Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

KrustyUCC · 26-02-2019 12:22PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/vee-point-why-these-7-traveller-myths-are-untrue-849182-Mar2013/

This is probably a little off topic but for anyone who hasn't seen it already, Martin Collins of Pavee Point "busts" (by not busting at all but actually confirming) these 7 traveller myths.

In point 4 he "busts" the "myth" that travellers marry their cousins.

Funny how he "busts" the "myth" by saying marrying cousins was and still is quite common

ohnonotgmail · 26-02-2019 12:23PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Funny how he "busts" the "myth" by saying marrying cousins was and still is quite common

He clearly didnt get the concept of busting myths.

Cryptopagan · 26-02-2019 12:32PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

According to the CSO, only about 4 percent of women in the general population have six or more children, while over a quarter of Traveller women have six or more. This can't be explained by poverty alone. If Travellers don't have any money, where do all those new cars and vans come from? Where do the lavish displays come from at weddings and First Communions? How are they paid for, if these people are living in poverty?

Sure that figure only tells us that it’s much more common for Traveller women to have 6 or more children than the settled population; it doesn’t say anything about poverty. For example, if 4% of women in Ireland live in poverty, and more than 25% of Traveller women live in poverty, then the rates of women having 6 or more children might be much the same.

As for the communions and vans, I don’t know where the money came from; why don’t you ask a Traveller next time you see one with a fancy new van? I mean, I’ve seen Travellers who own their own homes living in perfectly nice towns, but most of the Travellers I’ve seen didn’t look like people with any wealth worth speaking of. Maybe it’s all fake news about them being a marginalized group with little wealth, but I kind of doubt it somehow.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 26-02-2019 12:47PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

For example, if 4% of women in Ireland live in poverty...

Actually, the CSO finds that 47.9 of Irish women are at risk of poverty before social transfers, and 16.4 of women are at risk of poverty even after social transfers. And yet only 4 percent of settled women have 6+ children.

Like it or not, this is not an economic phenomenon, but a cultural one. Travellers get married young and often don't use birth control for religious reasons, so no surprise that the proportion of Traveller women with 6+ children is so high.

corks finest · 26-02-2019 05:45PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Cryptopagan wrote: »

F****** hell, I thought everyone knew that poorer, less well educated people were more likely to have more children and start having children at a younger age than better off and well educated people.

OK let's see.

Could everyone who looks at this thread (of which there are many) confirm or deny that in their own experience that poor non educated settled folk have large families?

Say they do. As a % of their respective communities (settled, travellers for the purposes of this conversation) would you say that settled poor non educated people have the same amount of these large families? If not why not?

No definitely not

Ruraldweller56 · 26-02-2019 05:51PM

corks finest wrote: »

No definitely not

The vast majority of poor, uneducated settled people I know break their holes in low paying jobs just to stay above board.

They know better than to be popping out 6 and 7 and 8 children

Mad_maxx · 26-02-2019 06:03PM

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Sure that figure only tells us that it’s much more common for Traveller women to have 6 or more children than the settled population; it doesn’t say anything about poverty. For example, if 4% of women in Ireland live in poverty, and more than 25% of Traveller women live in poverty, then the rates of women having 6 or more children might be much the same.

As for the communions and vans, I don’t know where the money came from; why don’t you ask a Traveller next time you see one with a fancy new van? I mean, I’ve seen Travellers who own their own homes living in perfectly nice towns, but most of the Travellers I’ve seen didn’t look like people with any wealth worth speaking of. Maybe it’s all fake news about them being a marginalized group with little wealth, but I kind of doubt it somehow.

Almost everything you hear in the media about travellers is fake news, the narative surrounding the traveller issue is entirely false and reflects the hive mind workings of the media

The Satanist · 26-02-2019 07:19PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Almost everything you hear in the media about travellers is fake news, the narative surrounding the traveller issue is entirely false and reflects the hive mind workings of the media

But sure didn't one of them get herself a PhD recently. That completely busts the myth that they leave school early!

