Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

20-02-2019 08:38PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Have you a link to that paper?

https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/AITHS_SUMMARY.pdf

mikemac2 · 20-02-2019 08:38PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We had them camp at the front gate to our farm once upon a time. Lovely people, wonderful horsemanship, very enviable. Even managed to sell them a pony. No regrets.

Was this in 1950?

20-02-2019 08:40PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Was this in 1950?

1998 or thereabouts, not far from Nenagh, my fellow Tipp-man (if I remember correctly)

Kimbot · 20-02-2019 08:41PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No offence to Margaret Cash, but I'm not really interested in her.

I asked for evidence in relation to travellers, in general.

I won't get it, mind you, but asking is half the battle.

I wasn't generalizing travellers so I'm not going to provide you with this evidence you crave, as I said you can go look for that yourself. My comment was specifically about her paying vat, but it doesn't matter if she gets a 5 finger discount, the money she does buy anything with comes straight out of government coffers so she's not really providing anything.

Oh and if you are not interested in Margaret what the hell are you doing in this thread? You want to discuss something else then go post a new thread, this one is about Margaret

20-02-2019 08:48PM

Kimbot wrote: »

I wasn't generalizing travellers so I'm not going to provide you with this evidence you crave

Oh! Guilty me! Asking for evidence of your claims, how DAFT!

Oh and if you are not interested in Margaret what the hell are you doing in this thread? You want to discuss something else then go post a new thread, this one is about Margaret

I have so many questions.

Firstly, why are you referring to a stranger by their forename? But that question is minor in relation to my next question --

You've decided that this thread is about "Margaret"?! Do you have any idea of how pathetic that sounds? That you are following online the activities of some single mum, and making sure that nobody speaks out in her favour? Ah here, have a word with yourself, lad.

Kimbot · 20-02-2019 08:52PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Oh! Guilty me! Asking for evidence of your claims, how DAFT!

I have so many questions.

Firstly, why are you referring to a stranger by their forename? But that question is minor in relation to my next question --

You've decided that this thread is about "Margaret"?! Do you have any idea of how pathetic that sounds? That you are following online the activities of some single mum, and making sure that nobody speaks out in her favour? Ah here, have a word with yourself, lad.

What claim did I make that requires evidence?

The only person that needs to have a word with themselves is you "lad" cos your the one taking the piss at this stage.

normanoffside · 20-02-2019 08:57PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah sure you're only throwing me soft-balls now, you're being too gentle.

Krieger et al, All-Ireland Traveller-Health Study, 2005; in which travellers experienced almost twice as much discrimination as black Americans when applying for employment.

Ask me a harder one. This is too easy.

The paper you quoted below shows that 90% of travellers are unemployed. 'Twice as much discrimination as Black Americans when applying for employment'. Does that mean 45% of Black Americans are unemployed? Doubt it

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/AITHS_SUMMARY.pdf

The paper you quoted references Krieger but does not link to Krieger's research on Discrimination of Travellers regards employment. It does not describe how the data was gathered or calculated, which is what I suspect you were asked to show.

20-02-2019 09:03PM

Kimbot wrote: »

What claim did I make that requires evidence?

The only person that needs to have a word with themselves is you "lad" cos your the one taking the piss at this stage.

The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

Ah well. We can all judge these posters on the basis of their evidence, or lack thereof.

deaddonkey15 · 20-02-2019 09:07PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/AITHS_SUMMARY.pdf

A 10 year old study based on self-reported experiences of discrimination, in which it states that discrimination, or perceived discrimination in this case, may arise from a number of factors and not just ethnicity. Rock solid stuff.

deaddonkey15 · 20-02-2019 09:11PM

normanoffside wrote: »

The paper you quoted references Krieger but does not link to Krieger's research on Discrimination of Travellers regards employment. It does not describe how the data was gathered or calculated, which is what I suspect you were asked to show.

It references a 2005 paper by Krieger in which she uses an EOD (Experiences of Discrimination) model that she developed and published a paper on in 1990.

