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thebaz · 16-02-2019 07:00PM

people are always banging on about equality in this country , but ther is no doubt people who pay for ther houses/accomadation through mortgages have way more rights than those of us who have to pay ****ing rent - if I didnt pay my rent for even 2 months, I'd be living on the streets, Fact.

Kidchameleon · 16-02-2019 07:10PM

thebaz wrote: »

people are always banging on about equality in this country , but ther is no doubt people who pay for ther houses/accomadation through mortgages have way more rights than those of us who have to pay ****ing rent - if I didnt pay my rent for even 2 months, I'd be living on the streets, Fact.

Go get a mortgage so, no one is stopping you

Fiery mutant · 16-02-2019 07:25PM

Car99 wrote: »

Not that simple and the taxpayer bailed out the banks If it was that simple now that the banks are back in profit why aren't they using this profit to pay off the national debt ?

Because the banks are private institutions, and have no obligation to pay off the national debt.

Teddy Daniels · 16-02-2019 07:45PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Both as bad as each other.

Cash is a freeloading leech who will go to her grave without contributing one positive thing to society and these two shouldn't have got away with not paying their debt for this long.

what two
Its only the mans debt, a marriage doesn't give you the other persons debts.

lbc2019 · 16-02-2019 07:49PM

Car99 wrote: »

Not that simple and the taxpayer bailed out the banks If it was that simple now that the banks are back in profit why aren't they using this profit to pay off the national debt ?

Well all but AIB and BOI are fcuked.

Galwayguy35 · 16-02-2019 07:55PM

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

what two
Its only the mans debt, a marriage doesn't give you the other persons debts.

It kinda does.

Mad_maxx · 16-02-2019 07:57PM

thebaz wrote: »

people are always banging on about equality in this country , but ther is no doubt people who pay for ther houses/accomadation through mortgages have way more rights than those of us who have to pay ****ing rent - if I didnt pay my rent for even 2 months, I'd be living on the streets, Fact.

Tenants who go rogue can get away with not paying for two years if they have enough neck and will face no sanction

jam_mac_jam · 16-02-2019 08:12PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

thebaz wrote: »

people are always banging on about equality in this country , but ther is no doubt people who pay for ther houses/accomadation through mortgages have way more rights than those of us who have to pay ****ing rent - if I didnt pay my rent for even 2 months, I'd be living on the streets, Fact.

Tenants who go rogue can get away with not paying for two years if they have enough neck and will face no sanction

That's not right either. There should be scricter penalties and a central register of tenants. It should effect your credit rating like any other bill

thebaz · 17-02-2019 02:22PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Tenants who go rogue can get away with not paying for two years if they have enough neck and will face no sanction

in todays market would be very surprised , especially in private sector - most people i know live in fear of not paying rent or getting a rental property.
People who own houses through mortgages seam much more secure - and to answer a previous poster sadly I do not earn near eneogh to get a mortgage in Dublin -

Poor Uncle Tom · 17-02-2019 02:26PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Tenants who go rogue can get away with not paying for two years if they have enough neck and will face no sanction

No when the landlord turns up with 6 people and evicts tenant and belongings and changes locks at the same time.

Kidchameleon · 17-02-2019 02:39PM

thebaz wrote: »

in todays market would be very surprised , especially in private sector - most people i know live in fear of not paying rent or getting a rental property.
People who own houses through mortgages seam much more secure - and to answer a previous poster sadly I do not earn near eneogh to get a mortgage in Dublin -

Buy a house outside Dublin or skill up

17-02-2019 04:24PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Tenants who go rogue can get away with not paying for two years if they have enough neck and will face no sanction

They can get an order against them for costs and to pay arrears, failing to do so would be a contempt of court. The point is, it's usually not worth exploring this, as tenants who are in arrears are usually in that situation because of low income in the first place.

Also - it should take no longer than six or seven months to evict a tenant, including getting an order from the District Court (in Dublin - it's probably an even quicker affair in rural Ireland).

Where are you getting the two year figure? Would you break that down, please?

The only way I can see that happening, is if the landlords hadn't noticed for a year or more that there was no rent coming in. In which case, my sympathy is limited enough.

17-02-2019 04:26PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

No when the landlord turns up with 6 people and evicts tenant and belongings and changes locks at the same time.

In that case, the landlord may end up owing the tenant a lot more money in damages.

The Landlord doesn't get to walk into the property and kick out the tenants, even after a court order has been issued. I know - I've been there with family who is a private landlord. You have to get the sheriff involved.

BattleCorp · 17-02-2019 04:31PM

Car99 wrote: »

But do these "free houses" this thread refers to cost the tax payer anything ?

Do these " free houses" not actually save the tax payer money because the occupiers don't need social housing while they are housed in these "free houses"

Tenager is a US vulture fund who bought 2000 bad mortgages including this one from Bank of Scotland in 2014 . They knew what they were getting into its their business . Why the outrage on behalf of a faceless US debt collecting fund?

Find something worth getting outraged about .

