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Squidgy Black · 01-02-2019 11:25AM

mfceiling wrote: »

I get all the data it collects but what do you actually do with it? If you have a habit of going into a light sleep at 4.30 a.m the phone can't do anything about that.

It's supposed to detect if you're in a light sleep within half an hour of your alarm and wake you up or something.

I don't understand all this stuff about light sleep and circadian rhythms, I just know my sleep cycle's in a heap lately.

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 12:03PM

Zzippy wrote: »

How could a phone measure your sleep?

Apple Watch doesn’t have a sleep tracker in it, so it uses third party apps on the phone. Tried several of them, all crap. The Apple Watch wasn’t mine btw

I borrowed one to try track my sleep (waste of time).

The Fitbit seems fairly accurate, though as it uses movement it can be a thrown if like me you jump and twitch when going asleep overly tired. Most weekends when I get in from work it has me awake for about 2 hours, even though I’ve no recollection of being awake long after getting in.

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 12:07PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I get all the data it collects but what do you actually do with it? If you have a habit of going into a light sleep at 4.30 a.m the phone can't do anything about that.

It can help you identify patterns that disturb your sleep. Say eating late at night, watching tv or whatever. You need to achieve certain percentages of deep sleep and REM sleep every night. If you’re not doing this then you need to figure out what you can change i.e. no caffeine after 5 o’clock, no TV or phones in your room. It gathers data, it doesn’t fix anything for you though

thomond2006 · 01-02-2019 12:34PM

Can ye recommend a particular app?

Squidgy Black · 01-02-2019 01:03PM

This whole data breach from the hospitals of the information of women who've either enquired about abortion services or have had them carried out, is absolutely fúcking insane. There's people out there pretending to be medical professionals, contacting women and trying to lure them into false locations, and there seems to be a seriously blasé attitude to it from the government and the gardai.

thomond2006 · 01-02-2019 01:06PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

This whole data breach from the hospitals of the information of women who've either enquired about abortion services or have had them carried out, is absolutely fúcking insane. There's people out there pretending to be medical professionals, contacting women and trying to lure them into false locations, and there seems to be a seriously blasttitude to it from the government and the gardai.

It's not a major surprise to me sadly. There's some truly disturbed people out there, who think their actions are good.

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2019 01:19PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's not a major surprise to me sadly. There's some truly disturbed people out there, who think their actions are good.

The surprise is that there's actual medical professionals or someone who works with the data who have to be deliberately leaking it. I think more disturbing.

Squidgy Black · 01-02-2019 01:26PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's not a major surprise to me sadly. There's some truly disturbed people out there, who think their actions are good.

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

The surprise is that there's actual medical professionals or someone who works with the data who have to be deliberately leaking it. I think more disturbing.

Yeah for me the most scary/disturbing part of it is that there's someone employed by our national health service who is handing sensitive data like this over to someone who's using it for these methods.

And it's not the first occasion either, it happened out in Drogheda where the details of the first abortion procedure to be performed at the hospital were leaked.

reg114 · 01-02-2019 01:26PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

This whole data breach from the hospitals of the information of women who've either enquired about abortion services or have had them carried out, is absolutely fúcking insane. There's people out there pretending to be medical professionals, contacting women and trying to lure them into false locations, and there seems to be a seriously blasé attitude to it from the government and the gardai.

The Blase attitude you refer to is sadly endemic here and as a result there are zero ramifications for failing to uphold professional ethics and individual responsibility. The gardai are the last people to be looking to for a moral compass. You can include the failing judiciary with their separation of powers claptrap and their colonial wigs. While the british parliament is peopled by uneducated fops ( Eton doesnt count as education ) who who spend most of their time with their feet in their mouths, at least resignations actually happen when they fail to uphold standards , unlike the political classes here.

reg114 · 01-02-2019 01:29PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's not a major surprise to me sadly. There's some truly disturbed people out there, who think their actions are good.

But its the arrogance that people think that their ideology (based on religious beliefs or otherwise) should supersede someone else's that annoys me more than anything.

