Going for walks in hi vis jackets

Cookie_Monster · 12-02-2019 11:27PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

'Dangerises' - what the actual **** does that even mean?

:rolleyes:
It means it gives a perception that an activity is more dangerous than it actually is. There is no need at all for high vis but the public now have the perception that it's required when you go for a walk or cycle and it becomes part of the narrative. Look at how the RSA for example promote it while virtually ignoring the need for proper lighting on bikes.
Same with helmets on bikes, plenty of research around it.

meeeeh · 12-02-2019 11:29PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

it IS an obsession, notably only in the anglophone world. you won't see it in Holland for example. Anywhere where pedestrians / cyclists are prioritised over cars it's not a thing.

As I said we were given highlight yellow scarfs and reflectors when starting school more than 30 years ago. In fact where I come from it's illegal for pedestrians to walk on the main unlit roads without reflector or torch. The vest might be more common here but don't think that other countries have no rules or advice regarding visibility in the dark. Similarly you would be fined if you don't have hi viz, lightbulb kit (I don't know how this works with newer lights), in date first aid kit and safety triangle in your car. So it's definitely not just in Anglophone world.

odyssey06 · 12-02-2019 11:33PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes:
It means it gives a perception that an activity is more dangerous than it actually is. There is no need at all for high vis but the public now have the perception that it's required when you go for a walk or cycle and it becomes part of the narrative. Look at how the RSA for example promote it while virtually ignoring the need for proper lighting on bikes.
Same with helmets on bikes, plenty of research around it.

I dont have that perception. I agree lights are more important than hivis but I dont see why that makes hivis worthless. Or why choosing to wear one somehow implies lights should not be used.

freshpopcorn · 12-02-2019 11:38PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

ok so, are you going to go and paint your car in high vis? If it makes the tiniest difference...

Don't most cars have little reflectors on the rear of them around the lights anyway?

Mister Vain · 12-02-2019 11:39PM

I recently saw a woman walking with a pram on the main road with no high vis in the fecking dark. Only saw her just in time too.

malinheader · 12-02-2019 11:54PM

Mister Vain wrote: »

I recently saw a woman walking with a pram on the main road with no high vis in the fecking dark. Only saw her just in time too.

Perhaps she didn't want to seem obsessed, anglophobed,stupid or be a clown as some people see it. Cant understand people who cant grasp the benefits of hi vis for both pedestrians and road users.

debok · 13-02-2019 12:22AM

Can't believe someone started a thread giving out about hi Vis. Jesus everyone has to give out or have an opinion on all sorts of bull**** now . Giving out about someone wearing a bright coloured top. Like it's just a top that's a different colour.

flatface · 13-02-2019 01:26AM

malinheader wrote: »

Perhaps she didn't want to seem obsessed, anglophobed,stupid or be a clown as some people see it. Cant understand people who cant grasp the benefits of hi vis for both pedestrians and road users.

How often do you wear a high vis jacket in your average day? If taking every precaution is your sense of the issue, why would you not wear high vis 24/7 just in case?

malinheader · 13-02-2019 01:33AM

flatface wrote: »

How often do you wear a high vis jacket in your average day? If taking every precaution is your sense of the issue, why would you not wear high vis 24/7 just in case?

I wear hi vis when I need to wear it. To keep me safe and the safety of other people in mind.

flatface · 13-02-2019 01:39AM

malinheader wrote: »

I wear hi vis when I need to wear it. To keep me safe and the safety of other people in mind.

Like when and when don’t you specifically? Where is the line at which you don’t need high vis safety equipment?

Cookie_Monster · 13-02-2019 01:40AM

malinheader wrote: »

I wear hi vis when I need to wear it. To keep me safe and the safety of other people in mind.

do you wear water wings in the shower?

Alrigghtythen · 13-02-2019 08:14AM

flatface wrote: »

Like when and when don’t you specifically? Where is the line at which you don’t need high vis safety equipment?

Bright daylight. It's really not that hard to understand.

meeeeh · 13-02-2019 08:19AM

Some here actually take it as personal slight that anyone would wear hi vis. It doesn't affect you so why the outrage. But I know I'm much better seen on a narrow enough road in the dark. Yes if someone hit me it would be their fault but it would be me who would be hurt.

flatface · 13-02-2019 08:20AM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Bright daylight. It's really not that hard to understand.

So at night you personally wear high vis at all times anywhere near a road? While walking, cycling, driving?

Alrigghtythen · 13-02-2019 08:23AM

flatface wrote: »

So at night you personally wear high vis at all times anywhere near a road? While walking, cycling, driving?

Why would I wear it when driving? My car has lights which make it visible.

I have a few in the boot though in case I break down. But yes, if walking or cycling. What do you wear?

flatface · 13-02-2019 08:25AM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Why would I wear it when driving? My car has lights which make it visible. I have a few in the boot though in case I break down. But yes, if walking or cycling. What do you wear?

