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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    deiseach wrote: »
    I think it's a mistake to go back to the format that we saw around the turn of the millennium with two Division 1's of roughly equal strength. I remember how the likes of Down and Derry would come up from a division in which they were way too good and find themselves in a division in which they were way too bad. The current format smooths out the progression for a county like Carlow. The team who gets promoted from Division 2 in 2020 is going to get a rude awakening when they play Division 1 in 2021, and I don't see what good that will do them.

    You can’t overlook the fact that being in 1B has been a huge advantage to teams in the past few years though. The last 2 All Ireland champions have come from 1B. Derek McGrath basically said last year that getting relegated to 1B would be a big plus for the incoming manager.
    If it’s an advantage to be in what is essentially the second division then the system is flawed somewhere. It will be tough on the weaker teams in those groups like Carlow, Laois etc but I don’t know how that can be rectified really. Eventually they have to make the step up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭deiseach


    I'll believe it when I see it. But it's great news if true.
    Walsh Park ready to bring Waterford hurling back home
    County insist they will host home games in championship before ground is redeveloped

    Ian O'Riordan

    Waterford County Board officials are now adamant that Walsh Park will host their Munster hurling round-robin matches this coming May and June, before work will then immediately commence on a €7 million refurbishment project to bring the county ground’s capacity up to 16,500.

    Following a year of indecision, full planning permission was granted by An Bord Pleanála last Friday, and county chairman Paddy Joe Ryan told The Irish Times it’s now “full steam ahead” on the project.

    However in the meantime he said Walsh Park would be fit to host Waterford’s two home games this summer – against Clare on May 12th, followed by the All-Ireland champions Limerick on June 2nd.

    “That’s no longer in question, the Clare and Limerick games will both take place in Walsh Park,” said Ryan.

    “The Slattery Report has put the capacity at 11,040 people, that’s allowed, subject to some remedial work, which is already started, I believe today [Monday].

    “Everything will be ready for the championship. There was an issue with a wall as well, which was in danger of falling, but that’s being taken down. There was some other remedial work, in the short term, some small health and safety things. But we don’t see any obstacle now whatsoever. It’s full steam ahead.”

    After reaching the All-Ireland final in 2017, Waterford’s hurling ambitions fell considerably short last summer when they failed to progress from the round-robin phase of the Munster championship. At that stage Walsh Park was given a reduced capacity of just 8,000, deemed unsuitable for their home matches by the Munster Council.

    As a result, the Waterford seniors (and minors) played their “home” games in 2018 in away venues – drawing with Tipperary at the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick, and losing to Cork at Semple Stadium in Thurles. They also lost “away” to Clare and Limerick, and this failed to progress. Fraher Field, with a capacity of some 15,000, wasn’t considered suitable either.

    New hurling manager Páraic Fanning, who succeeded Derek McGrath, has also been quietly insisting that Waterford’s home games in 2019 be played at home. The Munster Council had also voted against the possibility of staging the games closer to home, possibly at Nowlan Park, as that was outside the province.

    Several submissions

    Preliminary planning permission for the refurbishment work was approved last year, but An Bord Pleanála received several submissions, two regarding traffic management issues, which have now been addressed.

    “An Bord Pleanála have now signed off, we got the go ahead on Friday,” said Ryan. “All going to plan, the bulldozers will move in immediately after Waterford’s last home game. The existing stand on Slievekeale Road will be upgraded as will Keanes Road which will be a covered terrace; there will be an uncovered terrace on the northern bank. The project is also set to include four new dressing rooms, office space and shops, plus off-street parking for team buses.

    “The plan is that the day after the Limerick game, we’ll start the redevelopment, the knocking and the reconstructing,” added Ryan.

    “Ideally, we’re looking at 11½ months, which would have it ready for our first championship game next year (2020), against Cork. There’s very little knocking. It’s more just building up the new terrace behind the goals. And when it’s finished we’ll have seating for around 11,500, 6,500 covered, around 5,000 uncovered. And a standing terrace, covered, behind the goals, standing for another 5,000.

