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It hit 19 degrees in Manchester today and here its like a day in May, so rapid climate change or still just weather.

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

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Dial Hard

mariaalice wrote: »

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

Unlikely. Our weather will likely be too unstable to support them.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html

Deebles McBeebles

Allow me to be the first to say, climate change.

[Deleted User]

Dial Hard wrote: »

Unlikely. Our weather will likely be too unstable to support them.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html

Thant's depressing.

DEFTLEFTHAND

This time last yr Britain and Ire were covered in snow.

Deebles McBeebles

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This time last yr Britain and Ire were covered in snow.

Just wait til next year, fireballs. Get your titanium umbrella out from under the stairs.

Say Your Number

Went for a walk early Sunday morning in fairly light clothes and I was sweating, while a lot of people are enjoying it, I just find the whole thing unnnerving .

Grayson

Dial Hard wrote: »

Unlikely. Our weather will likely be too unstable to support them.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html

Each section of that article is more and more depressing. It's enough to wish Trump was right.

Teyla Emmagan

This freaks the bejaysus out of me.

It is totally unnatural.

Harry Palmr

Climate is the accumulation of weather over a long time.

Before the Trump voters get onboard this thread it's worth pointing out the main effect of climate change is not warmer or colder its extremes - which can and will be dramatic warmth, cold, dry, wet and at any time of the year - essentially we are heading for the end of seasonal weather in this latitude - soon all we will have is "weather" which by random turns will be cold, hot, wet, dry, windy, calm and the very concept of planning crops will be a thing of the past. Everyone will be winging it.

and that's assuming there are any pollinators and soil enriching invertebrates left.

M.T. Cranium

Things like this are weather if they happen less frequently than once a generation, and climate change if they start happening let's say once every five years. Somewhere in between, the debate begins.

Within the science, the debate goes like this at present ...

"It's weather, you can expect this if it's equally cold (in relative terms) somewhere else" (as it has been recently in the western U.S. for example).

"No, that's still climate change, we have changed the balance in the arctic, so the polar vortex sometimes shows up in odd places now like Nevada in the current example."

"But in colder centuries that we are trying to return the climate to, according to you, that was more often the case too. So how do you tell the two reasons apart, and if you get the same result anyway, why are we worried about it?"

and so on and so forth.

To give some idea how rare the current warmth is, only February of 1869 seems to have produced a spell of equally unusual warmth lasting over four days. It was earlier in that February so the daily record temperatures are a bit lower. Then mid-March of 1957 had a spell that looks about the same as this one. So within a month of now, this is the third time in 150 years. Last year's severe cold and heavy snow at this time of year was about the same. It could be compared to events in 1785, 1845 and 1947.

I think it's basically weather with a bit of an exclamation point from human contributions to the overall warming. We didn't cause it but we may be responsible for the last degree of warmth.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Grayson wrote: »

Each section of that article is more and more depressing. It's enough to wish Trump was right.

Generally considered exaggerated.

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/scientists-explain-what-new-york-magazine-article-on-the-uninhabitable-earth-gets-wrong-david-wallace-wells/

Atlantic Dawn

It's called de weather, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, anyone thinking man can control it is a fool. This time last year it was global cooling, this year it's global warming, next year it might just be grand.

Trump Is Right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Us humans have relatively short memories about our climate, and how much it changes even in relatively short periods of time...

smurfjed

Our weather will likely be too unstable to support them.

The did an amazing job in Canada where they spliced grape vines into the roots of apple trees, the vines are therefore able to survive the weather, this has lead to a Canadian wine industry that was previously considered impossible, so never say never

listermint

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's called de weather, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, anyone thinking man can control it is a fool. This time last year it was global cooling, this year it's global warming, next year it might just be grand.

Except the majority of science agrees climate change is in action right now.

suicide_circus

Climate Change is great fodder for our constant crisis 24 hour news cycle clickbait way of life.

Everyone panic AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

smurfjed

For my day job, I need to review the weather and weather patterns everyday, and I have to tell you that things are changing in my local area, we are getting excessive amounts of rainfall, monsoon patterns appear to have moved further north and even the ICTZ appears to be further north than historic recordings. Is all of this created by man, I have no idea.

Annasopra

mariaalice wrote: »

It hit 19 degrees in Manchester today and here its like a day in May, so rapid climate change or still just weather.

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

Nah - there will be regual massive storms that would rip the vines up

Annasopra

listermint wrote: »

Except the majority of science agrees climate change is in action right now.

Exactly. Really hard to understand why some peoole are vehement climate change deniers. But then truth nowadays just isnt believed by some.

Atlantic Dawn

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly. Really hard to understand why some peoole are vehement climate change deniers. But then truth nowadays just isnt believed by some.

In the last 50 years scientists told us we were heading in to an ice age, later they told us burning fossil fuels was causing global warming, if you believed them you would buy a larger engined car.

OldMrBrennan83

It's just weather. Most of this climate change stuff is piss and wind and just another fabricated means of taxation.

And even if there is something in it, it won't affect us anyway. We'll get a few nicer summers and be long gone.

Cina

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly. Really hard to understand why some peoole are vehement climate change deniers. But then truth nowadays just isnt believed by some.

I think climate change deniers don't want to believe the hard truth that they would have to change their way of life to fix the problem. They'd rather deny it's happening than entertain the thought of giving up their luxuries.

Discodog

It's the potential side effects that could give us a big problem. The Gulf Stream depends on salinity. If enough ice melts, the Gulf Stream will stop & we will have the same climate as Canada - snow for months.

suicide_circus

Cina wrote: »

I think climate change deniers don't want to believe the hard truth that they would have to change their way of life to fix the problem. They'd rather deny it's happening than entertain the thought of giving up their luxuries.

i dont think its that simple, for some yeah maybe but there are people who genuinely and in good faith dont buy into it.

Cina

suicide_circus wrote: »

i dont think its that simple, for some yeah maybe but there are people who genuinely and in good faith dont buy into it.

Sure what has science ever proven anyway?

suicide_circus

Cina wrote: »

Sure what has science ever proven anyway?

science dosnt have a 100% track record. alchemy was science at one stage.

PokeHerKing

listermint wrote:

Except the majority of science agrees climate change is in action right now.

Im pretty sure climate change has been constant throughout earths history.

The debate is how quickly its currently happening , how that current rate of change measures up against historic rate of changes and how measurable mankind's input is on that rate of change.

The above is not easily quantifiable and the majority of scientists are NOT in agreement on it.

kneemos

Just so people are aware humans are responsible for point two or three of one percent of greenhouse gases.

Greenhouse gases are three or four percent of the atmosphere.

Franz Von Peppercorn

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Im pretty sure climate change has been constant throughout earths history.

The debate is how quickly its currently happening , how that current rate of change measures up against historic rate of changes and how measurable mankind's input is on that rate of change.

The above is not easily quantifiable and the majority of scientists are NOT in agreement on it.

The vast majority of scientists do believe in AGW.

klaaaz

Discodog wrote: »

It's the potential side effects that could give us a big problem. The Gulf Stream depends on salinity. If enough ice melts, the Gulf Stream will stop & we will have the same climate as Canada - snow for months.

Why will this just affect us on this small island, why not the whole of northern Europe?