Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Conditions were grand in Salthill last year and ye got a bit of a pasting. I get that Galway are defensive and wind/rain probably helps in that respect but at the same time the 3 best forwards on the pitch in any potential future meeting will be Comer, Walsh and Burke. I wouldn't mind a nice dry day for them. If Mayo's strengths are their half back line then the conditions analogy doesn't make sense

Galway have not returned the level of pasting that Mayo gave them under Horan's first stint. Alot of the games have been very close in the last few meetings so these encounters can go either way. It just happens that Galway have won them and then imploded once they get to CP. The opposite has happened to Mayo with the exception of last year.

If we had cut out some stupid mistakes and taken our scores we would have won even playing very poorly on Saturday. We have lots of problems but you would be a fool to think Galway don't have problems as well.

As a Mayo person living in Galway I have to say I always enjoy these matches and the rivalry that goes with them. However lately I’ve seen a perspective develop here in Galway that maybe Mayo people don’t want to recognise...
1. Mayo cannot defend effectively. They’re atrocious actually in every match in particular since Horan took charge. Wide open at the back. Not good enough at the top level. Two experienced players giving away handy frees to Galway who were against the wind, with the game in the balance, ridiculous.
2. Mayo have no forward line - they make hard work of everything, their trademark exciting attacking play at pace is in the past. AND I’M NOT just talking about the Galway game, it's every game. Aimless hand passing around the 45 metre line seems to be the new strategy, going nowhere.
3. Have they still have the hunger to perform at the top level? Do Mayo people keep making excuse after excuse for their star players, who have failed to show up this year yet again in the league. Moran, O Shea, Boyle, Keegan, Higgins would these players based on current form make the Kerry or Dublin team? Not a chance.
4. Maybe Mayo have had too many chances in division 1, and a reality check is needed.
5. Lastly but not least by any means, Mayo GAA social media constantly posting to their ‘fans’ saying ‘make sure you’re at this match’, ‘get yourself to...’. ‘Be there early...’, ‘do the Lotto’. No thanks, no appreciation for the blind faith and financial support their supporters have had in the team over the years, despite some horror shows on offer on the pitch. It’s not good enough Mayo GAA on or off the pitch.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Where did anyone say Galway didn't have their own problems? Go look on the Galway thread, the majority of the posts are negative every week. I was simply responding to yet another excuse, this time blaming conditions. "If conditions were different". "If we had our free taker" "if our players didn't make cowardly hits and get themselves sent off". The only genuine excuse from the last 7 encounters is that Galway were missing half a panel on Saturday, yet they didn't let it bother them.

I don't think anyone is blaming conditions for Mayo loosing as both sides had to play in it. I take it you are giving out about the O'Connors and do you classify the hit on Comer a few years ago as cowardly? I would ask the question why did the two O'Connors hit out? You don't want to listen to what was said to them by your corner back.

You go on about missing half a panel and others are saying galway have a strong panel. I am not sure what your are trying to enforce but from a Mayo point of view we were well off the standard to win this game. If we had played with a little more intensity/deliver the ball in faster and taken our scores we would have won but that is not saying alot.

The funny thing in all this, if we can put up a strong solid performance against Kerry/Monaghan and sneak a win, most Mayo supporters would be happy going into the summer.

Carol25 wrote:

5. Lastly but not least by any means, Mayo GAA social media constantly posting to their ‘fans’ saying ‘make sure you’re at this match’, ‘get yourself to...’. ‘Be there early...’, ‘do the Lotto’. No thanks, no appreciation for the blind faith and financial support their supporters have had in the team over the years, despite some horror shows on offer on the pitch. It’s not good enough Mayo GAA on or off the pitch.

I've heard it all now. Are these people from the county where their county board officials were taking money for themselves?

