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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

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  • #9602
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    First Up wrote: »
    The Single Market will not be compromised. Neither will the Common External Tariff, the Common Agricultural Policy or the common food and technical standards. Nor will a member state be disadvantaged in its membership by reason of geography or the actions of departing member.

    To fail to understand this is to fail to understand what the EU is, where it has come from and where it is going. The EU will do what needs to be done.
    Oh boy.

    An industrial island nation that needs to do trade deals with everyone* that matters ?
    *Except of course they can't do it with China and US because they aren't into fair trade deals.


    The EU's Jean-Claude Juncker said the pact, which took years to agree, was about "values and principles".
    I LOL'd when I read that bit. Really.


    And this bit is just comedy gold with 59 days to go.
    The UK's Department for International Trade has said the EU-Japan trade deal would increase UK GDP by up to £3bn "in the longer term".[/QUOTE
    ]

    More details - Hard Brexit means the UK looses 40 deals with 70 countries.
    The world's biggest such deal, it covers nearly a third of global GDP and 635 million people.

    It comes as a trade war rages between the US and China, who have slapped tariffs on each others' products.
    ...
    European service exports to Japan are currently worth €28bn a year
    ...
    CPTPP and its EU deal mean 2019 has already seen Japan enter a free trade sphere of a billion people.


  • #9603
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,617 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Mrs May says UK will leave EU on 29 March. So, in a "no deal" exit, this will break the Good Friday agreement. Can Ireland go to a UN court or something to force UK to abide by the agreement ?
    I suppose any country can break international peace agreements. Adolf Hitler broke many such agreements.

    If it could go to court the DUP would be in jail, thus relieving May and the good people of the UK of a terrible burden. But the DUP will pay a price imo, a border poll. The Tories won't forget.


  • #9604
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    Any truth to this?

    The EU won't have to make any threats or turn against us, if the British fail to uphold the GFA then we will erect a hard border ourselves. The single market is our market, we have to protect it. The UK will also have to put up a hard border if they don't want to be flooded with cheep goods from all over.


  • #9605
    ThePanjandrum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭ThePanjandrum


    tuxy wrote: »
    The GFA says that both the UK and Ireland must work together to align policies on both sides of the border.

    I don't see how the UK can implement a hard brexit without breaking this agreement.

    Borders and customs arrangement cannot be discussed in the North-South Council as it is outside its competence.


  • #9606
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,617 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The EU won't have to make any threats or turn against us, if the British fail to uphold the GFA then we will erect a hard border ourselves. The single market is our market, we have to protect it. The UK will also have to put up a hard border if they don't want to be flooded with cheep goods from all over.

    I think we have to start the discussion about this. Putting on the green jersey and protecting the SM as you say.
    But for that to work, FG need to fill the vacuum and start pushing hard and unequivocally for a UI. We cannot isolate those in the north again as Lynch did when he allowed a reluctant IRA to fill the vacuum back in the day. Take partition by the scruff of the neck and end it. Not everyone is going to be happy, that is just a reality of this.


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  • #9607
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Interestingly, the Swedish Democrats have dropped demands for an in-out referendum from their political platform, and now want to reform EU institutions from within:

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sd-byter-fot-vill-inte-langre-lamna-eu

    Ironically, many Eurosceptic parties are moving closer to the centre, and joining the ECR, so if Cameron had held his nerve, the UK would have been in a rather more powerful position after May's elections.


  • #9608
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This thread is nearing the 10,000 post mark. Thanks to everyone involved. There is a new thread open here. This thread will be locked shortly. Please feel free to start posting in the new thread and by all means quote posts from this one if preferable.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #9609
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    This thread is nearing the 10,000 post mark. Thanks to everyone involved. There is a new thread open here. This thread will be locked shortly. Please feel free to start posting in the new thread and by all means quote posts from this one if preferable.

    Locked.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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