Hollywood Actor Jussie Smollett Facing Prison Time

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 23-02-2019 01:48PM

Zorya wrote: »

Have never seen that interview. My mother has told me about it in fascinated detail, she found it bizarre, and memorable, especially since she didn't believe him from the beginning. Her clue - she said ''what man knows how many towels are in the hotpress?'' A real-life Miss Marple is my Ma.

As for the acting, it may have helped. I've done some acting and known many actors and even a good method actor would be hard pushed to be so unflinching. I think he was high on delusion. A kind of religious conviction that is there now in identity (I know! Snores..) politics. He was having secular visions

I guess with any fabricated story, the devil is in the detail. Any good detective will quickly spot when a person relays a story slightly differently each time or omits details previously mentioned or embellishes details or adds details. Another good tell is hesitance when asked to elaborate on part of a story or area of ambiguity. That’s when you can practically hear the cogs turning in somebody’s brain as they flail a bit.

LLMMLL · 23-02-2019 04:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote:

Ugh why are there a load of weird posts all of a sudden about the demand and supply of racism. Do people think repeating that nonsense makes them sound smart?

Ugh. Why do you think that is (given the thread title and the facts lying therein)?

Do you think that it's unreasonable to believe that in certain areas there is an outrage and victimhood culture in which people fabricate hardships in order to appeal to the permanently offended?

Oh people definitely fabricate stories for sympathy. They always have.

However, trying to portray this as some sort of economic process where there is a modern "demand" for racist incidents so fake ones have to be made up to satisfy this is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a while.

23-02-2019 04:30PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Oh people definitely fabricate stories for sympathy. They always have.

However, trying to portray this as some sort of economic process where there is a modern "demand" for racist incidents so fake ones have to be made up to satisfy this is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a while.

That's not my argument (and I was the one you replied to previously).

The reason I use the economic term is that it explains the "price" of every real and fake story. By "price", I mean the global media coverage, the associated outrage, the shaming of people who even question it.

It's a succinct way of expressing a point. These stories gain massive traction because there are relatively few compared to the tens of millions who desire them, and trust me, they are desired.

LLMMLL · 23-02-2019 04:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote: »

Oh people definitely fabricate stories for sympathy. They always have.

However, trying to portray this as some sort of economic process where there is a modern "demand" for racist incidents so fake ones have to be made up to satisfy this is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a while.

That's not my argument (and I was the one you replied to previously).

The reason I use the economic term is that it explains the "price" of every real and fake story. By "price", I mean the global media coverage, the associated outrage, the shaming of people who even question it.

It's a succinct way of expressing a point. These stories gain massive traction because there are relatively few compared to the tens of millions who desire them, and trust me, they are desired.

This particular one gained traction because it was a celebrity. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread there was a barely mentioned genuine anti semitic attack around the same time.

If this nonsense "demand" theory was correct all these stories would get equal attention.

Why would I trust you that they are desired? Do you have some inside knowledge? As far as I know you're an Irish guy living in Ireland. I'm supposed to trust you on the "desire" and "demand" (nonsense) for racist stories in the US?

23-02-2019 05:13PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

This particular one gained traction because it was a celebrity. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread there was a barely mentioned genuine anti semitic attack around the same time.

If this nonsense "demand" theory was correct all these stories would get equal attention.

Why would I trust you that they are desired? Do you have some inside knowledge? As far as I know you're an Irish guy living in Ireland. I'm supposed to trust you on the "desire" and "demand" (nonsense) for racist stories in the US?

I'm an Irish guy living in Asia with many American friends, one of which I ended a friendship with over a similarish case. Definitely an -ish for that one but he was way worse than you could imagine.

So no, of course my anecdotal experience isn't worth much, but I observe how people react to these stories in the media and on sites like this or Reddit. My own experience tells me that there are many who believe racism is now an epidemic again. It's not. There is racism, of course, but it's nowhere near what it's made out to be.