    The cost of the project has been put at €7 million, significantly less than the now €95.8m bill facing the Cork County Board for the redevelopment of Páirc Uí Chaoimh.

    But Ryan explained there’s is a far more modest project: “That’s the latest figure that was put to the clubs and the county boards, and we’d be hopeful of keeping it at that. We’re still in the process of approving that funding from all the various people involved, Government sports funding, Central Council funding, Munster Council funding, and the raise we needs to raise ourselves from within the county.

    “But everything has been budgeted for, and the funding plan has already presented to the county board. That’s passed by the county board, and hopefully the job will going to tender this week.”

    Walsh Park last hosted a Munster championship match in 2003, when Waterford hosted Kerry in the first round.

    “We’ve needed this for a while now, and when it’s finished, we’ll have a beautiful compact stadium, 16,000-16,500. And we might only fill it twice a year, as long as this championship format continues, so it’s plenty big. The bigger the stadium the bigger the cost, and this is absolutely big enough for what we want.”

    “And our manager as also been insisting all along that our championship games be played in Walsh Park this year. I believe the new director general Tom Ryan also mentioned it in his annual report, to Congress, that Waterford’s games should be played in Waterford.”

    Waterford are currently top of division 1B, beating Offaly, Laois and Carlow by double-digit scores, and face Dublin and Galway in their remaining games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,684 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    deiseach wrote: »
    I'll believe it when I see it. But it's great news if true.

    Yeah hope it's true but then the elephant enters the room

    Tickets for the games ??? Surely it's going to be tight as there's sponsors/TV crew etc/players families/county board members and season ticket holders both Waterford and Clare/limerick supporters

    The may 12th game will be the 'free' game for season ticket holders


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭STIG83


    Would anyone know where I could buy a Waterford Gaa hoodie?
    Cant find one anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    STIG83 wrote: »
    Would anyone know where I could buy a Waterford Gaa hoodie?
    Cant find one anywhere.

    Sportsdirect.com


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Tunc Nagiloc


    deiseach wrote: »
    I think it's a mistake to go back to the format that we saw around the turn of the millennium with two Division 1's of roughly equal strength. I remember how the likes of Down and Derry would come up from a division in which they were way too good and find themselves in a division in which they were way too bad. The current format smooths out the progression for a county like Carlow. The team who gets promoted from Division 2 in 2020 is going to get a rude awakening when they play Division 1 in 2021, and I don't see what good that will do them.

    I would change to 2 so called equal Div 1 groups but I’d cut bottom 2 teams from current 1B and only have 10 teams not 12 in Div 1.
    It would mean one less thing but is that a bad thing considering league starts in Jan!

    Potential for very competitive Div2 if Offaly and Laois or Carlow were put in with the other top Div 2 teams like Kerry, Westmeath, Antrim

    Why not have the divisions based on ability not just magic number of teams that gives even numbers in groups ?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Ropaire


    "Fraher Field, with a capacity of some 15,000, wasn’t considered suitable either."

    That can't be right, is Fraher that big?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,684 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Ropaire wrote: »
    "Fraher Field, with a capacity of some 15,000, wasn’t considered suitable either."

    That can't be right, is Fraher that big?

    Must be wrong there was little over 2700 there Saturday night and it was hard enough getting out of the stand


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Sure Walsh Park was 15000 10 years ago. Somehow that had halved last year when they actually inspected it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭deiseach


    Anyone got any insight into parking near Parnell Park? Feel free to say "don't even think about it boi."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    deiseach wrote: »
    Anyone got any insight into parking near Parnell Park? Feel free to say "don't even think about it boi."

    Tricky unless you get in early, it's like going into Walsh Park, but they're a bit stricter on the whole 'abandon your car on the green' bit.

    I normally throw my car into Casino Park or one of the nearby housing estates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    I would change to 2 so called equal Div 1 groups but I’d cut bottom 2 teams from current 1B and only have 10 teams not 12 in Div 1.
    It would mean one less thing but is that a bad thing considering league starts in Jan!

