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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    glack wrote: »
    Loads of folks on facebook and twitter moaning about the ref.... lads get off your soapboxes! There was some dodgy decisions but some valid ones too.

    We were ****e last night. Plain and simple. We weren't robbed or hard done by, just useless!

    I'm not reading too much into it. It's only February. Hopefully next week we'll be competitive.

    Agree with the above. Can’t see that anything the ref did or didn’t do would have made any difference. Andy skying a clear goal opportunity wide and Jason missing a penalty, plus scoring 4 from I think 9 placed balls summed it up. 14 wides in total and 4 balls dropping short, most of which was from either very poor shot selection or simply poor execution can’t be explained as anything other than sh*te to be honest.

    Robbie certainly put his large number of critics back in their boxes last night.
    Other than our keeper, Matty, Fionn and Chrissy were the only ones to give decent accounts of themselves, perhaps Kevin Mc when he came on.

    Realistically we should have lost by way more only for Robbie blocking 6 shots, and Keith stopping a few rebounds.

    Bad night all around, need to see a lot of improvements for the next 3 games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Tackling was sub par the other night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Nothing new here but their movement on Comerford's kickouts was superb.

    Not sure if we've a Cluxton mark 2 but his restarts were lightning quick.

    Quite a contrast with our own and our lads were oftentimes static.

    Lots of seemingly rehearsed moves by them with hands raised in the air on occasion.Everything is so well structured.

    TBH these Dublin players are IMO a very special group of naturally fit athletes and collective training bans although an issue are not the great hindrance one expects,the last fortnight in all probability brought them along greatly.Our lads seemed to be chasing shadows.I'm not sure if it's a chasm in the respective skillsets or the respective training regimes or an early season phoney war but it's still hard to take our in general early season inability to lay a proverbial glove on them.

    Tis early season yet and there is a familiarity to this beating but it outside of Fionn McDonagh and Matthew Ruane it was disappointing the new lads did'nt step up.

    It's a pity Conor Loftus did not get some game time.

    Kevin Mc's footpassing was probably the best of any Mayo player on the night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    seligehgit wrote: »

    There is alot there from Brolly but this is complete bollox .."The fact that this is February football makes it all the more worrying for Mayo. Dublin don't even start serious training until April."

    Dublin looked very fit and full of running for February. These guys are either doing it on their own or else as a team and some gob****ers are believing that they have only went back training the other day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    seligehgit wrote: »

    Tis early season yet and there is a familiarity to this beating but it outside of Fionn McDonagh and Matthew Ruane it was disappointing the new lads did'nt step up.

    It's a pity Conor Loftus did not get some game time.

    Kevin Mc's footpassing was probably the best of any Mayo player on the night.

    I know people are on about Reape, but he looked like a guy that let the game in croker get to him and it ended up in a disaster for him. I just got the feeling he was trying to make a big impression but it just didn't happen for him. Horan needs to stick with him

    McDonagh looks a real quality player and Loftus is starting to just float into a player that offers nothing when he is not getting a crack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Barlett


    There is alot there from Brolly but this is complete bollox .."The fact that this is February football makes it all the more worrying for Mayo. Dublin don't even start serious training until April."

    Dublin looked very fit and full of running for February. These guys are either doing it on their own or else as a team and some gob****ers are believing that they have only went back training the other day.

    Agreed, Joe Brolly is incredibly naive if he thinks Jim Gavin tells it like it is in post match interviews. Dublin are always in & about championship levels of fitness & in fairness considering their set up why wouldn’t they be!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Barlett wrote: »
    Agreed, Joe Brolly is incredibly naive if he thinks Jim Gavin tells it like it is in post match interviews. Dublin are always in & about championship levels of fitness & in fairness considering their set up why wouldn’t they be!?

    If Dublin were as fit as Monaghan & Kerry were when they won, they wouldn’t have won!

    Can someone please tell me how Jason Doherty is an inter county footballer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Barlett


    EICVD wrote: »
    If Dublin were as fit as Monaghan & Kerry were when they won, they wouldn’t have won!

    Can someone please tell me how Jason Doherty is an inter county footballer?