Carol25 wrote: »

As a Mayo person living in Galway I have to say I always enjoy these matches and the rivalry that goes with them. However lately I’ve seen a perspective develop here in Galway that maybe Mayo people don’t want to recognise...
1. Mayo cannot defend effectively. They’re atrocious actually in every match in particular since Horan took charge. Wide open at the back. Not good enough at the top level. Two experienced players giving away handy frees to Galway who were against the wind, with the game in the balance, ridiculous.
2. Mayo have no forward line - they make hard work of everything, their trademark exciting attacking play at pace is in the past. AND I’M NOT just talking about the Galway game, it's every game. Aimless hand passing around the 45 metre line seems to be the new strategy, going nowhere.
3. Have they still have the hunger to perform at the top level? Do Mayo people keep making excuse after excuse for their star players, who have failed to show up this year yet again in the league. Moran, O Shea, Boyle, Keegan, Higgins would these players based on current form make the Kerry or Dublin team? Not a chance.
4. Maybe Mayo have had too many chances in division 1, and a reality check is needed.
5. Lastly but not least by any means, Mayo GAA social media constantly posting to their ‘fans’ saying ‘make sure you’re at this match’, ‘get yourself to...’. ‘Be there early...’, ‘do the Lotto’. No thanks, no appreciation for the blind faith and financial support their supporters have had in the team over the years, despite some horror shows on offer on the pitch. It’s not good enough Mayo GAA on or off the pitch.

Have you been reading this thread?

Not too many making any excuses on here.

Nobody is forced to go to matches if they don't want to.

We've all got free will.

A minor first world annoyance such as what you've mentioned isn't going to stop me attending.

All county boards are endeavouring to make a few bob.

I see that New York G.A.A. will be announcing on Thursday whether they will be selling advance tickets for the game or not. A capacity of 2,000.........the guts of 5,000 season ticket holders (who will all apply for one, whether they are going themselves or not as they will know someone who is and will want a ticket).......players, officials and their families......the NYC equivalent and their supporters...... While advance ticket sales is the right way to go, I honestly don't see how they can come up with a fair system of how to distribute them. There was wild talk a while back of moving the game to a bigger venue. This should have been the route they explored as it would save everyone a few headaches....

BandMember wrote:

I see that New York G.A.A. will be announcing on Thursday whether they will be selling advance tickets for the game or not. A capacity of 2,000.........the guts of 5,000 season ticket holders (who will all apply for one, whether they are going themselves or not as they will know someone who is and will want a ticket).......players, officials and their families......the NYC equivalent and their supporters...... While advance ticket sales is the right way to go, I honestly don't see how they can come up with a fair system of how to distribute them. There was wild talk a while back of moving the game to a bigger venue. This should have been the route they explored as it would save everyone a few headaches....

Will season ticket holders get dibs on these? I thought it was outside that deal

Carol25 wrote: »

I’m from Mayo living in Galway. I’m not trying to offend anyone on this forum as you’re all very knowledgeable and give great insight.
I’m just a fed up supporter at this stage. I also don’t get why people are actually offended by my mentioning social media posts? Would a thank you not go astray? ‘Thank you to all the loyal supporters who attended the match last night in terrible weather conditions, now onto ....next week for another...’. Do they not deserve even that much?
Why is every match with Mayo involved such hard work? Why don’t they show up and just get the job done against perceived weaker teams? It’s always a drama, a scrape over the line. And at the Mayo v Galway match last May having a good view of Parsons going down, I started to wonder what is all this for. Mayo won’t win SAM anytime soon if they can’t own their problems and solve them.

Westernyelp wrote: »

Will season ticket holders get dibs on these? I thought it was outside that deal

Tis outside the deal.:(

RedDevil55 wrote: »

There is no other venue. Soccer/American football pitches are too small. Season ticket holders won't have any specific right to a ticket. Like the London game in Ruislip you're not guaranteed entry.

Back in 1997 Kerry played Cavan in a place called Randall's Island between Queens and Manhattan.

It was for the 50th anniversary of The Polo Grounds final.

But I see that they demolished that 20k seater stadium in 2002 and replaced it with a 5k seater athletic stadium

Oh well

BandMember wrote: »

The NYC and London fixtures were not included on the Season Ticket as they were "pay on the day" games and there was never an issue with attendance. If the NYC game is an all ticket affair, then all bets are off. Rightly or wrongly, the holders of the season tickets will argue that they should have first dibs. However, as I said already, for a 2,000 capacity ground to accommodate the guts of 5,000 season ticket holders..... You can rest assured that whatever they decide to do, there will be a lot unhappy campers on the day as people will be refused admission at the gate due to the ground being full. They should have seen this coming after the capacity and crowd issues that they had last time out, this isn't something that has suddenly become an issue.