    Potential for very competitive Div2 if Offaly and Laois or Carlow were put in with the other top Div 2 teams like Kerry, Westmeath, Antrim

    Why not have the divisions based on ability not just magic number of teams that gives even numbers in groups ?!

    You can’t just draw a line in the sand either and simply cut the rest off from the 10 Liam McCarthy teams in the league aswell. You have to give these teams a chance to close the gap at some point

    There’s no magic formula that won’t give you one-sided games no matter what way it works. There are 9 counties that are at one level then 5 or 6 the level below. In 2 x groups of 5 for example Carlow being up there on their own would be a big ask for them, at least with Laois and Offaly there with them it gives them a chance to win games aswell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Sure haven't the last two All Irelands been won by teams coming out of 1B? And the last 4 National League winners come from 1B?

    Why would you be changing it? Especially with the likes of Carlow flying in it too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Giveitfong


    deiseach wrote: »
    Anyone got any insight into parking near Parnell Park? Feel free to say "don't even think about it boi."


    If you come a little early you could attend the Waterford Supporters Club (Dublin) breakfast event at St Vincent's GAA Club starting at 11.45. This includes a Breakfast Blaa and a Question and Answer session with former Waterford hurlers (plus Conor Gleeson, I believe) hosted by Newstalk's Oisín Langan. Cost €20 with free parking, about 10 minutes walk from Parnell Park. St Vincent's is at the end of the Casino Park road (mentioned by hardybuck), on the left off the Malahide Road coming from Fairview.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,684 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Aussie needs too up his game for the rest of the campaign

    Looked unfit last Saturday and made a lot of errors. At one point in the first half Noel Connors eat him out of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    hardybuck wrote: »
    Sure haven't the last two All Irelands been won by teams coming out of 1B? And the last 4 National League winners come from 1B?

    Why would you be changing it? Especially with the likes of Carlow flying in it too.

    You could argue that’s a reason to change it. There’s no obvious advantage to being in 1A when you see those type stats, so it’s possible they are trying to level it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Folks, if you buy tickets online does GA stand for General Admission? Or is it a row/seat in one of the stands as can't get a stadium plan for the grounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭enoughtaken


    chinguetti wrote: »
    Folks, if you buy tickets online does GA stand for General Admission? Or is it a row/seat in one of the stands as can't get a stadium plan for the grounds.

    No seating plan. 1st in has 1st choice. General Admission.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭Jjjjjjjbarry


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Aussie needs too up his game for the rest of the campaign

    Looked unfit last Saturday and made a lot of errors. At one point in the first half Noel Connors eat him out of it

    His distribution was very good in second half but I agree that he needs to up his game. The ball needs to stick in his hand more and he needs to bust into rucks and win some dirty ball instead of hanging back waiting for the break.
    He has all the skills and proven he can do it at the highest level so let's just hope he has an injury free year and gets his form back. We definitely need him at his best to win an All Ireland. He's our ace card.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭cbwfd


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Aussie needs too up his game for the rest of the campaign

    Looked unfit last Saturday and made a lot of errors. At one point in the first half Noel Connors eat him out of it

    Actually thought there was a huge difference in Aussies conditioning last Saturday compared to the Clare Munster league game. Shows he's put in serious effort over the last few weeks.

    Always feel he is a victim of his own huge talents. Anyone else would have walked into an All Star in 2017 with his performances that year but coming off of HOTY and YHOTY in 2016 it was seen as a poorer year. The better you are the more you're criticized for sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    Great to have home championship games on the horizon in Walsh Park...the much maligned county board are getting their house in order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,452 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    cbwfd wrote: »
    Actually thought there was a huge difference in Aussies conditioning last Saturday compared to the Clare Munster league game. Shows he's put in serious effort over the last few weeks

    Agree completely. Worlds apart from his phyiscal condition at the end of January


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Aussie needs too up his game for the rest of the campaign

    Looked unfit last Saturday and made a lot of errors. At one point in the first half Noel Connors eat him out of it

    Yeah, we really need him firing on all cylinders in February :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Great to have home championship games on the horizon in Walsh Park...the much maligned county board are getting their house in order.

