Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2018/2019

~Rebel~ wrote: »

You’re talking like there’s some sort of “us Vs them” in what I’m talking about. There isn’t.

So I am a lurker, but will start by saying I thin you are generally a good poster.

However the "us vs them" thing is interesting as you said only a few posts ago that it was unreasonable to accuse "me and other Liverpool fans" of trying to derail the thread/antagonise on the subjectnof Ole/Poch.

You yourself have raised nothing but reasonable points in a fair manner. The poster who is uninterested in the CL qualification challengers but wants Ole to get the job as he's bound to fail is not like you. You and other Liverpool fans are different. It's not us vs them unless "us" are sound and "them" are not...

jaykay74 wrote: »

Any early team news for Saturday? Be interesting to see if some of the injured are back.

Heading to the game, my first since the europa league final.

Bringing the thread back on topic, reported.

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I really hate just adding to the nonsense, but just look back over the past few pages at who has derailed it.

We know exactly who derailed it, the poster who wandered in and left a turd on the floor knowing exactly what he was doing and what he wanted to achieve.

The only two decent sides faced had ye camping out with a flat back 6 ala Jose which is acceptable to Utd at this moment

Going to the match tomorrow, last match I was at was the cup match against Derby, let's hope I've not become an unlucky charm. :pac:

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I really hate just adding to the nonsense, but just look back over the past few pages at who has derailed it. Any mention of liverpool has come from Utd fans. The mention of some combined 11 came from a Utd fan. All the derailment of 'fans from t'other side' has come from Utd fans.

Myself and the other liverpool fan were actively trying to have a discussion about the merits of Ole V Poch. And instead of a single post answering any point I raised, there's just complaints that I posted at all.

I have no interest in stoking up 'banter', i post in whatever thread looks a bit active during the Irish night time (or daytime for me).

If people just stuck to the thread title, we'd all be grand.

I've been coasting through the thread so will have a look back at the points. I've written a bit about my views of Poch versus Ole in the past, a lot of points people will disagree with.

Firstly I don't buy the narrative that Ole lacks experience, yes his success and best experience has come in the Norwegian League and with the United reserves, which many don't value but he's been coaching long time (longer than Poch).

I don't think Ole get's enough credit from some who say he's only there because he's an ex player, certainly a factor but saying that does him an injustice I think. It's funny enough that Poch's career or breakthrough really came from him being an ex-player thrown into a manager role of his club, with no previous experience I believe.

I rate Poch a lot, really like him but I would much rather we continued with Ole and see where this goes than completely changing ship again. It's been talked over and over but there's no denying he has some great experience tapping into the knowledge of Fergie, knows the club and what the fans want, managed a lot of the players at underage so already has had relationships with them and knows what their capable of, and he's built a great team around him. His analytic brain when it comes to the game has been noted previously before he got the job as extremely impressive (years on the bench I suppose!) and I've posted many times but Beckham around 7-8 years ago mentioned he could be a future United manager after Fergie.

He's won over the players, implimenting style and formation to get the best out of them and generally improving them. This isn't the first time he's rebuilt a former club that he played for and coached youths for, so for me I feel it can be sustainable.

Our fanbase, dressing room and overall feel has been divided and up and down since Fergie left. For once in those years we've had a great consistent stretch of optimism and a feel good factor where things are looking to improve. I think making a change now would ruin the work that has been done and set us back to a rebuild mode from scratch. New manager, brings in his own staff and will need to build relationships with the players again and go through the period of deciding who's staying, who's going and who's our targets. Ole has been afforded time to do this already.

In my opinion it's not worth scraping the progress that's being done in fear that Ole can't continue it or that he isn't a big enough name. People might refer to it as pre-emptive but he's most certainly done enough already to warrant the job in my eyes.

As a Liverpool fan I can tell you my view has changed from hoping Solsjkaer gets the job to hoping he doesn't. Genuinely think he should be in the mix for manager of the year, certainly if he gets them into the CL or heaven forbid wins the thing. Utd at Anfield this year was the worst performance I remember from them there. He's breaking records with the same team. Ultimately it may not work out, football's a fickle business but I don't think there's a serious debate that he won't be given the chance.

Cookiemunster wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SimonPeach/status/1101421821990133761


Everyone else was already announced as being out for a few weeks.

Here was Ole's initial quote.

I don’t think there will be many changes. We have got the last session today, but w are not going to risk anyone if they are not 100 per cent. So let’s see tomorrow when we wake up.

The squad will be looking similar, still. Maybe one third of it will be Academy kids - maybe even more. So that is a good point to take out of it.

He then followed it up with this which I had not seen.

It's the last session today but we're not going take any risks. Maybe Anthony, but it might just be a few more days before he's ready, so probably the squad will look similar to what it did at Wednesday.

But to me that reads as we are more than likely going to have the same squad tomorrow.