state it as such.

Unfortunately, you are correct, that you need to prove your innocence outside of court. In court, you just need to prove it's not true beyond reasonable doubt. It's why I personally think suspects in sexual assault cases shouldn't be named until prosecuted.

Potential-Monke wrote: »

but from what I can recall he wouldn't have been mentally sound to be able to defend himself/give evidence.

Very hard to give evidence yourself when your dead all right. :pac:

Allegations were made in 2012.

Forbes had an timeline that does explain somethings.

Wade Robson when Jackson died.

Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.

That's that so.

Until.

In 2011, Robson approached John Branca, co-executor of the Michael Jackson Estate, about directing the new Michael Jackson/Cirque du Soleil production, ONE. Robson admitted he wanted the job “badly,” but the Estate ultimately chose someone else for the position.

In 2012, Robson had a nervous breakdown, triggered, he said, by an obsessive quest for success. His career, in his own words, began to “crumble.”

That same year, with Robson’s career, finances, and marriage in peril, he began shopping a book that claimed he was sexually abused by Michael Jackson. No publisher picked it up.

In 2013, Robson filed a $1.5 billion dollar civil lawsuit/creditor’s claim, along with James Safechuck, who also spent time with Jackson in the late ‘80s. Safechuck claimed he only realized he may have been abused when Robson filed his lawsuit. That lawsuit was dismissed by a probate court in 2017.

Boggles wrote: »

Very hard to give evidence yourself when your dead all right. :pac:

Allegations were made in 2012.

Forbes had an timeline that does explain somethings.

Wade Robson when Jackson died.



That's that so.

Until.

It's been explained to you numerous times why a victim might say they weren't abused. Wade himself also explained it. I'm guessing if you watch the documentary he might explain it some more. Somehow I doubt there is any amount of explaining that will be satisfactory for you. There's a lot of people who seem to think this documentary is convincing, even previous Jackson defenders. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's been explained to you numerous times why a victim might say they weren't abused. Wade himself also explained it. I'm guessing if you watch the documentary he might explain it some more. Somehow I doubt there is any amount of explaining that will be satisfactory for you. There's a lot of people who seem to think this documentary is convincing, even previous Jackson defenders. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

The expert speaks. Conspiracy theorists eh? .;)

Boggles wrote: »

You mean he didn't realize until he was 30 that anally raping a child was wrong? :pac:

Just so happened that it coincided with him being fooked off at the Jacksons, being broke and the wife about to leave him.

$$$$$$$

Yes, It's possible to not think it was rape because of grooming

From an interview with the director.

Michael was Wade’s lover and his close friend, to whom he owed a great deal in terms of his career and his life. As he says in the film, there was absolutely no way on Earth that he was going to say anything that might put Michael in jail. Period. And that’s a big point that the film builds up to over three hours to make you understand what happened there and why he then changed his story.

Yeah. And that’s why Wade says, “I didn’t consider this to be abuse. I loved Michael and Michael loved me.” That persisted for many years, because that was embedded in his psyche when he was seven. And when we’re that age, we’re so malleable and we form our ideas of normality, right? So, for them, this was a normal, healthy thing. And it’s not until many years later — this is so typical of child sexual abuse — that that structure falls apart and they can no longer hold it together.

The maid was on 60 Minutes Australia.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't know how people continue to defend Jackson when the truth of what he was is there for all to see.

People defend him because the only 2 times he went to court was because of fabricated stories to get money.

It's a weird situation where if there are real victims it's harder for people to believe because of the high profile fake victims.

I haven't watched the documentary yet and I've been very sceptical of Wade Robson in the past. But I'll give it a watch in the next week. You can only judge with the information you have

F*cked up stuff, and I used to defend the guy, really thought it was all bullsh1t.

Adamocovic wrote: »

Louis Theroux on the heels of his new (and somewhat controversial) documentary about sexually assault gives his opinion on the the Michael Jackson accusations.

Big fan of Louis, recorded his show last night and look forward to it. "The Hunting Ground" is another good documentary on a similar subject if you haven't seen it, mentions the behaviour of Tampa Bay quarterback Jameis Winston in his college days, a player who is loved by fans nowadays.

I like Louis' quote in that clip around how we should hold people to a higher standard than just "not criminal"

Maybe I've been guilty of that a little in not believing the Michael Jackson allegations because he wasn't found guilty. But I do believe that it's a bit different than the R Kelly, Harvey Weinstein, Jimmy Savile type cases.

What sticks with me isn't a view that "MJ was not convicted so that = him not doing anything". It's that he was not convicted in cases where the accusers were clearly lying.

So the question is if Wade Robson has closeted these feelings for so long or if he is using an opportunity for himself. Is Brett Barnes in this documentary out of interest? I've read through Robson and Barnes' testimonies from 2005 so I'd be interested to know his perspective as he would have been around at the same time and likely witnessed everything Wade did.

retro:electro wrote: »

Louis has spend enough time around paedos and groomers to be aware of their methodology and seems to know what stinks. “Paying $23million dollars to your accuser doesn’t pass the smell test”.
Bang on.

Same Louis was good friends with Jimmy Savile in fairness and smelt nothing, watch his documentary on him.

In 1993 he was put into a corner though because they filed the civil suit before any criminal charges. They refused to say if they would move on criminal charges after the civil case so it kind of forced his hand because if he beat the civil case they could change the accusations to fit around his defence in the criminal one.

The fact that no criminal case was filed after the civil one was settled is telling I think. Louis is missing a lot of context with one remark. It's general convention to file criminal charges and then pursue compensation after a conviction, not the other way around!

Are you saying that you think something happened with Jordy Chandler?

8-10 wrote: »

Same Louis was good friends with Jimmy Savile in fairness and smelt nothing, watch his documentary on him

I’ve seen it, who hasn’t? And I think that documentary did all it could do at the time. It asks the pertinent questions, he just lies and gives evasive answers. I definitely think it’s not a flattering portrayal of Saville and sure i watched it with the benefit of hindsight, but it does leave you with the sense that all is not quite right there. Louis has since stated that he feels he himself was groomed by Saville. Again, it’s not up to Louis to expose anyone. He’s limited in what he can do without landing himself with a lawsuit. I think in that documentary he manages to get the ball rolling and people talking without doing much prodding and poking.

Are you saying that you think something happened with Jordy Chandler?

I’m saying I believe Jackson was a serial predator, groomer and molester and I believe all of his victims. You can believe what you like.

It's quite possible that a man who brought children who weren't his own into bed with him molested them while at the same time the parents who allowed him to take their kids to bed with him were shítty people and even opportunists. I'd even go so far that it takes a certain kind of parent send their kid to a sleepover with MJ.

But none of that changes the fact that he brought them to bed.

That video is so creepy. He laughs the whole way through serious allegations of interference with young kids and and treats it all as a big joke. Freak.

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'd even go so far that it takes a certain kind of parent send their kid to a sleepover with MJ.

Yeah you really really have to think what their motivation might have been....