Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

hurler32 · 01-02-2019 10:35AM

Is it any wonder why so many people voted for Peter Casey ??

Two parties though really seem to be on the travellers side ... unlikely bedfellows but

Fine Gael who gave them special ethnic status , Leo who told people not to vote for Casey .. not to mention Fine Gael closing most rural Garda stations allowing traveller gangs do what they want ..or is it

Sinn Fein who can’t be far off making John Connors their president and are constantly defending travellers after all sorts of mad stuff ..even their counciller in Thurles resigned in the past fortnight over Sinn Fein head office backing travellers in Thurles who wanted stables with their new houses ..

blanch152 · 01-02-2019 01:06PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Have you been ranting and railing about travellers? If you have and you genuinely see yourself as a protector of women, you could take a good look at this thread and ask why denigrating a section of the population for how they speak, dress, live and talk, is ever right. A lot of people see racism as what happens far away from them, and can't admit to it right under their noses. I don't agree with many aspects of traveller culture, especially the treatment of women and children, but I can't accept this blanket bashing of every traveller in the country. It us dangerous to allow what is hate speech, go unchallenged.
But to be honest , boards.ie allows this, on Afterhours, and I wonder if some of the more extreme and regular posters on this sort of thread are in fact paid boardsies trying to rack up text counts.

I have not been ranting and railing about travellers. I have criticised many many aspects of traveller culture from its deeply misogynistic practices to its tolerance and encouragement of criminality.

For Margaret Cash, I have nothing but pity. As a young Traveller girl, taken out of education at a young age, married off to a brute of a husband, turned into a baby factory, what chance did she ever have? Margaret Cash is a product of a deeply problematic traveller culture and will carry the scars of that culture for the rest of her life.

I have repeatedly asked for positive aspects of traveller culture and have yet to be given any unique example.

Gravelly · 01-02-2019 01:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I have not been ranting and railing about travellers. I have criticised many many aspects of traveller culture from its deeply misogynistic practices to its tolerance and encouragement of criminality.

For Margaret Cash, I have nothing but pity. As a young Traveller girl, taken out of education at a young age, married off to a brute of a husband, turned into a baby factory, what chance did she ever have? Margaret Cash is a product of a deeply problematic traveller culture and will carry the scars of that culture for the rest of her life.

I have repeatedly asked for positive aspects of traveller culture and have yet to be given any unique example.

You, I, and many others have repeatedly asked for any positive or unique features of traveller culture on this and many other threads ad nauseum, and as yet I haven't been given a single one either - if travellers are a seperate ethnicity, I can't understand why nobody can give us some examples of their unique culture. I could list off unique aspects of just about any other culture, from the aztecs to the zulus, yet nobody can find one for the travellers. It's almost as if they aren't really a separate ethnicity with their own unique culture at all, and the whole thing was made up to scam money and deflect criticism......

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 01-02-2019 01:24PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

If you have and you genuinely see yourself as a protector of women, you could take a good look at this thread and ask why denigrating a section of the population for how they speak, dress, live and talk, is ever right.

We're talking about a culture where girls are taken out of school at the age of 12, in case they become attracted to settled boys.

A culture that routinely marries girls off to their first and second cousins while they are still in their teens. This Traveller bride appeared on a reality TV show. She was 16 years and one day old when she got married.

A culture that is extremely patriarchal, and that expects a woman, once she is married, to be completely subservient to her husband in all things.

A culture that frowns on the use of contraception, and where 40 percent of Traveller women have 6 or more children.

A culture of pervasive domestic violence, where between 60 and 80 percent of married Traveller women report being physically abused by their husbands.

And a culture of pervasive criminality, where more than one in five women in Irish prisons are Travellers.

I find it hard to see how caring about women is compatible with defending Traveller culture.

Paddy Cow · 01-02-2019 01:33PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Doesn't she look so happy and excited to be getting married!

01-02-2019 01:35PM

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 01-02-2019 01:37PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Doesn't she look so happy and excited to be getting married!

I'm sure she was excited about beginning her career as a teenage baby factory mere hours after this photo was taken.

tayto lover · 01-02-2019 01:40PM

sligojoek wrote: »

That carry on was going on in Nenagh 20 yrs ago. It came to the stage no taxi would take a fare from Carthy's Cross halting site. "Sorry love. I'm busy for the next three hours". It would do the fat f*cks no harm to walk the 2km into town anyway.

Same was happening in Dundalk in the 1980’s.

Gravelly · 01-02-2019 01:48PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

I'm sure she was excited about beginning her career as a teenage baby factory mere hours after this photo was taken.

Not to mention a punchbag - a report a while ago showed traveller women are at least 30 times more likely to suffer domestic abuse than "settled" women, but predicted that rates are actually much higher even than that because domestic abuse is so ingrained in traveller "culture" that many traveller women don't even realise that being beaten by their husbands is wrong.

LollipopJimmy · 01-02-2019 01:48PM

Omackeral wrote: »

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

Genuine question, is the hatred of people with disabilities born from some sort of religious thing a la Glenn Hoddle or is it that the father is seen as less of a man if he has a child with a disability?