Irish people shouldn't be subscribing to this stuff. It's an American thing. We aren't a racist country.

take everything · 23-02-2019 05:23PM

This young fella has serious problems.
I found his interview convincing. He seemed to believe what he was saying on some level.

I get the feeling he's not completely comfortable with himself, his sexuality etc.

And there's an aggressive SJW/NPC and slightly stupid impressionable thing going on as well.

The looney left have a lot to answer for. This is the result.

LLMMLL · 23-02-2019 05:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote: »

This particular one gained traction because it was a celebrity. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread there was a barely mentioned genuine anti semitic attack around the same time.

If this nonsense "demand" theory was correct all these stories would get equal attention.

Why would I trust you that they are desired? Do you have some inside knowledge? As far as I know you're an Irish guy living in Ireland. I'm supposed to trust you on the "desire" and "demand" (nonsense) for racist stories in the US?

I'm an Irish guy living in Asia with many American friends, one of which I ended a friendship with over a similarish case. Definitely an -ish for that one but he was way worse than you could imagine.

So no, of course my anecdotal experience isn't worth much, but I observe how people react to these stories in the media and on sites like this or Reddit. My own experience tells me that there are many who believe racism is now an epidemic again. It's not. There is racism, of course, but it's nowhere near what it's made out to be.

Irish people shouldn't be subscribing to this stuff. It's an American thing. We aren't a racist country.

Whether ireland is a racist country or not and whether Irish people have skewed perceptions about this is a completely separate issue.

The economics metaphor and "demand" for racism is still nonsense and hopefully will die out soon.

Boggles · 23-02-2019 05:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So no, of course my anecdotal experience isn't worth much, but I observe how people react to these stories in the media

How else should be people react to a pretty awful racist hate crime in the media?

It was met with universal condemnation from all sections of the main stream media in America (Including Trump and Fox) and his outing as a fraud was met with a similar faith.

I don't see the benefit in trying to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist, less than 1% of hate crime reported is bogus, far less than all other crimes. False reporting of all crimes have always existed, just as long as idiots have, stating that there is particular market for it now is quite bizarre and quite frankly nonsense.

If you are looking for independent unbiased oversight on the likes of Twitter and Reddit, your not going to get it, maybe you need to rethink how you consume media.

23-02-2019 06:05PM

Boggles wrote:

How else should be people react to a pretty awful racist hate crime in the media?

By acknowledging that if true, this was a horrific isolated incident. Not by taking something that suits their agenda and accepting it wholesale and without fact in order to further their own political or social bias

Boggles · 23-02-2019 07:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

By acknowledging that if true, this was a horrific isolated incident.

What you mean by isolated?

Exceptional?

It wasn't.

Exceptional is what happened in Pittsburgh or Charleston.

People getting physically or verbally harmed because of what there are is neither isolated or exceptional. It's common.

Manic Moran · 23-02-2019 08:06PM

Grayson wrote: »

You mean reporting the police reports and when the police uncovered more information, they reported that too.

You can't blame the media for reporting the news.

Interestingly, Supt. Eddie Johnson (Basically the Chicago Chief of Police by another title), did put a several digs at the media for their coverage in his press conference.

The first was in stating that CPD treated the allegations in the same manner as every other hate crime the city deals with. The exact line was akin to "We did not make this a big deal. You in the media made this a big deal"

See 21:10 in the press conference, for example. https://youtu.be/jg9vVMNi4N0
"You all gave it more attention than it deserved. So when you get the opportunity for shooting victims and victims of those crimes, give them the same amount of attention"

Next, see his comments at about 19:30 into the press conference.
https://youtu.be/jg9vVMNi4N0?t=1179

"When you all put things out there into the universe that's not actual facts, then it causes us to have to chase all that stuff down. Those are resources and time spent which we can't get back"

The other was a later follow-on to "The accusation within this phony attack received national attention for weeks. Celebrities, news commentators and even presidential candidates weighed in on something that was choreographed by an actor." It was a line to the extent that "The media, celebrities and politicians spent weeks on these allegations. I hope that they will spend similar effort on the truth now that these allegations are false". Can't find the timestamp off-hand.