There is no right to tickets for season ticket holders if capacity is less than the amount of valid tickets. Unfortunately as I'm going and getting worried now about sourcing tickets!!

Seamie injured now too ...........

Carol25 wrote: »

seligehgit wrote: »

Fair enough Carol25,we're a bit touchy ATM.:)

No offence taken and great to have a new poster on the thread.

The short answer is supporting the Mayo team is a bit like life in general.Full of ups and downs but most of us would have it no other way.

If you are a great dreamer like the majority of us all are can you just imagine the level of joy if we do finally reach the holy grail.

Scarcely comparable with most counties outside the Banner win in 1995 and Limerick's win this year and first wins for Donegal,Derry,Armagh and Tyrone.

Thank you seligehgit, I normally follow the thread with interest but posted this evening as was feeling a little frustrated after Saturday.
On a positive note, I really admire the Mayo team. They’ve come back again and again and competed at the very top level every time. Small adjustments on each occasion and they’d have won. I just hope they improve from their current state, and some of the newer players are brought on more in the remainder of the league. The older players need them to step up. The Mayo team of 2013 would’ve beaten that Galway team on Saturday night handily enough i think.

I don't know about that. This Galway team are alot stronger than the 2013 Galway team and the biggest thing they have going for them is their believe that Mayo cannot beat them!
Just on your point of perceived weaker teams, the only teams we have lost to in this league is Dublin( who we haven't beaten since 2012) and Galway( who we haven't beaten since 2015). We are the weaker team in both those scenarios like it or not.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The huge demand from Mayo fans was obvious months ago for the NY game. If they have any sense they will sell everything well in advance or there will be chaos at the gate. Who actually has overall responsibility for this game, Connacht Council or NY Board? Im assuming it's CC

The cynical side of me is saying that they want the best of both worlds. If they sold tickets earlier, less people would have travelled knowing they wouldn’t get to the match. People have booked at this stage and paid their money. They want a large travelling crowd to attend fundraisers etc!! So now they are going to turn around and sell tickets!! Great for those lucky enough to get some but worse for those who don’t as they’ve paid a lot of money to go to a game they have no chance of being able to go to.

glack wrote: »

The cynical side of me is saying that they want the best of both worlds. If they sold tickets earlier, less people would have travelled knowing they wouldn’t get to the match. People have booked at this stage and paid their money. They want a large travelling crowd to attend fundraisers etc!! So now they are going to turn around and sell tickets!! Great for those lucky enough to get some but worse for those who don’t as they’ve paid a lot of money to go to a game they have no chance of being able to go to.

Like any game I imagine there would be an allocation for both counties. Knowing where it is being played and the capacity then it should not have been difficult for the CC to have said at the outset roughly what the allocations for each would be and how they would be distributed.
At least it would have been a warning to people to be careful of booking flights and hotels.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Conditions were grand in Salthill last year and ye got a bit of a pasting. I get that Galway are defensive and wind/rain probably helps in that respect but at the same time the 3 best forwards on the pitch in any potential future meeting will be Comer, Walsh and Burke. I wouldn't mind a nice dry day for them. If Mayo's strengths are their half back line then the conditions analogy doesn't make sense

It was windy in salthill last year too, and the time before... In fact the talk coming up to half time was that playing against the wind, mayo would be happy with their first half performance, up until the sending off occurred. The sending off was massive as it effectively took away the wind advantage from mayo in the second half, by allowing galway an extra man in defence.
As for a pasting, a late goal to win the game hardly represents a pasting in all honesty.

Re comer, Walsh and burke, the thing with that is, galway are catching mayo on the counter and mayo are falling into the trap out the field. They are in turn isolating their fb line with burke and comer, and as they break they are getting a chance to pick ball into the space for them. I'm not saying they aren't good players, but the thing is kinda falling in their favour. Put them into the mayo team, and swap the two o connors and Doherty for them and I bet the latter 3 start looking like serious players too, while comer and co aren't as effective due to being crowded out and getting no early ball.