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Highest HIV level in western Europe, well done Ireland.

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    #32
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Is this thread about pot or HIV?

    It’s about some pot users sex life. They should change the title.


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    #33
    lbc2019
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    A lot of the young men I talk to dont have the awareness of HIV/AIDS they those of us they grew up in the 80s and 90s did. Better education and better availability of condoms is key as well as a key information campaign


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    #34
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    https://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/prevention/prep-2/
    a good outline on what Prep is and who for.

    I disagree with it becoming blanket taxpayer funded. main indication is to protect high risk groups from contracting HIV from unprotected sex.
    Widespread availability of free prep may paradoxically increase the number of cases of HIV by giving a false sense of security leading to riskier behaviour, and one is less likely to be compliant with the treatment regimen if it is free than if one paid for it oneself


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    #35
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    The gays or the immigrants- this is AH alt right nirvana.

    Do you think immigrants from high risk areas should or should not be screened for diseases such as AIDS when wanting to live in Ireland ?


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    #36
    lbc2019
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    statesaver wrote: »
    Do you think immigrants from high risk areas should or should not be screened for diseases such as AIDS when wanting to live in Ireland ?

    If they have HIV what do you do? Exclude them?


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    #37
    lbc2019
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    Giveaway wrote: »
    https://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/prevention/prep-2/
    a good outline on what Prep is and who for.

    I disagree with it becoming blanket taxpayer funded. main indication is to protect high risk groups from contracting HIV from unprotected sex.
    Widespread availability of free prep may paradoxically increase the number of cases of HIV by giving a false sense of security leading to riskier behaviour, and one is less likely to be compliant with the treatment regimen if it is free than if one paid for it oneself

    What is that based on Christian Right teaching?

    What if someone contracts good AIDS, should be pay for their prep?


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    #38
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    If they have HIV what do you do? Exclude them?

    Yes. Deny the immigrant entry.


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    #39
    lbc2019
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    statesaver wrote: »
    Yes. Deny the immigrant entry.

    Any other illnesses you would use to exclude them? Or all of them?


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    #40
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Any other illnesses you would use to exclude them? Or all of them?

    TB


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    #41
    juice1304
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    If they have HIV what do you do? Exclude them?

    If you want to get a visa for America you can not have any transmittable infectious diseases and it has been like that for a very long time.
    Everyone coming into the country should be screened. If they are on antiviral medication then they can make it so they basically cannot pass the infection on to other people. And in the end, they will live longer.
    Or you can claim racism and let them die of aids because you would rather preach social justice.


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    #42
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    They are human. Should Rory O Neill be banned from leaving Ireland?

    He is an Irish born citizen.


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    #43
    lbc2019
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    statesaver wrote: »
    He is an Irish born citizen.

    I presume you would apply your principle to both ways?


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    #44
    Giveaway
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    What is that based on Christian Right teaching?

    What if someone contracts good AIDS, should be pay for their prep?

    AIDS is AIDS no matter how its caught. I made no value judgement. Its a very good method for reducing transmission risk on paper. i would wager education on transmission risk of HIV and appropriate risk reduction and condom use would be more effective and appropriate.
    Prep is really just standard HAART/triple therapy that one would take if had HIV infection and the drug cocktail is not without side effects either


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    #45
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Terminal Cancer?

    ffs man


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    #46
    lbc2019
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    Hugo Heavy wrote: »
    Not infectious.

    Can increase the risk of infection


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    #47
    lbc2019
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    juice1304 wrote: »
    If you want to get a visa for America you can not have any transmittable infectious diseases and it has been like that for a very long time.
    Everyone coming into the country should be screened. If they are on antiviral medication then they can make it so they basically cannot pass the infection on to other people. And in the end, they will live longer.
    Or you can claim racism and let them die of aids because you would rather preach social justice.

    Grand so if they are on anti viral method you would allow them access?

    Would you allow them access if they agreed to take anti viral medication in Ireland?


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    #48
    Atlantic Dawn
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    How come this story doesn't feature at all on RTE?


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    #49
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Grand so if they are on anti viral method you would allow them access?

    Would you allow them access if they agreed to take anti viral medication in Ireland?

    And pay for it themselves ?