As for the whole "Liberals are just as hateful as those who they profess to be against", CNN yesterday showed this clip. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/22/us/conservative-activist-assault-uc-berkeley/index.html
Being a conservative should not be grounds for an unprovoked decking, even in California.

Boggles · 23-02-2019 08:12PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The first was in stating that CPD treated the allegations in the same manner as every other hate crime the city deals with. The exact line was akin to "We did not make this a big deal. You in the media made this a big deal"

TBF that isn't hard explain, so all though the Captain has a pretty valid point.

The guy was "famous", it's what happens.

Crimes that are salacious or involve "famous" people get exceptional more coverage, Ireland included, there is a pretty high profile one now that is getting wall to wall coverage.

It's the very reason he did it, he wanted to more famous and therefore earn more.

1800_Ladladlad · 23-02-2019 09:12PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Candace nails it on just how victim focused today's liberals are. It's their currency of choice.

Im a admirer of hers because of the message she puts across and her mentality would be the same as mine regarding the issue surrounding being offended, outrage and popular culture etc .

Outlaw Pete · 24-02-2019 03:59AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Im a admirer of hers because of the message she puts across and her mentality would be the same as mine regarding the issue surrounding being offended, outrage and popular culture etc .

Her interview with Russell Brand is worth a watch.

Manic Moran wrote: »

Being a conservative should not be grounds for an unprovoked decking, even in California.

The root of the problem with these attacks is that there is an element intent on linking the wearing of MAGA Hats with someone holding racist beliefs. People like this young woman for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5sosSHLt_c

Nice to see that there is at least consequences for people that think they can do what they like to someone wearing one of these hats. This guy for example is up on felony charges for taking a maga hat off a young land and then throwing an iced drink in his face:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgQBjyGA70M

He got another hat to make up for it anyway:

https://twitter.com/JoeGalliNews/status/1017075308388913152

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-02-2019 04:40AM

Trump Derangement Syndrome is the name of the condition.

The worst reaction to a defeat in the history of democracy.

1800_Ladladlad · 24-02-2019 02:17PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Trump Derangement Syndrome is the name of the condition.

The worst reaction to a defeat in the history of democracy.

The U.S is like a over bearing girlfriend who just got told no by their boyfriend after years of getting their way, but continued to show utter contempt and childish behaviour that pales in comparison to an actual childs temper tantrum

SeanW · 24-02-2019 02:30PM

El_Bee wrote: »

I'm surprised none of the journalists who covered this haven't been sanctioned for doing absolutely no digging and taking the whole thing at face value.

Wrong century. The US (and to a lesser extent Western world) media hasn't had any real standards for a very long time. Back in the 20th century, the news media reported what happened, just the facts, and you had to determine what you thought of them.
Now the media tells you what to think, and you have to decide if the events they reported on actually occurred. Especially when it's something that confirms an editorial left wing bias. The Jussie Smollet hoax? "A Rape on Campus?" Nick Sandmann harassing Native American Vietnam War veterans? None of these actually happened, but the media chose those stories.

A number of news "reporters" tweeted statements to say that the attack actually happened and used it to attack Trump, homophobia, racism, America etc which they perceive to be all one in the same. I don't actually watch CNN or other American MSM, so I have to go by tweets etc.
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/1090308948429889536

https://twitter.com/briskwalk/status/1090343510652399616

https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1090351380248825856

This is only the second time in a month they've done this, the same thing happened to Nick Sandmann, where the MSM propagated doctored video to accusing the pro-life Trump supporting teen of harassing a Native American Vietnam War veteran. Only it turned out that the videos were selectively edited and intentionally left out the part about how the boys were being harassed in the first instance by Black Hebrews (a weird hate group in the US) and then the Native Americans approached the boys and the Black Hebrews. Not only that, but the NA activist never served in Vietnam and most likely left the military without an honourable discharge. Yet another case of the MSM tells you what to think, and then you have to decide if it actually happened.