How do you get to and from your car without walking? Do you take your vest off in the car?

Alrigghtythen · 13-02-2019 08:27AM

flatface wrote: »

How do you get to and from your car without walking? Do you take your vest off in the car?

Do you not wear one because you're too cool?

flatface · 13-02-2019 08:30AM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Do you not wear one because you're too cool?

I’ll answer your question if you answer mine first. Do you need high vis to get to and from your car? And why not at night?

Alrigghtythen · 13-02-2019 08:32AM

flatface wrote: »

I’ll answer your question if you answer mine first. Do you need high vis to get to and from your car? And why not at night?

My car parked in my drive? No I carried out a risk assessment and decided it was safe to go from my front door to my car. The area is well lit by my outside light and there's is no passing traffic. I dont have to cross any roads. I am not a hazard to other road users.

Tell us how cool you are

meeeeh · 13-02-2019 08:36AM

flatface wrote: »

I’ll answer your question if you answer mine first. Do you need high vis to get to and from your car? And why not at night?

Are you one of those ignorant people who park on the road and block everyone? Why would you need it if you park in the car park or in front of your house.

I get you are opposed to hi viz but you are actually so opposed you intentionally misrepresent driving statistics and make up weird arguments just for the sake of argument. Is there some sort of anti hi vis cult?

flatface · 13-02-2019 08:44AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Are you one of those ignorant people who park on the road and block everyone? Why would you need it if you park in the car park or in front of your house.

I get you are opposed to hi viz but you are actually so opposed you intentionally misrepresent driving statistics and make up weird arguments just for the sake of argument. Is there some sort of anti hi vis cult?

What about at your destination though? Lots of cars that may not see you?

As for me, I moved specifically to an area where I can walk many places on well lit good paths. I walk to the local shop and walk kids to school everyday. I try to leave the car at home. I am lucky and think more people should be given the same quality infrastructure if public policy was focused on that instead of cheap high vis jackets. People need to be encouraged out of their cars for short safe journeys, saying that you need high vis for a well lit journey has the opposite effect.

Alrigghtythen · 13-02-2019 08:51AM

Why would we take safety precautions based on the infrastructure we *should* have and not the one we have?

no.8 · 13-02-2019 08:52AM

flatface wrote:

How do you get to and from your car without walking? Do you take your vest off in the car?

Beyond ridiculous

meeeeh · 13-02-2019 08:56AM

flatface wrote: »

What about at your destination though? Lots of cars that may not see you?

As for me, I moved specifically to an area where I can walk many places on well lit good paths. I walk to the local shop and walk kids to school everyday. I try to leave the car at home. I am lucky and think more people should be given the same quality infrastructure if public policy was focused on that instead of cheap high vis jackets. People need to be encouraged out of their cars for short safe journeys, saying that you need high vis for a well lit journey has the opposite effect.

Right so you moved specifically to an area that makes your lifestyle safer yet you object when others get a cheap vest for their lifestyle to be safer. Ok that makes sense.

flatface · 13-02-2019 08:56AM

no.8 wrote: »

Beyond ridiculous

No more than needing to wear a high vis vest to walk on a well lit path. Totally ridiculous

Alrigghtythen · 13-02-2019 08:57AM

flatface wrote: »

I’ll answer your question if you answer mine first. Do you need high vis to get to and from your car? And why not at night?

Still waiting for an answer

flatface · 13-02-2019 09:01AM

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Still waiting for an answer

Sorry I replied to meeeh instead. See answer above.

flatface · 13-02-2019 09:03AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Right so you moved specifically to an area that makes your lifestyle safer yet you object when others get a cheap vest for their lifestyle to be safer. Ok that makes sense.

The topic is lit paths, this is my area. I think you may be Talking about something else?

sbsquarepants · 13-02-2019 09:05AM

flatface wrote: »

No more than needing to wear a high vis vest to walk on a well lit path. Totally ridiculous

Where I live it goes from well lit path, to pitch dark windy road, several times.

I have had several minor and one major scare, where I've come around a bend and there's a person on the side of the road (often on the wrong side). I've noticed the ones who wear vests are A - far easier to see in the dark, by an absolutely enormous degree and B - tend to have a bit more road sense to begin with.

Better to look like a forklift driver and make it home to your own bed than to totally rock the LIDL outdoor look all the way to A and E or even worse.

No matter how entitled you feel to walk wherever you want wearing whatever you want, it's going to bloody hurt if I plough into you at 30 / 40 miles an hour because I didn't see you there.

It's very unlikely to hurt me!

meeeeh · 13-02-2019 09:14AM

flatface wrote: »

The topic is lit paths, this is my area. I think you may be Talking about something else?

Ah sorry I didn't know you were op. And I thought you were generalizing what everyone should be doing.

Going for walks in hi vis jackets

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