Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-02-2019 09:56AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It might be helpful if we began to get back to some more fundamental questions such as why the wages paid by private companies should determine family size, 300 years after the age of Enlightenment.

That's an extremely simplistic argument. Real wages in Ireland are substantially higher today than they were in the 1960s, and yet family size has fallen significantly since that time. If family size were a simple linear function of wages paid by private corporations, we would expect to see the reverse effect: family size should have increased as wage levels increased. In reality, as Ireland became more affluent, family size decreased.

It's more realistic to say that family size is inversely correlated with the educational and economic opportunities available to women. In Ireland at present, around 55 percent of women aged 25 to 34 have third-level qualifications. Many of these women are pursuing careers and have ambitions besides just being mothers. Although many young Irish women do want children, most in this age group today would say that their ideal family size is 1, 2, or 3 kids. Relatively few women have 7, 8, or 9 children, as was common in the past -- not because the wages paid to them are too low, but because they want to balance motherhood with numerous other things they want to do in their lives.

BattleCorp · 28-02-2019 09:58AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

but one of the arguments that I thought was worthy of further discussion was why women (or, parents) should feel like they need to limit their families because they are too poor to have a child.

I'm not trying to be harsh here but I think you are wrong. People shouldn't have children if they can't afford them. I'm not equating children to horses but do you think it's ok to get a horse if you don't have the resources to look after it? Why not get two horses if you have no way of looking after them. Or three, or four, or five, or six, or seven, or eight..............

I think it's very irresponsible to have heaps of kids when you can't look after them.

Plumbthedepths · 28-02-2019 10:03AM

Ruraldweller56 wrote:

It's absolutely possible to have a certain amount of kids, .......

especially if the fools that work are picking up the tab to feed/clothe and house the children of the likes of Cash.

suicide_circus · 28-02-2019 10:05AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I think it's very irresponsible to have heaps of kids when you can't look after them.

it isn't irresponsible because they can afford the kids. now obviously this is via other people's money through the welfare state but as this is an entirely legitimate lifestyle choice and source of income for some, from their point of view, it's A-OK.

Sweet.Science · 28-02-2019 10:06AM

I love the way people think they are paying for her lifestyle and her house etc

The government are providing her with it. People should really stay out of it what she gets is none of their business

NIMAN · 28-02-2019 10:09AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I love the way people think they are paying for her lifestyle and her house etc

The government are providing her with it. People should really stay out of it what she gets is none of their business

... and the Gov get their money from ......?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-02-2019 10:09AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I love the way people think they are paying for her lifestyle and her house etc

The government are providing her with it.

Where does the government get the money that it uses to house and support Margaret Cash?

Plumbthedepths · 28-02-2019 10:09AM

Sweet.Science wrote:

The government are providing her with it. People should really stay out of it what she gets is none of their business

Ah come on, you made a better effort a couple of days ago. Be edgy you might get more reaction. ;-)

BattleCorp · 28-02-2019 10:14AM

There are people in this thread who are either trolling or absolutely stupid and believe that there's a money tree somewhere that allows everybody to get everything that they want without having to work for it.

I'm purposely not going to engage with any of their nonsense.

28-02-2019 10:39AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I love the way people think they are paying for her lifestyle and her house etc

The government are providing her with it. People should really stay out of it what she gets is none of their business

NIMAN wrote: »

... and the Gov get their money from ......?

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Where does the government get the money that it uses to house and support Margaret Cash?

BattleCorp wrote: »

There are people in this thread who are either trolling or absolutely stupid and believe that there's a money tree somewhere that allows everybody to get everything that they want without having to work for it.

I'm purposely not going to engage with any of their nonsense.

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punisher5112 · 28-02-2019 11:03AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I love the way people think they are paying for her lifestyle and her house etc

The government are providing her with it. People should really stay out of it what she gets is none of their business

Oh sweet jaysus

suicide_circus · 28-02-2019 11:20AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Oh sweet jaysus

Deebles McBeebles · 28-02-2019 11:30AM

BBFAN wrote: »

This "settled people dumping rubbish in traveller camps" joke is getting so old.