But it essentially just boils down to asking "Have you ever experienced discrimination when getting hired or getting a job?". Very scientific.

normanoffside · 20-02-2019 09:14PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

A 10 year old study based on self-reported experiences of discrimination, in which it states that discrimination, or perceived discrimination in this case, may arise from a number of factors and not just ethnicity. Rock solid stuff.

Yes it mainly says that Travellers feel that they have no employment opportunities due to lack of education.
This is exactly what we are all saying.

Instead of solving the issue by availing of education, they decide to continue not getting an education and then moan about lack of employment opportunities. :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 09:26PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

What's the exact quote?

I told you she claimed the government was robbing her blind despite all her income is derived from the state. Another poster linked the radio interview to where she made this claim which I see you ignored so you can claim ignorance. So maybe scoot back a few posts and listen to the interview. You did ask for a hard question, so again can you explain Mags logic as to how the state is robbing her blind considering all her income is given to her by the state.

deaddonkey15 · 20-02-2019 09:27PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes it mainly says that Travellers feel that they have no employment opportunities due to lack of education.
This is exactly what we are all saying.

Instead of solving the issue by availing of education, they decide to continue not getting an education and then moan about lack of employment opportunities. :rolleyes:

The report comments on positive aspects of traveller culture with this line:

"Many positive aspects of Traveller culture and value systems should be better promoted. The strong sense of community, family support, religiosity, and valuing of Traveller culture and identity emerge from the data"

I'm fairly sure one of the other blow-ins who came in on a wind up earlier in the thread cited the same things as the bolded part above. Looks like they're all singing from the same hymn sheet.

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 09:28PM

Kivaro wrote:

Lads, after looking at the last post above, I wouldn't be inclined to feed it.

You're right saw him/her called out as a troll on another thread. Not saying they are but a pattern is emerging. Time to engage the ignore button.

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 09:31PM

How many attempts at closing the thread has been made, anyone know? I think the Tyrant is the lastest to try .

Kimbot · 20-02-2019 09:32PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

Ah well. We can all judge these posters on the basis of their evidence, or lack thereof.

What statement did I make???

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 09:33PM

Kimbot wrote:

What statement did I make???

I wouldn't bother with this person anymore, this behaviour typifies there interaction on every thread they comment on. The idea is to wind you up, get you banned or close the thread.

freshpopcorn · 20-02-2019 09:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How many attempts at closing the thread has been made, anyone know? I think the Tyrant is the lastest to try .

I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc.
They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread.
I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

Plumbthedepths · 20-02-2019 09:40PM

freshpopcorn wrote:

I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc. They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread. I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

It's amazing how many people are in favour of censorship. lol.

na1 · 20-02-2019 09:53PM

hurler32 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/three-brothers-are-jailed-on-same-day-after-separate-vicious-attacks-37821957.html

A fair achievement for this Ennis Co Clare traveller family .....Ennis is a town that has a growing traveller crime problem which is ruining what was once a lovely town .

Poor little angels!

Damien Sherlock (27),
... Damien Sherlock has 110 previous convictions,

10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

NIMAN · 20-02-2019 09:55PM

na1 wrote: »

Poor little angels!

10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

And they wonder why they are unemployable?

If you were an employer would you take on a 27 year old with so many convictions?

I wouldn't, and it's not racist. I wouldn't take on a settled person with 110 convictions either.

normanoffside · 20-02-2019 10:02PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I asked for evidence in relation to travellers, in general.

I won't get it, mind you, but asking is half the battle.

Yet as soon as people get your 'Evidence', read it, question it and point out it doesn't back up your claims; you disappear?

na1 · 20-02-2019 10:04PM

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I’m sure this has been said, but why is cash still entitled to a council house when she has 100k to fall back on??

I never said I was poor. I said I was homeless

(c)

20-02-2019 10:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I told you she claimed the government was robbing her blind despite all her income is derived from the state. Another poster linked the radio interview to where she made this claim which I see you ignored so you can claim ignorance. So maybe scoot back a few posts and listen to the interview. You did ask for a hard question, so again can you explain Mags logic as to how the state is robbing her blind considering all her income is given to her by the state.