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    #50
    dav3
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    Whatever about the poor moderating that allows threads like these to exist across the internet, I guess we should be addressing the concerns of the lads that get worked up over this. I presume they're the ones most at risk of contracting HIV.

    https://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/prevention/

    There are many ways to reduce the risks:
    • Practice safer sex – use condoms consistently when having vaginal, anal and oral sex. Check out our guide to using condoms.
    • Try to avoid contact with body fluids such as semen during sexual contact, and don’t share fingers, hands or sex toys.
    • Remember that some sexual practices which may be described as ‘safer’ in terms of HIV transmission might still be risky for transmission of other STIs like syphilis or Hepatitis A.
    • Get tested regularly. Keep in mind that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms. Testing is available free of charge in many public hospitals.
    • Vaccinations are available for Hepatitis A and B free of charge from your STI/GUM clinic.
    • There is a post-exposure treatment available for HIV and Hepatitis B. Details of this are in the section on PEP.
    • If using drugs, do not share any drug using paraphernalia.
    • Educate yourself, know the risks, and take responsibility for your sexual health.

    It's not the 1980s anymore. No you can't contact it by shaking someones hand, or some bloke giving you a funny look.


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    #51
    lbc2019
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    statesaver wrote: »
    And pay for it themselves ?

    If they cannot?


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    #52
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    If they cannot?

    No entry.


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    #53
    Wibbs
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    dav3 wrote: »
    Whatever about the poor moderating that allows threads like these to exist across the internet,
    Not just here but "across the internet" too, eh? Y'know I've dealt with Left wingers all the way up to committed communists, Right wingers all the way up to full on fascists, but of all the groups the worst for running to censorship of anything that doesn't pass their particular muster(which varies with the wind) are the so called "liberals".

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #54
    blanch152
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    https://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/hiv-in-ireland/

    Here are some facts from 2017.

    "Among the diagnoses in 2017, 39% were previously diagnosed with HIV in another country."

    "Of the diagnoses in 2017, 26% (n=130) were born in Ireland, 63% (n=308) were born abroad and 11% (n=54) did not have information on country of birth."

    Is it really a problem with our sex education?


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    #55
    dav3
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Not just here but "across the internet" too, eh? Y'know I've dealt with Left wingers all the way up to committed communists, Right wingers all the way up to full on fascists, but of all the groups the worst for running to censorship of anything that doesn't pass their particular muster(which varies with the wind) are the so called "liberals".

    You're a great man for the labels. Can we take it from this rant that you're not post with a "clear head" again?


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    #56
    Atlantic Dawn
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    https://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/hiv-in-ireland/

    Here are some facts from 2017.

    "Among the diagnoses in 2017, 39% were previously diagnosed with HIV in another country."

    "Of the diagnoses in 2017, 26% (n=130) were born in Ireland, 63% (n=308) were born abroad and 11% (n=54) did not have information on country of birth."

    Is it really a problem with our sex education?


    You won't see those stats on mainstream media in this country.


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    #57
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    https://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/hiv-in-ireland/

    Here are some facts from 2017.

    "Among the diagnoses in 2017, 39% were previously diagnosed with HIV in another country."

    "Of the diagnoses in 2017, 26% (n=130) were born in Ireland, 63% (n=308) were born abroad and 11% (n=54) did not have information on country of birth."

    Is it really a problem with our sex education?


    In fairness if 120 people who went through our education system contracted HIV then yes, yes it is.


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    #58
    [Deleted User]
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    If they have HIV what do you do? Exclude them?

    Yes... many countries wont give you permanent residency if you have a disease such as HIV.


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    #59
    El_Bee
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    How come this story doesn't feature at all on RTE?


    too homophobic


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    #60
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    dav3 wrote: »
    It's not the 1980s anymore. No you can't contact it by shaking someones hand, or some bloke giving you a funny look.

    In the 80’s gay Byrne actually demonstrated how to use condoms for this very reason - safe sex. That actually worked, sex education did in fact reduce the spread of the disease.

    Not sure why it has risen since. Do you have ideas?


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    #61
    Giveaway
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    Paradoxically a relative emigrated to a Southern African Country to work as a professional. he had to demonstrate that he had no HIV TB etc with doctors reports, certified lab results etc. The HIV carriage rate is circa 1/3rd in this African country and they would have not issued the visa if he could not demonstrate conclusively he had no infectious disease. He also had to provide evidence of medical insurance such that if he became ill he would not become a burden on their state. And i think the Southern African country is correct in this stance


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