There are tons of "settled people" fly tipping all over the country and they've been caught and fined for it so lets not pretend that it's not happening.

Also, I know tons of people that are paying any old joe to take away their rubbish for 5 euro a bag and they don't give a **** where it goes after there.

Both of these type of people are just as bad as travellers but that's okay cause they're settled and they all work hard for their money, none of them at all are on social welfare.

Any more opinions you want to attribute to myself and other regular posters on this thread? I have yet to see anyone say anything like that but maybe you should start a thread on fly tipping and we'll see. You have a habit of posting this nonsense but never answering when questioned about your apparent support of a medieval community.

KrustyUCC · 28-02-2019 11:39AM

I don't think this "settled people dumping rubbish in traveller camps" joke is getting so old

One of the funniest post ever on Boards

It deserves it notoriety

suicide_circus · 28-02-2019 11:49AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I don't think this "settled people dumping rubbish in traveller camps" joke is getting so old

One of the funniest post ever on Boards

It deserves it notoriety

it may actually get funnier every time. it matures like a fine wine.

KrustyUCC · 28-02-2019 11:53AM

That it does

The Travellers at Spring Lane are doubling down

Travellers: Use cleaned-up dump to provide accommodation for us

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Travellers-Use-cleaned-up-dump-to-provide-accommodation-for-us-3091d48d-6e0e-428a-a96f-b6243ee61438-ds

Yeah spend €53,000 cleaning up the site only to provide accommodation to the people who made the mess lol

That suggestion has not gone down well locally or on the comments section of the Echo

Ruraldweller56 · 28-02-2019 11:57AM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

That's an extremely simplistic argument. Real wages in Ireland are substantially higher today than they were in the 1960s, and yet family size has fallen significantly since that time. If family size were a simple linear function of wages paid by private corporations, we would expect to see the reverse effect: family size should have increased as wage levels increased. In reality, as Ireland became more affluent, family size decreased.

It's more realistic to say that family size is inversely correlated with the educational and economic opportunities available to women. In Ireland at present, around 55 percent of women aged 25 to 34 have third-level qualifications. Many of these women are pursuing careers and have ambitions besides just being mothers. Although many young Irish women do want children, most in this age group today would say that their ideal family size is 1, 2, or 3 kids. Relatively few women have 7, 8, or 9 children, as was common in the past -- not because the wages paid to them are too low, but because they want to balance motherhood with numerous other things they want to do in their lives.

And an irrelevant one anyway.

These people don't not use contraception because the church tells them it's wrong. They don't bother because the state is literally paying them not to.

The religion slant is a red herring. More of 'but our culture boss' to cover up having 7 kids at 28 and a wage of about €70,000 for doing nothing.

Ri_Nollaig · 28-02-2019 12:07PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That it does

The Travellers at Spring Lane are doubling down

Travellers: Use cleaned-up dump to provide accommodation for us

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Travellers-Use-cleaned-up-dump-to-provide-accommodation-for-us-3091d48d-6e0e-428a-a96f-b6243ee61438-ds

Yeah spend €53,000 cleaning up the site only to provide accommodation to the people who made the mess lol

That suggestion has not gone down well locally or on the comments section of the Echo

These Traveller lobbying groups put the likes of 'Sweet.Science' to shame with their epic level trolling.

KrustyUCC · 28-02-2019 12:35PM

Sad thing is they are deadly serious about being given the land by the City Council

Will cry racism when they don't get their way

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-02-2019 12:49PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

These people don't not use contraception because the church tells them it's wrong. They don't bother because the state is literally paying them not to.

I suspect that "it's against our religion" is just a socially acceptable cover story. The vast majority of Catholics do use birth control nowadays, regardless of what the Church says. For Travellers, the real purpose of all these kids is to boost social welfare payments rather than to abide by Church teachings.

tuxy · 28-02-2019 01:00PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

I suspect that "it's against our religion" is just a socially acceptable cover story. The vast majority of Catholics do use birth control nowadays, regardless of what the Church says. For Travellers, the real purpose of all these kids is to boost social welfare payments rather than to abide by Church teachings.

