Death of Liam Adams

blanch152 · 26-02-2019 01:07PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's fair enough, but perhaps what most irks people is the apparent lack of criticism of Adams from the SF party and its grassroots. They are an incredibly cohesive party who tend to defend the party with (no pun intended) military adherence to the official narrative.

Your second point is very well-made, and I agree. Whatever about doing it once for a family member, there's no comparison to doing it systematically, as the Bishops did. Unless Adams had previous knowledge of what Mairia Cahill went through, and I don't know whether to believe the party's explanations there, or Cahill's.

The problem is that Adams is a proven liar and only admits to the barest minimum of truth. However, even in his own blog, he admits to knowledge of multiples cases.

"Despite the high standards and decency of the vast majority of IRA volunteers, IRA personnel were singularly ill-equipped to deal with these matters. This included very sensitive areas such as responding to demands to take action against rapists and child abusers. The IRA on occasion shot alleged sex offenders or expelled them."

Firstly, he admits to a plurality of cases.
Secondly, he admits to them being moved on.

What he doesn't say is that the better the republican you were, the more likely you were moved on rather than being shot - in some cases, they weren't even moved on. Also, many of those moved on - including Liam Adams - were looked after with money and jobs. It is almost an identical replica of the actions of the Catholic Church.

Don't just take my word for it. Here is one devastating analysis of Adams' statement:

http://bocktherobber.com/2014/10/gerry-adams-statement-mairia-cahill/

Of course, we will have the usual default response about Sinn Fein-haters and the like from the usual posters (probably thanked by davycc). What they don't understand is that some of us, who have been affected by the issue of child abuse, are absolutely disgusted and horrified by the way that Sinn Fein acted, and by the way that senior republicans have been continually protected, right up to the current day. Institutional protection of child abusers is one of the greatest wrong of 20th century Ireland, it is awful that it is continuing to this day, as seen by the actions and words of those who defend Sinn Fein.

ohnonotgmail · 26-02-2019 01:21PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem is that Adams is a proven liar and only admits to the barest minimum of truth. However, even in his own blog, he admits to knowledge of multiples cases.

"Despite the high standards and decency of the vast majority of IRA volunteers, IRA personnel were singularly ill-equipped to deal with these matters. This included very sensitive areas such as responding to demands to take action against rapists and child abusers. The IRA on occasion shot alleged sex offenders or expelled them."

Firstly, he admits to a plurality of cases.
Secondly, he admits to them being moved on.

What he doesn't say is that the better the republican you were, the more likely you were moved on rather than being shot - in some cases, they weren't even moved on. Also, many of those moved on - including Liam Adams - were looked after with money and jobs. It is almost an identical replica of the actions of the Catholic Church.

Don't just take my word for it. Here is one devastating analysis of Adams' statement:

http://bocktherobber.com/2014/10/gerry-adams-statement-mairia-cahill/

Of course, we will have the usual default response about Sinn Fein-haters and the like from the usual posters (probably thanked by davycc). What they don't understand is that some of us, who have been affected by the issue of child abuse, are absolutely disgusted and horrified by the way that Sinn Fein acted, and by the way that senior republicans have been continually protected, right up to the current day. Institutional protection of child abusers is one of the greatest wrong of 20th century Ireland, it is awful that it is continuing to this day, as seen by the actions and words of those who defend Sinn Fein.

In the case of Liam Adams he wasnt just moved on, he was moved on to a position where he had access to children.

FTA69 · 26-02-2019 01:37PM

For me this is the worst aspect of Adams’ legacy, the fact he allowed this to be covered up, or actively facilitated it. Liam was active in SF in Louth, and Adams at the time was saying he had no idea he was in the party - in an area of significant importance to the Republican movement. Liam later worked in a community Centre in Beechmount a stone’s throw from Gerry’s office and in an area where the Provos know what you eat for breakfast - and yet denied knowledge of him being there or working with vulnerable people.

There’s no other way of looking at it; he handled the whole thing terribly and lied repeatedly to cover it up.

FTA69 · 26-02-2019 01:38PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, a woman who had been systematically abused by a senior Republican and denied justice when she went to Gerry Adams and other senior Republican figures rejected mainstream republicanism and very briefly (for a matter of weeks) became involved with a fringe republican group. Completely understandable and only adds credence to her story rather than detracting from it.

The fact that certain posters on here fail to see that tells a lot more about them than about Mairia Cahill.

She was denied justice by the police too mate. Let’s not forget about that either, that the police were met with a vulnerable young victim and instead tried to recruit her as an informer. The state wronged her as much as the IRA did.

blanch152 · 26-02-2019 02:29PM

FTA69 wrote: »

She was denied justice by the police too mate. Let’s not forget about that either, that the police were met with a vulnerable young victim and instead tried to recruit her as an informer. The state wronged her as much as the IRA did.

I agree 100%.

What is annoying me is the posters here who attempt to blacken her name because of a brief association with a fringe republican group which is completely understandable given her treatment at the hands of the RUC, PSNI, Sinn Fein and the IRA.

The same posters with the same thankers bring it up every time her name surfaces. It is beyond despicable in the way that they act.

It is to her great credit that she has been able to rise above all that has happened to her and work both for the Labour Party in the South and SDLP in the North. Someone giving back to the community despite what her "community" did to her. A woman to be admired.

timthumbni · 26-02-2019 08:52PM

Liam Adams. A good republican no doubt in the eyes of bots but in the words of the great psychic Clinton Baptiste when he met Liam.

“I’m getting the word ...N.O.N.C.E”

Death of Liam Adams

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