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 01:30PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

This whole data breach from the hospitals of the information of women who've either enquired about abortion services or have had them carried out, is absolutely fúcking insane. There's people out there pretending to be medical professionals, contacting women and trying to lure them into false locations, and there seems to be a seriously blasé attitude to it from the government and the gardai.

Don’t think the government or HSE have been blasé tbh. They are investigating which is probably the correct thing to do. Wait till the facts emerge and then respond. As with the case in the Coombe, things aren’t always exactly how the first present.

Buer · 01-02-2019 01:31PM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

The surprise is that there's actual medical professionals or someone who works with the data who have to be deliberately leaking it. I think more disturbing.

I find it abhorrent but I do not find it surprising in the slightest. 40 general practitioners walked out of a GP conference in December. There is a vocal minority within the medical field who objected to the abortion services proposal.

There would be a significant number of staff who would have access to records and not just those who work purely on the medical side of things. We're told repeatedly how archaic the Irish medical system is and still hasn't transitioned to electronic. All it takes is one person to be able to read and take a snap/photocopy of a document. It will be near impossible to catch them, I'd imagine.

Buer · 01-02-2019 01:36PM

stephen_n wrote: »

As with the case in the Coombe, things aren’t always exactly how the first present.

Whatever happened there in the end? Two TDs bring some hefty allegations forward in the Dáíl, the board completely refutes it and then nothing but silence since?

Squidgy Black · 01-02-2019 01:48PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Don’t think the government or HSE have been blasé tbh. They are investigating which is probably the correct thing to do. Wait till the facts emerge and then respond. As with the case in the Coombe, things aren’t always exactly how the first present.

Yes but the issue at hand isn't just the fact the data has leaked, it's that someone's actually acting on the data and contacting women to try and lure them to different locations under the pretence that they're a legitimate abortion clinic.

A HSE investigation could take matter of months (especially given the current issues with strikes/other ongoing investigations like the cervical check scandal).

Buer wrote: »

Whatever happened there in the end? Two TDs bring some hefty allegations forward in the Dáíl, the board completely refutes it and then nothing but silence since?

Yeah nothings come out since the board refuted it a couple of weeks ago, radio silence.

Dave_The_Sheep · 01-02-2019 01:54PM

Buer wrote: »

It will be near impossible to catch them, I'd imagine.

Most likely, yeah.

If someone is caught, then I hope that for once there's some sort of professional accountability and that person or persons never works in that field again.

... and has their name leaked. Goose, gander, etc.

Buer · 01-02-2019 01:57PM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Most likely, yeah.

If someone is caught, then I hope that for once there's some sort of professional accountability and that person or persons never works in that field again.

I should have added that it will be hard to catch them unless the main perpetrator volunteers the information which is a possibility.

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 02:11PM

Buer wrote: »

Whatever happened there in the end? Two TDs bring some hefty allegations forward in the Dáíl, the board completely refutes it and then nothing but silence since?

They didn’t refute the allegations, they just said it wasn’t the board that makes those decisions. The rest is is still under investigation by both the hospital and HSE.

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Yes but the issue at hand isn't just the fact the data has leaked, it's that someone's actually acting on the data and contacting women to try and lure them to different locations under the pretence that they're a legitimate abortion clinic.

A HSE investigation could take matter of months (especially given the current issues with strikes/other ongoing investigations like the cervical check scandal).

Yeah nothings come out since the board refuted it a couple of weeks ago, radio silence.

It has to be established first where the data came from. So far all that is known is the woman was contacted by a number the HSE has warned about. She didn’t answer and the well woman say they are confident they didn’t have a data breach. So that suggests the hospital/HSE. Without investigation though what can be done?

mfceiling · 01-02-2019 02:13PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Can ye recommend a particular app?

Tinder?

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 02:16PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Tinder?

you spelt Grindr wrong

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 02:19PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Can ye recommend a particular app?

Apps IMO are useless, you need something actually connected to you. Most of the fitness trackers contain this function. Fitbit is obviously the best, but if you don't fancy shelling out €150 (understandable). There are more entry level ones that are affordable.