Are you saying that Catholics from all walks of life tend to just pick and choose the parts of the religion they like and it makes absolutely no difference to the morality of the person?

Deebles McBeebles · 28-02-2019 01:06PM

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

These Traveller lobbying groups put the likes of 'Sweet.Science' to shame with their epic level trolling.

:pac:

"Along with the clean-up, there needs to be a proactive plan to prevent future rubbish dumping."

I mean....

ohnonotgmail · 28-02-2019 01:08PM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

:pac:

"Along with the clean-up, there needs to be a proactive plan to prevent future rubbish dumping."

I mean....

they should consider surrounding the site with a moat filled with crocodiles

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 28-02-2019 01:08PM

tuxy wrote: »

Are you saying that Catholics from all walks of life tend to just pick and choose the parts of the religion they like and it makes absolutely no difference to the morality of the person?

I'm not making any moral judgement, just pointing out the fact that the majority of Catholics nowadays disregard the Church's stance on contraception.

A recent Pew Research survey of Catholics in the United States found that just 8 percent said contraception is morally wrong, with 89 percent saying it was either morally acceptable or not a moral issue at all.

I'd guess similar views prevail among Irish Catholics nowadays.

Deebles McBeebles · 28-02-2019 01:54PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they should consider surrounding the site with a moat filled with crocodiles

If we swap the crocs for some rubbish compactors you might be on to something.

Roger Hassenforder · 28-02-2019 02:23PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It might be helpful if we began to get back to some more fundamental questions such as why the wages paid by private companies should determine family size, 300 years after the age of Enlightenment.

I voted Yes in last year's referendum on women's choice, but one of the arguments that I thought was worthy of further discussion was why women (or, parents) should feel like they need to limit their families because they are too poor to have a child.

Ask any parent - each one has no greater priority than a child. Why can't we try to modify our social and economic life so that wages are secondary to one's family life?

Are humans not capable of prioritising family life over the immediate economic needs of employers within an economy?

That wasn't a rhetorical question, it's possible that we are not capable of doing this.

Serious socialist bang of that, someone else can pay...
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs nonsense. A tried and failed social model. A busted flush.

"I want more babies, but as I've limited means, someone else will pay for them" yada yada.

Who picks up the tab for peoples fecundity and lack of fiscal responsibility, to accommodate their base urge or "moral obligations" to procreate without regard to future progeny's welfare. Its unsustainable, from every angle, to have uncontrolled reproduction of any species, not to mind actually incentivise it in humans who seem to have the lowest capability to provide for themselves.

Most responsible people plan a family based on their ability to afford and provide a standard of living commensurate to their means. A balance of inputs and outputs.

Remind yourself of the squalor and deprivation of low means coupled with high birth rates of bygone days. Yes better work-life balance could be achieved for many workers and their families, but theres a massive difference between providing for those unable (for whatever reason, either temporarily/permanently) to provide for themselves, to those unwilling to.

KrustyUCC · 28-02-2019 06:09PM

Bernard Sweeney Looking for small donations to rewrite Irish history and to record Traveller history, the book/Traveller history will get done regardless, and the donations would help a lot in making it less painful.

https://www.facebook.com/donate/2255973458024611/?fundraiser_source=external_url

28-02-2019 06:12PM

I read in the star today that they reckon a house sized by the CAB worth about a million will be bought by the council to be given to a homeless family on the housing list.

It's obviously nonsense/trolling by the paper, but it makes me laugh all the same. As if the council will spend a million euro on a single house for a family. Haha.

Plumbthedepths · 28-02-2019 06:12PM

KrustyUCC wrote:

Bernard Sweeney Looking for small donations to rewrite Irish history and to record Traveller history, the book/Traveller history will get done regardless, and the donations would help a lot in making it less painful.

I honestly don't think this lad is playing with a full deck.

KrustyUCC · 28-02-2019 06:13PM

He's got 2 to donate already lol

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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