It is something to get outraged about. Because when someone doesn't pay their mortgage, other mortgage payers have to pay extra to cover the non-payment.

branie2 · 17-02-2019 04:34PM

Great idea

Atoms for Peace · 17-02-2019 04:35PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Buy a house outside Dublin or skill up

Dosent work it you want a semplence of a functioning society. A city full of only yuppies and skangers isn't going to work.

Poor Uncle Tom · 17-02-2019 05:18PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In that case, the landlord may end up owing the tenant a lot more money in damages.

The Landlord doesn't get to walk into the property and kick out the tenants, even after a court order has been issued. I know - I've been there with family who is a private landlord. You have to get the sheriff involved.

I understand the chain involved, I also know of a case where the landlord did exactly what I printed, with no kickback.

If a tenant is not paying the contracted rent, they shouldn't be in the property.
If a tenant can't pay the contracted rent, they shouldn't be in the property.
If a tenant can but won't pay the contracted rent, they shouldn't be in the property.

I'm not saying it would work in all cases, certainly not where there are children involved. However, I know it worked in at least one case.

17-02-2019 05:30PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I understand the chain involved, I also know of a case where the landlord did exactly what I printed, with no kickback.

That Landlord was very lucky. The tenant probably had a pretty straightforward claim.

There's a good reason why diligent, professional landlords don't carry on like that.

Poor Uncle Tom · 17-02-2019 05:39PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That Landlord was very lucky. The tenant probably had a pretty straightforward claim.

Not in that particular case, it turned out even the references provided were fraudulent, the tenants didn't intend to pay any rent at all, just get a free property for a year or two while all the red tape got played out and then move on again.

thebaz · 17-02-2019 05:40PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

skill up

thanks for the advice - you smug

17-02-2019 05:43PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Not in that particular case, it turned out even the references provided were fraudulent, the tenants didn't intend to pay any rent at all, just get a free property for a year or two while all the red tape got played out and then move on again.

None of that means that a Landlord has the right to take it upon himself to enter a property which s/he has leased.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 17-02-2019 05:46PM

Car99 wrote: »

Not that simple and the taxpayer bailed out the banks If it was that simple now that the banks are back in profit why aren't they using this profit to pay off the national debt ?

Firstly it is that simple, the taxpayers did in fact pay for the banks’ mistakes. If you are asking why we are not using bank profits to pay down debt, that’s a good question. Maybe we are.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 17-02-2019 05:49PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Buy a house outside Dublin or skill up

You’re lovely.

Renters (and I am not one) are correct in being angry at having to pay taxes to both subsidise a rental market that, because of HAP, has a floor that protects rental prices from falling and keeps them higher, and bailouts that protect mortgage holders.

Poor Uncle Tom · 17-02-2019 05:55PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

None of that means that a Landlord has the right to take it upon himself to enter a property which s/he has leased.

Really! I thought a landlord had a right to enter their own property.

fullstop · 17-02-2019 06:25PM

Gatling wrote: »

They are all as bad as each other just playing the game and sympathy card ,

Exactly. Only difference is that if these two are kicked out there won’t be a mob coming to beat up whoever repossesses the home.

17-02-2019 06:45PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Really! I thought a landlord had a right to enter their own property.

Not unless there is an emergency or a tenant has agreed. Landlords lease residential property for a profit, and there are risks that correspond to any business activity. No diligent, responsible landlord is going to enter a property or eject a tenant without pursuing the proper legal channels.

TCM · 20-02-2019 10:52AM

lbc2019 wrote:

They are spongers too- like Ivan Yates

One of the best. Horrible person.

26-02-2019 12:35AM

So, not a word in The Irish Times about who will be paying the ridiculously extortionate legal fees charged by the closed, protected, self-regulating clique known as the barristers of Ireland.

Couple removed from social housing list resolve dispute with Dublin council: Woman who bought €2,000 flat in Latvia to be placed on list under resolution of court case

What a ridiculous case; but when the taxpayer is paying and dodgy barristers endure no penalties for bringing such cases, it's a crooked game. And if it's only €2000 to buy an apartment in Latvia, perhaps it might be sensible, albeit initially painful, to get rid of loads more such parasites by buying them houses in their own country, and then ensuring that non-Irish citizens cannot go on the housing list anymore?

26-02-2019 12:36AM

Just for good measure:

Council renovated one Sandycove home at cost of over €200,000

Any chance they could put that public money into buying three or four houses in a cheaper part of Ireland? Nobody has a right to live in Dublin when the same amount of taxpayers' money could provide social houses for 3 or 4 families in a cheaper part of Ireland. It's completely unjustified to give people who don't work a state home in an expensive area by virtue of it being their "local area" in a society where most Irish working people must leave their local area to find work in a larger urban area or abroad.

klaaaz · 08-03-2019 07:25PM

Typical for the wealthy entitled class, their 1.2m debt has been written off

:mad:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/restaurateur-ronan-ryan-and-exmiss-ireland-pamela-flood-wont-have-to-pay-any-of-1-2m-debt-on-dublin-home-37893072.html

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