Credit Checker Moose · 26-02-2019 07:23PM

1 in a 1000 proves nothing. There are always exceptions to every rule.

Mad_maxx · 26-02-2019 08:20PM

The Satanist wrote: »

But sure didn't one of them get herself a PhD recently. That completely busts the myth that they leave school early!

PhD in grievance mongering

Dante7 · 26-02-2019 10:48PM

It's hard to know what to make of this.

http://www.react365.com/5c7590b5e242f/two-travellers-raped-in-portlaoise-prison.html

Dtp1979 · 26-02-2019 10:51PM

Dante7 wrote: »

It's hard to know what to make of this.

http://www.react365.com/5c7590b5e242f/two-travellers-raped-in-portlaoise-prison.html

Judging by the quality of the writing....

Effects · 26-02-2019 10:52PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

This is probably a little off topic but for anyone who hasn't seen it already, Martin Collins of Pavee Point "busts" (by not busting at all but actually confirming) these 7 traveller myths.

You're literally the 14th person to post that link in this thread. Got any new material?

Dante7 · 26-02-2019 10:52PM

Original post may have been removed. Here's a screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/0Y0i1yS.png

sligojoek · 26-02-2019 11:10PM

Dante7 wrote: »

Original post may have been removed. Here's a screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/0Y0i1yS.png

What the actual fuck?

tuxy · 26-02-2019 11:31PM

jmreire · 26-02-2019 11:45PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Really? My parents are in their 70's no arranged marriage, this also goes for all my aunt's/uncles. My grand parents and great grandparents same thing no arranged marriage. Never heard anyone male this claim before. What age are your parents?

It was very common in years gone by. Matchmaking was a very respected occupation, and there was at least one in every Parish. It was strictly regulated too ( even if the rules were unwritten, as far as I know ) The Matchmaker made his living from this, and his success depended on making good matches. People would be prepared to travel outside their own Parishes to meet a matchmaker with a good "track record " . I don't remember the exact rule's or condition's, but say there was a family with a son or daughter who for one reason or another, wanted to get married, then a representative from that Family would visit the local Matchmaker and discuss the matter with him. The social standing, financial position, general health, and appearance of the prospective Bride / Groom would all be discussed in detail. He or She would then be placed on the matchmaker's "Book's". A matchmaker would also have to be a good genealogist, and know by heart the histories of most of the families in the Parish. After a lot of consideration, the matchmaker would present the family with a list of possible marriage candidate's ( who would all have to be in the same social bracket ) They would make their choice, and the matchmaker would then approach the selected Family, and if they were agreeable to the match, then serious negotiations would begin, with the matchmaker being the facilitator. If it all went OK, and a match was made, then on the day of the Wedding..the Matchmaker was paid a set fee ( how this was arrived at, was another story) The next payment was when a child was born, and that depended on if it was a Boy or a Girl..I think that for each subsequent child, there was a payment made also. These matchmaker's would be very knowledgeable in the affairs and history of the area they lived in, They would have been very well regarded too. I remember a couple, where the 1st Husband died at an early age, and when she married again, it was arranged by the Matchmaker, and it worked out fine too. In County Clare, each September there is the annual matchmaking festival held in Lisdoonvarna, and it works out fine too.:) So while it's had it's heyday, there was a time when it was very common and a recognized way to do business.

Wibbs · 26-02-2019 11:54PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Really? My parents are in their 70's no arranged marriage, this also goes for all my aunt's/uncles. My grand parents and great grandparents same thing no arranged marriage. Never heard anyone male this claim before. What age are your parents?

See the above post from JM, it happened alright and on the pretty regular to one degree or other, but it was much more a rural thing, and yep up until fairly recently, but if your family were longstanding urban it was far less in play. Until quite recently the divide between rule and urban Irish culture was quite marked in certain areas.

jmreire · 27-02-2019 12:06AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Were your grandparents also first cousins?