    That’s why I said in & about championship fitness, sure last night they were clearly back to normal . That’s the main reason why Mayo & Dublin’s matches are close in the summer, Mayo close the fitness gap, it’s not like we suddenly become more skillful in the summer . You clearly don’t watch much Mayo football if you’re wondering about Doherty .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,457 ✭✭✭✭km79


    EICVD wrote: »

    Can someone please tell me how Jason Doherty is an inter county footballer?

    I’ve read it all now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Barlett wrote: »
    That’s why I said in & about championship fitness, sure last night they were clearly back to normal . That’s the main reason why Mayo & Dublin’s matches are close in the summer, Mayo close the fitness gap, it’s not like we suddenly become more skillful in the summer . You clearly don’t watch much Mayo football if you’re wondering about Doherty .

    Fitness gap my arse.

    Even if that's true, why haven't Mayo surpassed them in that department? They've been off since last June FFS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,457 ✭✭✭✭km79


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Fitness gap my arse.

    Even if that's true, why haven't Mayo surpassed them in that department? They've been off since last June FFS.

    Dispersed around the country ...........collective training not as easy for certain counties you know ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Yes & Dublin have been dispersed around the blinkin' globe, as recently as last week. Pull the other one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Barlett


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Fitness gap my arse.

    Even if that's true, why haven't Mayo surpassed them in that department? They've been off since last June FFS.

    I don’t understand what you’re getting defensive about, all I’m saying is that Dublin stay at a certain level of fitness all year round ?

    I’m talking about 15,16,17, this year, perhaps we have gone to the well too often, a lot of our worst performers on Sat were our most seasoned players .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭glack


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Yes & Dublin have been dispersed around the blinkin' globe, as recently as last week. Pull the other one.

    Fair point!!

    But I don't think you can underestimate the fact that during the league when the Dublin lads (and most other inter county teams including the likes of Kerry and Galway) train together a few times a week, Mayo don't have that luxury. Or if they did train together, half of them are making 6-7 hour round trip. Our retired inter county players are always saying in interviews and just in general conversation that it is the reason why we are never properly competitive during the league. They target certain games they believe they can get a result from rather than the league as a whole.

    No excuses though - we were terrible on Saturday, looked leggy and almost disinterested.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Would have been hopeful of a win, expecting a performance but definitely didn't see that coming. I'm sure its said 40 times over, but Hennelly and Ruane only ones who can hold their heads high.
    The rest were lethargic, wasteful and totally off the pace.
    Not sure where the fitness and intensity went to from the previous games. Id be swinging the axe on our more experienced players next week as maybe Higgins aside the rest were woeful.
    Lucky it wasn't a larger loss.

    Need a performance and win now next Saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,302 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    With regards to fitness my worry about Mayo is that they started from a much higher base than the likes of Dublin or Tyrone and now the others are going to catch up.

    Time will tell.

    As I said earlier it's much better to finish the league strong after a slow start than to finish it poorly after a great start.

    It's not unique to Mayo either, I think Kerry are in a similar boat.

    A lot of young guys out making a name for themselves while the likes of Tyrone and Dublin ate still on holidays.

    Remember Kerry won by a point after being 5 up with Dublin down to 14 for 20 minutes.
    And Dublin missed the chance to equalise for a draw too.
    And yesterday Kerry squeezed past Galway after being 5 up at HT.

    Mayo could do with some strong displays down the stretch even though their place in Div 1 is already secured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Barlett


    With regards to fitness my worry about Mayo is that they started from a much higher base than the likes of Dublin or Tyrone and now the others are going to catch up.

    Time will tell.

    As I said earlier it's much better to finish the league strong after a slow start than to finish it poorly after a great start.

    It's not unique to Mayo either, I think Kerry are in a similar boat.

    A lot of young guys out making a name for themselves while the likes of Tyrone and Dublin ate still on holidays.

    Remember Kerry won by a point after being 5 up with Dublin down to 14 for 20 minutes.
    And Dublin missed the chance to equalise for a draw too.
    And yesterday Kerry squeezed past Galway after being 5 up at HT.

