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More gender pay gap rubbish

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  • #62
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    professore wrote: »
    Top story on independent.ie... Male graduates paid 4k more than women... With zero explanations.




    Is there any possibility that more women study humanities than men... Fields that are not in demand in the jobs market... Or are companies and government bodies so sexist they go out of their way and risk huge fines and bad publicity to pay women less? Hmmmm...

    Who is driving this narrative?


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/teachers-top-the-pay-league-for-new-graduates-but-gender-pay-gap-remains-37825469.html

    As an aside, these poor teachers earn more out of college than ANY OTHER TYPE OF GRADUATE!!!!! And they will be out on strike again looking for more since the nurses already got what they want. Crazy.

    The contrast in comparison to lastweek when a study on college dropouts showed that 10% more men dropped out than women, the articles written about it quickly explained why that was the case.


  • #63
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Actually they probably will get paid less here as when they negotiate their pay they probably won't know the local market.
    I work as a contractor and my boss accidentally sent out daily rates paid to all the contractors. My Indian colleagues were very annoyed to see I was paid 50% more than them. The thing was it wasn't because of race but because I negotiated my rate on joining with a built in increase on renewals.
    One women claimed it was sexism because we started at the same time and had similar experience. The thing is I asked for more money or I wouldn't take the job she accepted what they initially offered and no increase later. I had been contracting longer so knew what to do.
    Eventually they asked me to take a cut as it bothered others. As the information was not meant to be sent around I said just tell people I got a pay cut.
    The women took a pay cut and the Indian people got a rate rise. When I met her a few years later I laughed how I never took a pay cut and I hoped she didn't either. She did and earned about €100 less a day than me for a year. She was really mad but it wasn't sexism it was poor negotiation skills.

    Doubt hse employees individually negotiate


  • #64
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Hedgelayer wrote: »
    Never...

    Women chosen for their looks and not brains.

    That would be very unprofessional.

    You don't need brains to read the news.


  • #65
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    The old argument is if women are really paid less and therefore cheaper, then just employ women and save a fortune. It seems RTE and Channel 4 news have done this.

    Maybe women in the private sector don't understand that you are paid what you ask for, not what you are worth? If an employer was truly sexist they wouldn't employ women at all. Best situation for an employer is an employee that works like a dog, never leaves and never asks for a raise. Loyalty is actively punished. Why should an employer pay more than they have to? That's terrible business. More women than men are like this. And female business owners understand this every bit as well as male business owners.

    The friends I have who earn the most have changed jobs several times. And moved countries. They both work very long hours. They both are often away days or weeks at a time on business. If you work part time or 9-5 or want to be home with your kids you can't expect to earn the same as them. And women in their roles earn the same and work just as hard. Most have no kids or a full time nanny.

    Watched C4 news recently and it struck me that they have no men at all. I think you would have to go back a LONG time to find a similar situation with a single gender news channel.


  • #66
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Calhoun wrote: »
    The contrast in comparison to lastweek when a study on college dropouts showed that 10% more men dropped out than women, the articles written about it quickly explained why that was the case.

    And what was the conclusion?

    I would guess more men did STEM, particularly IT "because they like gaming" and think IT is like that LOL and these courses need both a massive interest and aptitude in mathematics to pass.


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  • #67
    Ri_Nollaig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    professore wrote: »
    I would guess more men did STEM, particularly IT "because they like gaming" and think IT is like that LOL and these courses need both a massive interest and aptitude in mathematics to pass.

    Can't lie, I did Computer Science because I loved gaming! :D

    But you are right, while there was a massive difference in the ratio of M:F in the class, I think it was about 80:10 [of which about 4 from that 10 reached graduation]. There was a lot of lads who clearly know/had interest in computers and were good but had no idea what the course was really about, they were gone before Christmas.


  • #68
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    professore wrote: »
    And what was the conclusion?

    I would guess more men did STEM, particularly IT "because they like gaming" and think IT is like that LOL and these courses need both a massive interest and aptitude in mathematics to pass.

    Well in my mech eng course, out of 50+ students there is a grand total of zero females.


  • #69
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    uptherebels wrote: »
    Well in my mech eng course, out of 50+ students there is a grand total of zero females.

    Misogynists !!!


  • #70
    mvl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭mvl


    Ri_Nollaig wrote: »
    Can't lie, I did Computer Science because I loved gaming! :D
    And I loved Maths ! While this was 20 years ago, there were aprox 30% ladies in my year graduating Computer Science; and I think the stats in my home country are improving.
    Wonder is this a "new" trend in here, women preferring not to do STEM ?
    - Cause I do look around in my workplace, we're probably around 25% women, but half of them would be graduates from foreign universities, like me.


  • #71
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    professore wrote: »
    And what was the conclusion?

    I would guess more men did STEM, particularly IT "because they like gaming" and think IT is like that LOL and these courses need both a massive interest and aptitude in mathematics to pass.

    Exactly it and it makes allot of sense. Its probably also the reason why male graduates are earning a bit more because they are going for STEM.

    However the article title would make it seem something more sinister is a foot.


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  • #72
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    professore wrote: »
    And what was the conclusion?

    I would guess more men did STEM, particularly IT "because they like gaming" and think IT is like that LOL and these courses need both a massive interest and aptitude in mathematics to pass.

    Exactly it and it makes allot of sense. Its probably also the reason why male graduates are earning a bit more because they are going for STEM.

    However the article title would make it seem something more sinister is a foot.


  • #73
    Cina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Cina


    Ri_Nollaig wrote: »
    Can't lie, I did Computer Science because I loved gaming! :D

    But you are right, while there was a massive difference in the ratio of M:F in the class, I think it was about 80:10 [of which about 4 from that 10 reached graduation]. There was a lot of lads who clearly know/had interest in computers and were good but had no idea what the course was really about, they were gone before Christmas.
    80:10? You must be rubbish at your job :)


  • #74
    Diceicle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    This guy is a champ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pdnkbs4l_g


  • #75
    mvl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭mvl


    Thought of this thread when reading this article - hence posting here.
    So when looking at percentages for women scientists/engineers across EU countries - actually Ireland is doing well, as it has almost 50%.
    https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/gender-equality-in-stem-is-possible-these-countries-prove-it-2631143807
    Now I assume an important number of these scientists/engineers are imported (meaning not grads from local universities, hence not included in article from OP).
    But also worth noting the observation in the second article (link here), that majority of female scientists (globally) seem to work for public/academic sector, while majority of men work in private sector (hence having more competitive wages ?!?). Interesting ...


  • #76
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Maybe the contracts are different like the public service.

    Maybe men do more overtime than women.

    In every low paid job I worked Men and Women got paid the same.


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