Buer · 01-02-2019 02:20PM

stephen_n wrote: »

They didn’t refute the allegations, they just said it wasn’t the board that makes those decisions. The rest is is still under investigation by both the hospital and HSE.

I should clarify, the allegation made in the Dáil was that the woman was approved by two medical professionals for an abortion but the board of the Coombe overruled them.

Coppinger:

“One doctor, her consultant and another consultant was brought in who said yes, it is a fatal foetal abnormality but a week later, it went to the board, and the board over-ruled that,”

Coombe statement:

“The Board of Guardians and Directors of the Coombe Women & Infants University Hospital has no role whatsoever in certifying a termination of pregnancy,” a statement said.

“Insofar as recent media coverage has stated that the board has had a role in determining whether or not the criteria for certification have been met, those reports are untrue.”

So, whilst it would appear the abortion did not proceed, the details are very unclear and the details that were claimed in the Dáil were almost certainly inaccurate.

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 02:25PM

Buer wrote: »

I should clarify, the allegation made in the Dáil was that the woman was approved by two medical professionals for an abortion but the board of the Coombe overruled them.

Coppinger:

Coombe statement:

So, whilst it would appear the abortion did not proceed, the details are very unclear and the details that were claimed in the Dáil were almost certainly inaccurate.

Given the source in the Dail that's hardly surprising. However it doesn't seem to be disputed that the woman was approved by two medical professionals and the abortion didn't proceed. That's what is being investigated I think. Which is still a very serious issue.

It's that which makes me think it's better that these things are investigated properly (as long as the findings are fully public), before the lynch mob comes out.

sydthebeat · 01-02-2019 02:31PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Apps IMO are useless, you need something actually connected to you. Most of the fitness trackers contain this function. Fitbit is obviously the best, but if you don't fancy shelling out €150 (understandable). There are more entry level ones that are affordable.

https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/review/activity-trackers/mi-band-3-3679574/

the xiaomi mi band 3 is an excellent budget alternative

im a huge xiaomi fan

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 02:34PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/review/activity-trackers/mi-band-3-3679574/

the xiaomi mi band 3 is an excellent budget alternative

im a huge xiaomi fan

That's pretty amazing for that price, it's great what you can achieve when you steal ip :pac:

Sangre · 01-02-2019 02:59PM

Is there a boards.ie fantasy league? Can't see a thread.

The Lost Sheep · 01-02-2019 03:08PM

Sangre wrote: »

Is there a boards.ie fantasy league? Can't see a thread.

superbru. people who played last year and/or in 'boards.ie' club on superbru have invites. Search on site for boards.ie and you'll find it

sydthebeat · 01-02-2019 03:33PM

stephen_n wrote: »

That's pretty amazing for that price, it's great what you can achieve when you steal ip :pac:

you can get for as low as €25 on aliexpress

dregin · 01-02-2019 03:46PM

Sangre wrote: »

Is there a boards.ie fantasy league? Can't see a thread.

The Irish Times one is utterly bizarre. No limit on players per country, no selecting the kicker, so I've 3 in my team.

stephen_n · 01-02-2019 03:53PM

dregin wrote: »

The Irish Times one is utterly bizarre. No limit on players per country, no selecting the kicker, so I've 3 in my team.

Up to last year it didn’t have positions, just forwards and backs. It’s getting there, though I thought last year they’d limited it to 5 per country.

errlloyd · 01-02-2019 04:09PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Up to last year it didn’t have positions, just forwards and backs. It’s getting there, though I thought last year they’d limited it to 5 per country.

The last two years they've had positions and a budget.

The year before last it was mathematically impossible to pick an overbudget team, so the budget was just for show effectively.

Last year it was almost mathematically impossible to pick an under budget team that were all starting, until they got a rake of complaints and changed it just in time for the start of the season.

This year they have made it a free for all. I like it the most, because the stats you get points for are transparent. Fantasy Rugger etc magic would happen and a player would get a score. But IT are really all over the place. Not sure how you can select 3 goal kickers though.

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