Grayson wrote: »

You mean reporting the police reports and when the police uncovered more information, they reported that too.

You can't blame the media for reporting the news.

Let's see, black gay man, in Chicago (not exactly MAGA country) walks 3 blocks to a Subway, gets jumped by 2 Nigerian rednecks - after midnight when the temperature is near -20C, in the middle of a polar vortex, tell him "this is MAGA country" because so many Trump supporters watch Empire, tie a noose around his neck, pour bleach in his eyes, yet still he manages to walk home without so much as having dropped his Subway sandwich! Some attack. He then casually calls the cops 40 minutes later, but doesn't let the police officers look at his phone ...

At the very least, everyone in the MSM should have been careful to refer to this nonsense as just an allegation, and not jump onto their usual "This is Trump's America in 2019" narrative, though to be fair, they're always on that bandwagon so they'd have to stop long enough to allow an investigation to take place.

Still, reading your post is informative in one way - it gets one to thinking what it must have been like in the USSR when someone expressed a health skepticism of state media such as Pravda. If I were in the USSR and were discussing Pravda with a hardened Communist, such an expression might be responded to with something like this:

Graysonovski wrote:

Why you not believe Pravda, Comrade? Pravda is Truth, Pravda is Revolution, Pravda is LIFE!

LLMMLL · 24-02-2019 02:48PM

SeanW wrote: »

Grayson wrote: »

You mean reporting the police reports and when the police uncovered more information, they reported that too.

You can't blame the media for reporting the news.

Let's see, black gay man, in Chicago (not exactly MAGA country) walks 3 blocks to a Subway, gets jumped by 2 Nigerian rednecks - after midnight when the temperature is near -20C, in the middle of a polar vortex, tell him "this is MAGA country" because so many Trump supporters watch Empire, tie a noose around his neck, pour bleach in his eyes, yet still he manages to walk home without so much as having dropped his Subway sandwich! Some attack. He then casually calls the cops 40 minutes later, but doesn't let the police officers look a

It's easy in hindsight to pretend the details.of the story are too outrageous to be true. I don't think it's as bizarre as you are making out. Yes some of it is outlandish but many crimes are. You and others are being a bit extreme though. In your quest to make it seem as outlandish as possible you seem to imply that racist attacks are unlikely in Chicago. Or that they need to be Empire fans etc. I also don't see why a racist attack is incredibly unlikely on an extremely cold night given that people were walking home that night.

People who report themselves as victims of crimes tend to be believed. Whether it's the aspect of human nature that believes what people say or the fact that fake stories are rare, this should continue.

Sure a very small percentage of these reports will be fake and if you happen to be unlucky enough to publically support a fraudster you will end up with egg on your face.

But in general, believing someone who claims to have been attacked is not a bad thing.

SeanW · 24-02-2019 03:32PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

It's easy in hindsight to pretend the details.of the story are too outrageous to be true. I don't think it's as bizarre as you are making out. Yes some of it is outlandish but many crimes are. You and others are being a bit extreme though. In your quest to make it seem as outlandish as possible you seem to imply that racist attacks are unlikely in Chicago. Or that they need to be Empire fans etc. I also don't see why a racist attack is incredibly unlikely on an extremely cold night given that people were walking home that night.

There was more than enough evidence, at the time, to show skepticism. Those who did so were labeled "Conspiracy theorists" by the media. It should only ever have been regarded as an allegation, at most.

But in general, believing someone who claims to have been attacked is not a bad thing.

Yes. Because that never ends badly.

LLMMLL · 24-02-2019 04:40PM

SeanW wrote: »

LLMMLL wrote: »

It's easy in hindsight to pretend the details.of the story are too outrageous to be true. I don't think it's as bizarre as you are making out. Yes some of it is outlandish but many crimes are. You and others are being a bit extreme though. In your quest to make it seem as outlandish as possible you seem to imply that racist attacks are unlikely in Chicago. Or that they need to be Empire fans etc. I also don't see why a racist attack is incredibly unlikely on an extremely cold night given that people were walking home that night.