I'm asking you a simple question - what's the quote you're asking me to respond to?

I've listened to the interview, and didn't hear the quote you raised. Can you quote her words back to me, which you'd like me to respond to?

Patrick2010 · 20-02-2019 11:11PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm asking you a simple question - what's the quote you're asking me to respond to?

I've listened to the interview, and didn't hear the quote you raised. Can you quote her words back to me, which you'd like me to respond to?

What was the quote?

Gen.Zhukov · 20-02-2019 11:16PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

I'll just leave one of your quotes of stats (that you repeatedly used, even after it was debunked) here.

If I were a traveller, and half the adults in my community were dying before the age of 40, and I had been bullied out of school at an early age, and one in every ten babies born in my community was dying before the age of two, I honestly don't think I'd give a flying **** about the settled community.

"half the adults in my community were dying before the age of 40"
"one in every ten babies born in my community was dying before the age of two"

Bollocks!

21-02-2019 02:41AM

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

I'll just leave one of your quotes of stats (that you repeatedly used, even after it was debunked) here.

"half the adults in my community were dying before the age of 40"
"one in every ten babies born in my community was dying before the age of two"

Bollocks!

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

freshpopcorn · 21-02-2019 03:09AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

How do you mean we don't recognise it now?
I'm always hearing Pavee Point and John Connors say that the government and people in Ireland aren't doing enough for them..
Take the situation in Thurles. The council built nice bungalows for members of the travelling community.(Modern, insulated houses)(They'd benefit a lot of elderly people who are living in older colder houses it would improve your life expectancy.) and the travellers refused to move into them because they were no stables on site.
They almost seems to be this belief within the community that you have a right to own a horse because it's benefits your mental health.
Lot's of people like keeping animals but they can only do it when the situation allows them to care for the animal correctly and they can afford it. They are even talks about some areas banning trotting. This is popular with in the travelling community. Will future generations look down on us if we banned it?
There's also the situation of a high school drop out rate. The government has provided various things in the last few decades to encourage people to stay in school longer. This includes L.C.A, Youth Reach and various PLC courses not to mention the availability of grants. These are positive great things.
However they still seems to be an issue with school drop out rates in the travelling community.
So, what should be done? Take the children/teenagers into care for poor attendance or fine the parents/cut social welfare. Would these measures go down well now or is there a nicer approach they could take.I know we can provide classes/courses that may interest people but it is important you can get employment from them. (This goes for all society who may have difficulty staying in education)

BattleCorp · 21-02-2019 09:25AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Is traveller health and life expectancy not a result of their actions rather than them being denied their human rights?

While I have no proof of this, it's my belief that education plays a big part in the reduction of traveller life expectancy. But unfortunately most travellers appear to shun education. Travellers are allowed to go to school and learn. They are actually legally obliged to go but often choose to leave education at an early age. How is that a human rights issue? They have equality of opportunity when it comes to education.

Travellers are allowed to eat healthy foods. They choose not to. A long term diet of fast food and red bull can't be good for you in the long run. How is that a human rights issue?

Most travellers have medical cards and aren't denied access to medical treatment. How is that a human rights issue?

Travellers aren't legally required to get married at a young age but they choose to run to Northern Ireland and get married at 16 years of age. Again, they are not forced by the system to do that. How is that a human rights issue?

Seriously, 99% of the problems of travellers are related to their culture and not to human rights issues.

You said we will be judged harshly for our apathy. What are we supposed to do? It's a no-win situation for us. The only way to increase their life expectancy is to destroy their culture and make them live more like us. And they don't want that.

Deebles McBeebles · 21-02-2019 09:30AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We had them camp at the front gate to our farm once upon a time. Lovely people, wonderful horsemanship, very enviable. Even managed to sell them a pony. No regrets.

That must be the same farm they send all the old, sick dogs to. I bet the f*ckin pony regretted it shortly after. How could anyone in their right mind sell an animal to a traveller.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc.
They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread.
I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

Its unreal. All its doing is detracting from the discussion and giving the likes of Tyrant and the everlasting BB Fan high blood pressure.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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