The term Ban Garda might make a comeback...

Atlantic Dawn · 01-03-2019 11:39PM #1

The French are bringing in feminine versions of job titles, could it be the return to the use of the term Ban Garda to describe a female Garda here?

Decades after other French-speaking countries adopted feminine names for professions, the official guardians of the language in France have also backed the change.

The Acade franse, whose members are known as "immortals", has said it has no obstacle in principle to such a "natural evolution" of French.
Feminine forms for jobs like prosecutor or firefighter are already often used.
But until recently the academy objected to such changes as "barbaric".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47414140

01-03-2019 11:46PM

The French have never dropped the gender distinction between most job titles (it's a minor debate in France, at best), and most French people I've met are bewildered by our fixation with it.

Also, the Académie Française is not a liberal body, and its views shouldn't be regarded as progressive or as augering a progressive shift in language.

**Also: Bean Garda.

KathleenGrant · 01-03-2019 11:48PM

See nothing wrong with it but presume I am in the minority.

Autecher · 01-03-2019 11:50PM

If we can go back to calling female guards Ban Garda then that's feminism over for me.

The Satanist · 01-03-2019 11:59PM

What's Trans-Garda as Gaeilge?

Guy:Incognito · 02-03-2019 12:08AM

Is a bean gard the lad on the front gate in Heinz?

Guy:Incognito · 02-03-2019 12:08AM

The Satanist wrote: »

What's Trans-Garda as Gaeilge?

Optimus?

sk8erboii · 02-03-2019 12:27AM

French has always had gendered nouns.

beerpong · 02-03-2019 12:29AM

The bean garda would want to be careful of all the bachelors!

The Crowman · 02-03-2019 12:31AM

beerpong wrote: »

The bean garda would want to be careful of all the bachelors!

Lock up your daughters, Beany and Barney are hitting the town.

02-03-2019 12:32AM

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

KathleenGrant · 02-03-2019 12:40AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

French has always had gendered nouns.

Love it!

02-03-2019 12:41AM

Candie wrote: »

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

My Mum's birth certificate describes her Mum as a farmeress. Or it may have been her Mum's death certificate. Had to look at it twice before I even understood what it meant.

Seems it was a reasonably common term a few decades ago.

Ted Johnson · 02-03-2019 12:57AM

Are the soyboys and wokebros in favour of this or appalled by it's 'sexism'?

professore · 02-03-2019 01:03AM

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

KathleenGrant · 02-03-2019 01:05AM

professore wrote: »

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

Me either but there will be others with an opposing view

02-03-2019 01:41AM

professore wrote: »

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

I agree. I think it was far more relevant during the second wave (or was it the first wave?) of feminism when women were assumed to be naturally inferior to men.

Nowadays, if given the choice, I'd opt to be seen by a doctoress above a doctor! That's probably quite sexist, but anecdotally I have always thought female doctors were a little more rigorous in examining me whenever I've had a tumble or similar mishap.

holliehobbie · 02-03-2019 01:53AM

Isn't it Ban garda? Not Bean garda.

kowloon · 02-03-2019 01:57AM

Candie wrote: »

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

I think you mean your Grandmotheress.

Bannasidhe · 02-03-2019 01:58AM

Ban Garda and Man Garda. :P

02-03-2019 01:58AM

holliehobbie wrote: »

Isn't it Ban garda? Not Bean garda.

Ban Garda makes no sense. What does it mean?

Bean Garda is the equivalent of Female Guard

Bannasidhe · 02-03-2019 02:00AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ban Garda makes no sense. What does it mean?

Means the guard is white.

We could have Bán Bean Garda.

RhubarbCrumble · 02-03-2019 02:09AM

Candie wrote: »

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

My mother refers to 'lady doctors'. "We had to go to A&E last night and it was a lady doctor"
Drives me fcuking insane! She never feels the need to say 'a man doctor'

Dank Janniels · 02-03-2019 03:00AM

Whos the sexy bean garda.... Whos the sexy bean garda.... Na na na nah!!!!!

the beer revolu · 02-03-2019 10:35AM

professore wrote: »

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

I really don't see how gendered job titles are in any way necessary. What is the point of them?

suicide_circus · 02-03-2019 11:04AM

flick the Bean Garda

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 02-03-2019 11:20AM

Once they bring back the skirts I'll be happy.

blade1 · 02-03-2019 11:24AM

beerpong wrote: »

The bean garda would want to be careful of all the bachelors!

No, they'd want to be careful,or they'll end up in the can!

dudara · 02-03-2019 11:24AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ban Garda makes no sense. What does it mean?

Bean Garda is the equivalent of Female Guard

The title was “Ban Garda”. Can’t remember the grammatical reason but “bean” changes to “ban” for the title

Having female variants of jobs/professions feels redundant. A female version should only be there if it adds something different.

alchemist33 · 02-03-2019 11:24AM

The Satanist wrote: »

What's Trans-Garda as Gaeilge?

Trasna Garda

Westernyelp · 02-03-2019 11:44AM

RhubarbCrumble wrote:

My mother refers to 'lady doctors'. "We had to go to A&E last night and it was a lady doctor" Drives me fcuking insane! She never feels the need to say 'a man doctor'

Yes. But similarly you always hear. Male nurse. And never female nurse. Which I know annoys a lot of those lads.

The term Ban Garda might make a comeback...

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