There was more than enough evidence, at the time, to show skepticism. Those who did so were labeled "Conspiracy theorists" by the media. It should only ever have been regarded as an allegation, at most.

But in general, believing someone who claims to have been attacked is not a bad thing.

Yes. Because that never ends badly.

There's a difference between convicting an individual and believing a story with no named individuals.

If someone comes to me and tells me they've been attacked I will probably believe them. For both irrational reasons and rational ones. On the irrational side we have the human tendency to believe what people tell us which is pretty much innate to all people no matter what their political persuasion. On the rational side, false reports are rare so it makes sense to give reports the benefit of the doubt.

Trying to conflate belief in a story and court convictions is ridiculous.

SeanW · 24-02-2019 06:17PM

If the story was "I'm a cis-het white male MAGA hat wearer who has a bit part on some lame Fox channel drama that no leftist ever watches, walking down a dirt road in rural Alabama, with a MAGA hat on and an AR15 over my shoulder, when two Bernie bros attacked me. The held me up with a knife, forced my mouth open and poured a vegan soy latte down my throat. Then they said "this is social-justice country."" But the person still had the AR15 slung over their shoulder and never lost control of anything.

I'm pretty sure you'd be asking questions.

How do you think April Ryan, Vanity Fair etc. would have covered it? Would all of the mainstream news people have been like #JusticeForMAGAhats and blamed everything on a climate of hate perpetuated by college Gender Studies departments, Democrats and social justice activists? Would they ****!

Billy86 · 24-02-2019 07:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. He condemned people who carried out violence on both sides and suggested that not EVERY person that was at the rally was a white supremacist nor were all the people present to protest the rally violent thugs looking for a fight.

What a monster.

Just letting you know that march was literally organised by white supremacists, in the name of white supremacy. It was about as explicit a neo Nazi march as you could find:

http://digg.com/2017/matthew-heimbach-alt-right-charlottesville-unite-the-right

One of the men leading the explicitly white nationalist wing of the alt-right movement is Matthew Heimbach.

In a black combat helmet with a bodyguard in tow, Heimbach led followers in Emancipation Park Saturday to push down police barricades, The Indianapolis Star reports. Heimbach wasn't shy about the overtly white nationalist motivations of the gathering (despite the official rallying point of the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue from the park), explaining the importance of the Rally to the Indianapolis Star:

The biggest thing is a show of strength... To show that our organizations that have been divided on class, been divided on religious issues, divided on ideological grounds, can put 14 words — ‘We must secure the existence of our people and the future for white children’ — as our primary motivating factor.

In early July, Heimbach posted a video to the YouTube account of his Traditionalist Worker Party, promoting the rally as a show of force against "white genocide" and "the Jewish power structure" — claiming the destruction of the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville was a step towards white cultural erasure.

The initial organisers were Richard spencer (the outright neo Nazi throwing zeig heils around at speeches while talking about the 'lugenpress' after trump election) and Jason Kessler (another far right lunatic who identifies as white supremacist).

It was a point blank neo Nazi March that resulted in domestic neo Nazi terrorism. There really isn't any two ways about it.

Added that neo Nazi flags and banners were as prominent as the colour green at a Paddy's Day parade, it's simply not believable than those in attendance didn't know what it was about.

JP Liz V1 · 24-02-2019 09:17PM

Empire daddy Terrence Howard speaks

“The Jussie I know could never even conceive of something so unconscious and ugly,” he said. “His innocence or judgment is not for any of us to decide. Stay in your lane and my lane is empathy and love and compassion for someone I’ve called my son for five years. It’s God’s job to judge and it’s ours to love and hope, especially for those that we claim to have loved. There’s nothing more harmful than a fake friend!”

https://tvline.com/2019/02/24/jussie-smollett-hate-crime-attack-terrence-howard-defends-empire-star/

Calhoun · 24-02-2019 10:10PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Empire daddy Terrence Howard speaks

https://tvline.com/2019/02/24/jussie-smollett-hate-crime-attack-terrence-howard-defends-empire-star/

Apparently he is a woman beater.