    Has that been confirmed by the Munster council? The capacity is terrible but Waterford are due a few home games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Pling


    The Waterford GAA suporters Club -Dublin are hosting a pre match event this Sunday (24th) from 11:45 in St. Vincent's GAA CLUB. Great place to park before the match

    We will be joined for our pre match event in St. Vincents GAA Club Marino by Conor Gleeson (Waterford senior hurler), Humphrey Kelleher (former Waterford hurler & Dublin hurling manager) & Oisin Langan as MC.

    €20 - Adults
    Free - Kids

    We will kick off at 11:45 with breakfast blaa’s

    All money raised goes directly to Waterford Gaa teams (all grades of hurlers, camogie and football)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,684 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    we could actually be 3rd in the table come sunday if results dont go our way

    Galway beat Offaly (which is very much expected) they move too 7pts. Dublin beat us than they move onto 6pts and would move ahead of us into 2nd place on h2h. We would then go 3rd

    A win for us will keep us top even with Galway beating Offaly and next sunday (3rd Mar vs Galway) will be a straight out battle for 1st/2nd place. Same if ourselves and Dublin draw (Galway 7pts, Waterford 7pts, Dublin 5pts going into the last day)

    tbh Sunday the real **** starts for Fanning and the team. All hard games from here on. If the rumours were to be believed Dublin manager Mattie Kenny was almost our manager a few months ago and will prob have a small idea of what to expect from us


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Fred C Dobbs


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    we could actually be 3rd in the table come sunday if results dont go our way

    Galway beat Offaly (which is very much expected) they move too 7pts. Dublin beat us than they move onto 6pts and would move ahead of us into 2nd place on h2h. We would then go 3rd

    A win for us will keep us top even with Galway beating Offaly and next sunday (3rd Mar vs Galway) will be a straight out battle for 1st/2nd place. Same if ourselves and Dublin draw (Galway 7pts, Waterford 7pts, Dublin 5pts going into the last day)

    tbh Sunday the real **** starts for Fanning and the team. All hard games from here on. If the rumours were to be believed Dublin manager Mattie Kenny was almost our manager a few months ago and will prob have a small idea of what to expect from us


    ‘Every silver lining has a cloud’ for you. With Waterford’s points difference, wouldn’t Dublin have to beat Waterford by a cricket score to leapfrog them ?

    In any event, there is no way this Dublin team will beat Waterford, unless we have a repeat of the last time we played Dublin in Parnell Park (which I was there for), i.e. Davey somehow thought it would be good preparation to bring the lads to a boxing match in The Point, the night before).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Gardner


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    we could actually be 3rd in the table come sunday if results dont go our way

    Galway beat Offaly (which is very much expected) they move too 7pts. Dublin beat us than they move onto 6pts and would move ahead of us into 2nd place on h2h. We would then go 3rd

    A win for us will keep us top even with Galway beating Offaly and next sunday (3rd Mar vs Galway) will be a straight out battle for 1st/2nd place. Same if ourselves and Dublin draw (Galway 7pts, Waterford 7pts, Dublin 5pts going into the last day)

    tbh Sunday the real **** starts for Fanning and the team. All hard games from here on. If the rumours were to be believed Dublin manager Mattie Kenny was almost our manager a few months ago and will prob have a small idea of what to expect from us

    Waterford -2 in the bookies is bet of the weekend! Dublin wont be within 5 points of us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Ian OB


    Notionally our match against Galway is a home fixture for us. But, as we are being forced to play this one at a neutral venue because we were bold last year does anyone know where it'll be on? Trying to get myself organised as it looks like being the only league match I'll get to this year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭tonc76


    Ian OB wrote: »
    Notionally our match against Galway is a home fixture for us. But, as we are being forced to play this one at a neutral venue because we were bold last year does anyone know where it'll be on? Trying to get myself organised as it looks like being the only league match I'll get to this year.

    We lost home advantage in the first match of the campaign v Offaly which was played in Thurles. The Galway match is at home but no indication of whether it'll be Fraher or Walsh Park yet afaik


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