The term Ban Garda might make a comeback...

Atlantic Dawn

The French are bringing in feminine versions of job titles, could it be the return to the use of the term Ban Garda to describe a female Garda here?

Decades after other French-speaking countries adopted feminine names for professions, the official guardians of the language in France have also backed the change.


The Acade franse, whose members are known as "immortals", has said it has no obstacle in principle to such a "natural evolution" of French.
Feminine forms for jobs like prosecutor or firefighter are already often used.
But until recently the academy objected to such changes as "barbaric".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47414140

The French have never dropped the gender distinction between most job titles (it's a minor debate in France, at best), and most French people I've met are bewildered by our fixation with it.

Also, the Académie Française is not a liberal body, and its views shouldn't be regarded as progressive or as augering a progressive shift in language.

**Also: Bean Garda.

KathleenGrant

See nothing wrong with it but presume I am in the minority.

Autecher

If we can go back to calling female guards Ban Garda then that's feminism over for me.

The Satanist

What's Trans-Garda as Gaeilge?

Guy:Incognito

Is a bean gard the lad on the front gate in Heinz?

Guy:Incognito

The Satanist wrote: »

What's Trans-Garda as Gaeilge?

Optimus?

sk8erboii

French has always had gendered nouns.

beerpong

The bean garda would want to be careful of all the bachelors!

The Crowman

beerpong wrote: »

The bean garda would want to be careful of all the bachelors!

Lock up your daughters, Beany and Barney are hitting the town.

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

KathleenGrant

sk8erboii wrote: »

French has always had gendered nouns.

Love it!

Candie

Candie wrote: »

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

My Mum's birth certificate describes her Mum as a farmeress. Or it may have been her Mum's death certificate. Had to look at it twice before I even understood what it meant.

Seems it was a reasonably common term a few decades ago.

Ted Johnson

Are the soyboys and wokebros in favour of this or appalled by it's 'sexism'?

professore

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

KathleenGrant

professore wrote: »

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

Me either but there will be others with an opposing view

professore

professore wrote: »

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

I agree. I think it was far more relevant during the second wave (or was it the first wave?) of feminism when women were assumed to be naturally inferior to men.

Nowadays, if given the choice, I'd opt to be seen by a doctoress above a doctor! That's probably quite sexist, but anecdotally I have always thought female doctors were a little more rigorous in examining me whenever I've had a tumble or similar mishap.

holliehobbie

Isn't it Ban garda? Not Bean garda.

kowloon

Candie wrote: »

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

I think you mean your Grandmotheress.

Bannasidhe

Ban Garda and Man Garda. :P

holliehobbie

holliehobbie wrote: »

Isn't it Ban garda? Not Bean garda.

Ban Garda makes no sense. What does it mean?

Bean Garda is the equivalent of Female Guard

Bannasidhe

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ban Garda makes no sense. What does it mean?

Means the guard is white.

We could have Bán Bean Garda.

RhubarbCrumble

Candie wrote: »

My granny refers to women managers as manageresses and it sounds so quaint and outdated.

My mother refers to 'lady doctors'. "We had to go to A&E last night and it was a lady doctor"
Drives me fcuking insane! She never feels the need to say 'a man doctor'

Dank Janniels

Whos the sexy bean garda.... Whos the sexy bean garda.... Na na na nah!!!!!

the beer revolu

professore wrote: »

Really don't see how gendered job titles are discriminatory.

I really don't see how gendered job titles are in any way necessary. What is the point of them?

suicide_circus

flick the Bean Garda

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Once they bring back the skirts I'll be happy.

blade1

beerpong wrote: »

The bean garda would want to be careful of all the bachelors!

No, they'd want to be careful,or they'll end up in the can!

dudara

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ban Garda makes no sense. What does it mean?

Bean Garda is the equivalent of Female Guard

The title was “Ban Garda”. Can’t remember the grammatical reason but “bean” changes to “ban” for the title

Having female variants of jobs/professions feels redundant. A female version should only be there if it adds something different.

alchemist33

The Satanist wrote: »

What's Trans-Garda as Gaeilge?

Trasna Garda

Westernyelp

RhubarbCrumble wrote:

My mother refers to 'lady doctors'. "We had to go to A&E last night and it was a lady doctor" Drives me fcuking insane! She never feels the need to say 'a man doctor'

Yes. But similarly you always hear. Male nurse. And never female nurse. Which I know annoys a lot of those lads.

dudara

dudara wrote: »

The title was “Ban Garda”. Can’t remember the grammatical reason but “bean” changes to “ban” for the title

actually, you're right.

I was thinking 'Bean' was the object and Garda was modifying it, but actually it should be Garda that's the object. So according to our old enemy the Tuiseal Ginideach, Bean should change to Ban in that case.

I'm going to have a nightmare about the leaving cert tonight, after typing that.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Westernyelp wrote: »

Yes. But similarly you always hear. Male nurse. And never female nurse. Which I know annoys a lot of those lads.

Whenever a profession is dominated by one gender, people often remark when they see someone of the minority gender doing that job.

A relative's young daughter came home from school at the start of the school year and said, "Mammy, I have a new teacher, and he's a man."

Given that only 13 percent of Irish primary school teachers are men, getting a male teacher is now a noteworthy event for children.

Similarly, even though female Gardai now make up around 25 percent of the force, some people still feel compelled to make note when they see one.

However, terms such as "lady doctor" have fallen into disuse now that the majority of Irish doctors are women.

Cee-Jay-Cee

KathleenGrant wrote: »

See nothing wrong with it but presume I am in the minority.

No your in the majority however due to our incessant pandering to the snowflake generation we have to bow to the minority....as usual.

kowloon

dudara wrote: »

Having female variants of jobs/professions feels redundant. A female version should only be there if it adds something different.

I don't bother with any of it. Sometimes we need to rein in the language, simple can be good.