Paddy Cow · 01-02-2019 02:07PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Genuine question, is the hatred of people with disabilities born from some sort of religious thing a la Glenn Hoddle or is it that the father is seen as less of a man if he has a child with a disability?

I'd imagine it's because they will require life long support without contributing themselves. Which is ironic.

normanoffside · 01-02-2019 02:41PM

Omackeral wrote: »

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

Yes, thats what gets me.
They are most racist and discriminatory element of irish society, yet when people criticise their culture then they are the racist ones. Go figure.

Mad_maxx · 01-02-2019 03:24PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes, thats what gets me.
They are most racist and discriminatory element of irish society, yet when people criticise their culture then they are the racist ones. Go figure.

Minorities are held to a lower standard.

Political correctness 101

BattleCorp · 01-02-2019 03:24PM

Omackeral wrote: »

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

They aren't overly enthused with us settled people either seeing as a common insult is for one traveller to call another traveller a "country man" or "country boy". Their word for us is "country people"

Apparently being likened to a settled person is an awful slur on a traveller.

KrustyUCC · 01-02-2019 03:25PM

Margaret shared this post

Guests on new Traveller-led channel to include Peter Casey

Presidential candidate saw popularity rise after controversial remarks about Traveller culture

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/guests-on-new-traveller-led-channel-to-include-peter-casey-1.3778097

Of course the article is written by Kitty Holland one of the guests on the show

Vincent Browne's quotes are interesting

Danged racist society

Browne said racism against Travellers was “almost part of the DNA of the settled community”

Aha

Nothing to do with traveller behaviour

Mad_maxx · 01-02-2019 03:26PM

Gravelly wrote: »

I've a friend who's a guard in a town well known for its traveller population. He attended a "crash" there recently in which a taxi with 3 travellers in it was rear-ended by another car. The car which rear-ended it barely touched the bumper - leaving no mark whatsoever - the other car drove off immediately. The taxi driver wasn't even going to stop, until all three travellers began screaming in pain. They insisted the emergency services were called, and when they arrived, claimed they all had neck injuries and insisted the fire brigade cut the roof off the car to remove them. Once the roof was cut off and neck collars attached to the "patients" they happily got out of the car, removed the collars and walked to the ambulance. The taxi driver told my friend that one of them had been on her phone giving their exact location to someone else just before the "crash" which of course was their accomplice in the car that tipped them.

Apparently this has become a regular thing now, with travellers having "accidents" in taxi's, and insisting that they have neck collars or spine boards fitted (requiring the destruction of the car and hours of fire brigade and ambulance time) so that their "injuries" are more serious.

They are arranging crashes with Dublin bus drivers as well, heard that from someone in Dublin bus

Paddy Cow · 01-02-2019 03:30PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Apparently being likened to a settled person is an awful slur on a traveller.

In fairness, that works the other way as well :pac:

ShaneC93 · 01-02-2019 03:39PM

I had thought this TraVision thing was an actual TV channel or show but no.. it's a YouTube channel with some of the worst production I've seen in a while - 90s / Windows movie-maker default graphics & transitions!

https://www.facebook.com/100007227857780/videos/2227940954123478/ (You can watch without a FB account)

On an actual TV channel they might have a hope of getting some non-traveller people to watch it but the only folks that are going to sit through that on YouTube will be the travellers who sit on Facebook all-day everyday with nothing better to do.

Gravelly · 01-02-2019 03:50PM

ShaneC93 wrote: »

I had thought this TraVision thing was an actual TV channel or show but no.. it's a YouTube channel with some of the worst production I've seen in a while - 90s / Windows movie-maker default graphics & transitions!

https://www.facebook.com/100007227857780/videos/2227940954123478/ (You can watch without a FB account)

On an actual TV channel they might have a hope of getting some non-traveller people to watch it but the only folks that are going to sit through that on YouTube will be the travellers who sit on Facebook all-day everyday with nothing better to do.

I thought the same.

If he hadn't said he was a traveller I wouldn't have guessed it. He'd want to cut the script a bit though, he goes on way too much.

padd b1975 · 01-02-2019 03:51PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I deal with personal injury claims for a good percentage of my working week and I can assure you that only a small percentage of these spurious claims are 'thrown out of court'.

All that happens when they get caught out for exaggerating their injuries is that they get up and walk away - scott free.

And even if costs were awarded against them, they wouldn't pay.

Unless there is an unbelievable overhaul of the system, there won't be a significant change in this behaviour.

Does a spurious claim affect their insurance renewal costs?

holliehobbie · 01-02-2019 04:05PM

I didn't think they paid insurance or tax?

Gravelly · 01-02-2019 04:08PM

holliehobbie wrote: »

I didn't think they paid insurance or tax?

They'll get it when they need it, for staged crashes - thus why it is so difficult to insure cars over 10 years old - travellers taking out insurance for crashes.

And when it's a txi, they don't need to even do that.

BBFAN · 01-02-2019 07:35PM

sexmag wrote: »

Also it's not hate or racist to point these things out.

