Climate change or weather

Allow me to be the first to say, climate change.

This time last yr Britain and Ire were covered in snow.

This freaks the bejaysus out of me.

It is totally unnatural.

Things like this are weather if they happen less frequently than once a generation, and climate change if they start happening let's say once every five years. Somewhere in between, the debate begins.

Within the science, the debate goes like this at present ...

"It's weather, you can expect this if it's equally cold (in relative terms) somewhere else" (as it has been recently in the western U.S. for example).

"No, that's still climate change, we have changed the balance in the arctic, so the polar vortex sometimes shows up in odd places now like Nevada in the current example."

"But in colder centuries that we are trying to return the climate to, according to you, that was more often the case too. So how do you tell the two reasons apart, and if you get the same result anyway, why are we worried about it?"

and so on and so forth.

To give some idea how rare the current warmth is, only February of 1869 seems to have produced a spell of equally unusual warmth lasting over four days. It was earlier in that February so the daily record temperatures are a bit lower. Then mid-March of 1957 had a spell that looks about the same as this one. So within a month of now, this is the third time in 150 years. Last year's severe cold and heavy snow at this time of year was about the same. It could be compared to events in 1785, 1845 and 1947.

I think it's basically weather with a bit of an exclamation point from human contributions to the overall warming. We didn't cause it but we may be responsible for the last degree of warmth.

It's called de weather, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, anyone thinking man can control it is a fool. This time last year it was global cooling, this year it's global warming, next year it might just be grand.

Our weather will likely be too unstable to support them.

The did an amazing job in Canada where they spliced grape vines into the roots of apple trees, the vines are therefore able to survive the weather, this has lead to a Canadian wine industry that was previously considered impossible, so never say never

Climate Change is great fodder for our constant crisis 24 hour news cycle clickbait way of life.

Everyone panic AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

mariaalice wrote: »

It hit 19 degrees in Manchester today and here its like a day in May, so rapid climate change or still just weather.

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

Nah - there will be regual massive storms that would rip the vines up

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly. Really hard to understand why some peoole are vehement climate change deniers. But then truth nowadays just isnt believed by some.

In the last 50 years scientists told us we were heading in to an ice age, later they told us burning fossil fuels was causing global warming, if you believed them you would buy a larger engined car.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly. Really hard to understand why some peoole are vehement climate change deniers. But then truth nowadays just isnt believed by some.

I think climate change deniers don't want to believe the hard truth that they would have to change their way of life to fix the problem. They'd rather deny it's happening than entertain the thought of giving up their luxuries.

Cina wrote: »

I think climate change deniers don't want to believe the hard truth that they would have to change their way of life to fix the problem. They'd rather deny it's happening than entertain the thought of giving up their luxuries.

i dont think its that simple, for some yeah maybe but there are people who genuinely and in good faith dont buy into it.

Cina wrote: »

Sure what has science ever proven anyway?

science dosnt have a 100% track record. alchemy was science at one stage.

Just so people are aware humans are responsible for point two or three of one percent of greenhouse gases.

Greenhouse gases are three or four percent of the atmosphere.

Discodog wrote: »

It's the potential side effects that could give us a big problem. The Gulf Stream depends on salinity. If enough ice melts, the Gulf Stream will stop & we will have the same climate as Canada - snow for months.

Why will this just affect us on this small island, why not the whole of northern Europe?