One of the qualification's a good matchmaker had to have,was an in depth knowledge of the local Families that he dealt with,,,and that would preclude cousins marrying. He would also be expected to know the health status of his "Customer's" if there was history of any kind of abnormality, he would know it, and it would not be good for his reputation if any degree's of kinship were discovered afterward's

jmreire · 27-02-2019 12:20AM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

The vast majority of poor, uneducated settled people I know break their holes in low paying jobs just to stay above board.

They know better than to be popping out 6 and 7 and 8 children

Now it's different of course, but once upon a time, Pregnancy was considered to be the normal state of the Woman...rich or poor ( but it seemed that the wealthier segment had less pregnancy's )This was mainly due to Church teaching, and lack of effective contraception, Now times have changed, and it's very rare for settled women to have large Families, be they rich or poor, but Travellers are still locked into having large families though, so for them it's cultural.

Jerichoholic · 27-02-2019 08:41AM

More children = more free money. It's that simple. There's nothing "cultural" about it at all.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 27-02-2019 08:46AM

jmreire wrote: »

Now it's different of course, but once upon a time, Pregnancy was considered to be the normal state of the Woman...rich or poor ( but it seemed that the wealthier segment had less pregnancy's )This was mainly due to Church teaching, and lack of effective contraception, Now times have changed, and it's very rare for settled women to have large Families, be they rich or poor, but Travellers are still locked into having large families though, so for them it's cultural.

The general trend in society over the past half-century is for increasing numbers of women to get educations, enter the workforce, marry later, and have fewer children. Fifty years ago, the average Irish bride was 23 years old and the fertility rate was around 3.8. Today, the average Irish woman is over 30 when she has her first child, the average bride is 32, and the fertility rate is around 1.8.

This means that Travellers are quite literally living in the past. They are not getting educations, not entering the workforce, marrying young, and having many more children than their settled peers.

The problem is that this is not necessarily by choice. Children are being taken out of school early, deprived of an education, and pushed into arranged marriages while they are still kids -- all in the interests of perpetuating the all-important Traveller culture.

Many on the left will defend Traveller culture to the hilt, and are reluctant to criticize any aspect of it for fear of seeming racist. But how many of them would want their own daughter, at the age of 16 or 17, to be illiterate, married to her cousin, pregnant, and living in a caravan?

That would be a nightmare scenario for many parents. So if you wouldn't want this kind of future for your own daughter, don't condone people doing it to other girls in the name of "culture."

Quazzie · 27-02-2019 09:19AM

Dante7 wrote: »

It's hard to know what to make of this.

http://www.react365.com/5c7590b5e242f/two-travellers-raped-in-portlaoise-prison.html

If there was so many condoms lying around the place, how come there was sperm in the guys ass?

Deebles McBeebles · 27-02-2019 09:35AM

Quazzie wrote: »

If there was so many condoms lying around the place, how come there was sperm in the guys ass?

It was written by an idiot, that's why. That has to be the least funny "joke" article I've ever seen. Like someone from Waterford Whispers de-educated themselves and then had some shots of bleach.

Ri_Nollaig · 27-02-2019 09:49AM

Quazzie wrote: »

If there was so many condoms lying around the place, how come there was sperm in the guys ass?

Odd fake article to create, must admit that.

ohnonotgmail · 27-02-2019 09:55AM

Quazzie wrote: »

If there was so many condoms lying around the place, how come there was sperm in the guys ass?

That site allows users to post their own stories as if they are legitimate articles.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/react-365/

React 365 is a service that allows people to create their own fake stories with the react365.com domain name. Everything from React 365 is fake news

Boom_Bap · 27-02-2019 09:56AM

Anything about Margaret lately?

Deebles McBeebles · 27-02-2019 10:01AM

She's in England for the week. Sorting out the Brexit negotiations probably.

27-02-2019 10:32AM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Anything about Margaret lately?

I’d imagine that she’s gone to the funeral of the young couple who were killed trying to escape the police.

ohnonotgmail · 27-02-2019 10:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d imagine that she’s gone to the funeral of the young couple who were killed trying to escape the police.

Her posts on FB suggested she was going for a holiday. Did she know the couple that was killed?

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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