What would be racist or hate is if people started saying "I f**king hate travellers, I wish they would die,im going to hurt them etc"

We are not and I for one actually wouldn't condone that behaviour and would actively discourage it,regardless of how I feel about travellers.

To point out an ethinc groups statistically proven facts is not racist dispite how unbecoming they are for that group

Tbf sexmag, not you but plenty have suggested killing them all off like you would rats so there is some of that going on. Maybe you haven't read them all but I certainly have and it just makes my stomach feel queasy when that sort of crap comes out of peoples mouths/keyboards.

BBFAN · 01-02-2019 07:48PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Margaret shared this post

Guests on new Traveller-led channel to include Peter Casey

Presidential candidate saw popularity rise after controversial remarks about Traveller culture

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/guests-on-new-traveller-led-channel-to-include-peter-casey-1.3778097

Of course the article is written by Kitty Holland one of the guests on the show

Vincent Browne's quotes are interesting

Danged racist society

Browne said racism against Travellers was “almost part of the DNA of the settled community”

Aha

Nothing to do with traveller behaviour

I think that article makes some good points especially regarding the four young men who died in a crash in Donegal. Is anyone saying "ah sure it's all their own fault for speeding/drink driving/driving a banger?

Nope, I haven't heard one person say that even though it may be true.

01-02-2019 07:49PM

Just seen her latest post on Facebook. Mother of sweet divine Christ.

01-02-2019 07:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just seen her latest post on Facebook. Mother of sweet divine Christ.

Well what does it say?

01-02-2019 07:51PM

BBFAN wrote: »

I think that article makes some good points especially regarding the four young men who died in a crash in Donegal. Is anyone saying "ah sure it's all their own fault for speeding/drink driving/driving a banger?

Nope, I haven't heard one person say that even though it may be true.

Knowing something to be true and suspecting it are two very different things. The drink/drugs/chip pan stuff only came out at the inquest.

01-02-2019 07:52PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Well what does it say?

It’s not what it says.

BBFAN · 01-02-2019 07:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Knowing something to be true and suspecting it are two very different things. The drink/drugs/chip pan stuff only came out at the inquest.

Are you saying that no-one blamed the travellers before the inquest?

Potential-Monke · 01-02-2019 07:53PM

Wow, didn't realise that moutpiece Brown was so pro-Travellers, going by his comments that it's ingrained into our DNA. It's not Vincent, their actions change the way we think. Prior to becoming a Garda around 2006, I didn't really have an opinion of them. Never had any real encounters with them aside from 1 time around 2006 just before becoming a Garda, driving through Limerick up Thomas St. A red hi-ace pulled out right in front of me, nearly hit me, I had to brake hard and steer left to avoid hitting him. He was coming out of a car park. I stood on the horn, and this big thick fat Traveller got out, pulled a wheel brace out of the drivers side pocket and started coming towards me. Needless to say I ****ing took off. Could have hit him, no idea if I did. Suppose that was me being racist, now that I think back....

But, that was 1 occurrence which didn't paint a picture for me. Then I became a Garda, and you might argue that I only saw the negative side of them. I'll argue, 13 years on, that there is no positive side, but I'm jumping ahead. My first encounter happened to be due to a fued, 2 families living in separate halting sites on the outskirts of the city decided they didn't like each other very much and started hacking at each other with slash hooks, baseball bats, hurleys, sickles, the usual stuff you'd just have lying around. A few of them nearly died, one lost most fingers on one hand, another has a beautiful battle scar running from just over his right eye back over the hear to the centre of his neck. Lucky it was a sickle, if it was a straight blade it would have gone through his skull. So we spent the following 4 months manning permanent checkpoints at the entrance to the 2 halting sites. 4 Gardaí for 16 hours a day, and 2 for 8 hours at night. Include the Gardaí required to cover breaks, and you get an idea of how many it took to ensure these 'people' didn't murder each other.

After that, we had the usual run ins, begging for money (begging = threatening old people), pulling their caravans and cars up on whatever bit of land they can find, robbing Pennys blind, the younger members of the community hung out around the pubs at closing and literally started hitting random people as they walked by. One laid a young fella out right in front of me, looked at me, started laughing and ran. I laughed as I knew who he was and arrested him about 10 minutes after he went to sleep at his house. Then I had the 'head' of the main crime family in the traveller community literally tell me that they do all this because they don't get pulled for it, the courts leave them off. He laughed at us every time we had to speak to him.

Oh, and the 'tradition' of calling everyone after their father, so they're all John, and it's a game of Where's Johnny when trying to find the John that's involved - 'Oh that must be me cousin Johnny, he left a few months back, don't know where he went'.

So experience of nothing but criminality has skewed my view. I quit the Gardaí after nearly 10 years (couldn't recommend to stay away from a job more than this one), and I can hand on heart say that Travellers have painted themselves in a negative light for me. Any prejudice or 'racism' ( :rolleyes: ) is well warranted due to my interactions with this minority.

Actually, I have red hair and blue eyes, the rarest combination on earth. Pretty sure I'm a smaller minority than travellers. So you can't say anything negative about me, or it's racism.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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