    Mayo could do with some strong displays down the stretch even though their place in Div 1 is already secured.

    Agreed, wins against Galway & Monaghan would give me optimism for the Summer if we lose all three I’d be worried, under Horan previously we always finished the league strongly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I know people are on about Reape, but he looked like a guy that let the game in croker get to him and it ended up in a disaster for him. I just got the feeling he was trying to make a big impression but it just didn't happen for him. Horan needs to stick with him

    McDonagh looks a real quality player and Loftus is starting to just float into a player that offers nothing when he is not getting a crack.

    Would agree re Reape, looked like a lad that was trying too hard to impress. I wouldn't be losing faith... we can't really afford to.

    All in all, a terrible performance but good to blood the newer lads in Croke Park. It's the one real championship test during the league. I wouldn't get too disheartened, Dublin are still way out in front... It's no coincidence that their defeats came away from CP. They're a different animal there. That's not to say they're not bad on their travels, it's just a different ball game at Croker.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭glack


    PARlance wrote: »
    Would agree re Reape, looked like a lad that was trying too hard to impress. I wouldn't be losing faith... we can't really afford to.

    And Andy Moran was having an off day which doesn't help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,302 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Barlett wrote: »
    Agreed, wins against Galway & Monaghan would give me optimism for the Summer if we lose all three I’d be worried, under Horan previously we always finished the league strongly

    I'd take wins over Galway and Kerry for physcological (SP) reasons, and let whatever happens with Monaghan happen, with that they will be either in the final or resigned to coming third, losing out to Dublin on the head to head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    With regards to fitness my worry about Mayo is that they started from a much higher base than the likes of Dublin or Tyrone and now the others are going to catch up.

    I am not sure about this tbh. Keegan/Moran for example (even Reape) looked like they are carrying a bit extra so imo we are not at a higher base. Dublin players that look like they are carrying a bit are kilkenny and McCauley, so there is examples in both. Galway looked a lot fitter than us at the FBD game in Tuam.
    Most guys are waiting reasonable fit all year round anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    PARlance wrote:
    They're a different animal there. That's not to say they're not bad on their travels, it's just a different ball game at Croker.

    Fair point but Galway simply didn't show up in the second half versus Dublin.

    The Mayo players heads went down after the goal. There was opportunity for Mayo to kick on after great saves but it was just flat. Mayo and Galway were flat this year.

    Monaghan got Dublin in the right place at the right time. If it was their first game back in Castlebar it might have been the same result.

    Monaghan and Kerry fought like hell too though . That's what many Mayo and Dublin fans were expecting on Saturday, more fight that's what so many were disappointed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Barlett


    I only saw the highlights back there. Christ almigty Comerford was miles off his line for the penalty, not that it would have changed the result but would be fuming in a championship game if that was allowed to stand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    Barlett wrote: »
    I only saw the highlights back there. Christ almigty Comerford was miles off his line for the penalty, not that it would have changed the result but would be fuming in a championship game if that was allowed to stand.


    It is something that rarely gets pulled by referees in gaelic football.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    Ok to dream here but I’d be thinking we’d have to win against Galway, Monaghan and Kerry to guarantee a final spot against Kerry . I wonder would Kerry be interested if they were already guaranteed a final spot with the Mayo match 3 weeks away?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    Ok to dream here but I’d be thinking we’d have to win against Galway, Monaghan and Kerry to guarantee a final spot against Kerry . I wonder would Kerry be interested if they were already guaranteed a final spot with the Mayo match 3 weeks away?


    Sorry, I forgot Kerry would not be guaranteed a spot until at least a draw or wom after the mayo match


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,886 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Is Horan morphing into Borat?:P
    "We'll have a chat about it and we'll move on very quickly with the learnings from it."

    Jim Gavin the same as ever though:
    Dublin manager Jim Gavin said James McCarthy had a slight niggle, but should be fit for the Roscommon game next Sunday at Hyde Park.

    "It's going to be a really tough game down there, and that's just where our focus is and we've just taken it one game at a time," he said.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/honeymoon-over-for-tentative-mayo-as-dubs-inflict-beating-37849560.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Any team news?


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