LLMMLL · 24-02-2019 11:52PM

SeanW wrote: »

If the story was "I'm a cis-het white male MAGA hat wearer who has a bit part on some lame Fox channel drama that no leftist ever watches, walking down a dirt road in rural Alabama, with a MAGA hat on and an AR15 over my shoulder, when two Bernie bros attacked me. The held me up with a knife, forced my mouth open and poured a vegan soy latte down my throat. Then they said "this is social-justice country."" But the person still had the AR15 slung over their shoulder and never lost control of anything.

I'm pretty sure you'd be asking questions.

Your reverse example just illustrates the points that I don't find particularly outlandish. For instance, the way you portray it, attacks on liberals are unlikely in cities, and attacks on conservatives are unlikely in rural areas. For me, both are more believable to occur in a city. I really don't get the whole "it was obviously fake as it happened in Chicago" argument. I also don't get the argument that Empire is some liberal show so it was outlandish that conservative people would know who he is. BTW Empire is on FOX. Either way, I'm sure plenty of liberals know FOX stars, and I'm sure plenty of conservatives are familiar with various more liberal stars. Its not outlandish at all. And yes, while I would probably be more sceptical of someone performing an attack in the name of Bernie Sanders, I would not find it outlandish for two people to attack a conservative in the name of antifa for example while shouting anti-fascist slogans. Clearly,the idea of pouring a vegan soy latte down someones throat is pretty outlandish but doesn't really map to what Smollett claimed happened to him.

So if I heard from the US media that a conservative FOX news reporter had been attacked in Chicago while wearing a pro-Trump tshirt by two people who were wearing antifa tshirts and shouting anti fascist slogans....... I'd probably believe it.

Many of the true stories are outlandish. Take the anti-gay graffiti that was put on the George a few years back. There were swastikas as well, and I believe the guy who did it was wearing a dinosaur onesie. Quite the bizarre tale but true.

How do you think April Ryan, Vanity Fair etc. would have covered it? Would all of the mainstream news people have been like #JusticeForMAGAhats and blamed everything on a climate of hate perpetuated by college Gender Studies departments, Democrats and social justice activists? Would they ****!

I think if what you said actually did happen, then it would get a lot of coverage. I don't think anyone but the conservative channels would be trying to use it as examples of systemic discrimination against white people for pretty obvious reasons.

Billy86 · 24-02-2019 11:57PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Apparently he is a woman beater.

...and batsh*t insane.

https://mashable.com/2015/09/14/terrence-howard-one-times-one/#QhEA4aa0T5qP
Terryology goes back to Howard's college days. The future actor was studying chemical engineering at Pratt — but dropped out when he realized that he fundamentally disagreed with his professors about the basics of math. The argument focused on the simple equation of one times one.

"How can it equal one?" Howard asked Rolling Stone, and the universe. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be."

Lackey · 25-02-2019 08:55PM

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/25/lgbt-activist-burned-home-annoyed-no-prejudice-campaign-8738779/

Here's another one
Burned his house down and received 50k in donations too.

statesaver · 25-02-2019 09:06PM

The left really is eating itself

Pac1Man · 25-02-2019 09:07PM

Lackey wrote: »

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/25/lgbt-activist-burned-home-annoyed-no-prejudice-campaign-8738779/

Here's another one
Burned his house down and received 50k in donations too.

At least his eyes are straight.

LessOutragePlz · 09-03-2019 05:49PM

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/08/jussie-smollett-indictment-police-report-assault

The **** has hit the fan for Smollett with him being indicted on 16 felony counts.

Hollywood Actor Jussie Smollett Facing Prison Time

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