Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Buer · 31-01-2019 11:15AM

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Munster should keep everybody.

thomond2006 · 31-01-2019 11:16AM

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Buer wrote: »

Munster should keep everybody.

Can we keep you too Buer? Stay with us at Munster, sure we sign most of ye anyway!

Buer · 31-01-2019 11:19AM

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thomond2006 wrote: »

Can we keep you too Buer? Stay with us at Munster, sure we sign most of ye anyway!

Never. It's not like I'm from Kildare.

thomond2006 · 31-01-2019 11:20AM

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Buer wrote: »

Never. It's not like I'm from Kildare.

I'll throw in a free turnip soup. C'mon Buer: TAKE THE SOUP.

troyzer · 31-01-2019 11:20AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'll remind you of your claim

Now come back to be with any poster who said that. Not people saying we should keep TB, or have four in one position.

TB is the only fly half out of contract at the end of the season. By saying you want to keep TB, you're talking about keeping all of your fly halves.

phog · 31-01-2019 11:20AM

troyzer wrote: »

See below.

Not one of those posters have said keep everyone.

So where are you getting that view from?

aloooof · 31-01-2019 11:22AM

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troyzer wrote: »

TB is the only fly half out of contract at the end of the season. By saying you want to keep TB, you're talking about keeping all of your fly halves.

We had Keatley up until, y'know, yesterday.

Mickiemcfist · 31-01-2019 11:27AM

Buer wrote: »

He's had more teams than hot dinners in the last few years. I suspect he knows he's in last chance saloon now and, if he doesn't want his career to end at 33, he better put in some serious performances.

Which he has done, pretty much every time he's stepped on the pitch. TBH I'm hugely surprised he hasn't been picked up by another team while Munster sit on their hands, he's phenomenal IMO.

Cookiemunster · 31-01-2019 11:28AM

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troyzer wrote: »

TB is the only fly half out of contract at the end of the season. By saying you want to keep TB, you're talking about keeping all of your fly halves.

You're moving some great big goal posts today. Until yesterday Ian Keatley was also on the books. You talked about Munster having 5 O/Hs. It was pointed out to you that according to their site so did Leinster last season. You then claimed that some were both O/H and center. It was then pointed out to you that so were some of Munsters. That didn't suit your argument so you then claimed we wanted to keep everyone even though it had been pointed out the players had been or are going to be released.

Where are you going to move them to next?

BoardAtWork · 31-01-2019 11:30AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Not one of the posts are saying Munster should have 9 senior halfbacks at the start of the season i.e. "keep everybody".

Its also a different situation considering the year that's in it. The squad needs a little extra padding in a RWC year.

phog · 31-01-2019 11:31AM

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Kirk Van Houten · 31-01-2019 11:32AM

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not making petty provincial points. I already said that Munster is the outlier here. It's not just from a Leinster perspective. All three of the provinces outside of Munster have adopted this approach of six senior halfbacks, at least one of which can also cover other positions. Until last week, Munster had ten. And not all of it is inherited, since JVG came in he signed Mathewson. He didn't have to. There wasn't such an injury crisis that meant Munster literally had nobody to play at 9.

JJ is a fly half who can play centre and Noel Reid and TB are both centres who can play fly half.

It sounds like we agree that going forward, Munster will probably right the ship. All I'm saying is that as it stands, Munster have far too many on the books and there are people on here who want it to stay that way.

But if you agree with me that some of them have to go then why are we arguing?

The bit in bold - you really should do some fact checking before making statements. Connacht have 8 half backs on the senior squad.

Also you seem to be using that number because its what Leinster have this season. What about last season were Leinster wrong to have 8 half backs and Nacewa on the books?

troyzer · 31-01-2019 11:33AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

You're moving some great big goal posts today. Until yesterday Ian Keatley was also on the books. You talked about Munster having 5 O/Hs. It was pointed out to you that according to their site so did Leinster last season. You then claimed that some were both O/H and center. It was then pointed out to you that so were some of Munsters. That didn't suit your argument so you then claimed we wanted to keep everyone even though it had been pointed out the players had been or are going to be released.

Where are you going to move them to next?

Leinster had five players listed at outhalf. One of them isn't primarily an outhalf though (Reid), one of them never really played and was always going to get cut (Marsh) and one of them was being groomed for Fullback (Carbery).

Until yesterday, Munster also had five and if it goes the same way as Leinster (getting rid of two) I'd be happy enough. The signs are looking good.

Some people here clearly DO want to keep everyone currently playing outhalf at Munster. I've literally quoted them. Whereas it looks like I'm in agreement with some people here that TB will be getting the boot.

We don't actually disagree. My argument was mainly with those who think TB should be kept.

troyzer · 31-01-2019 11:35AM

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

The bit in bold - you really should do some fact checking before making statements. Connacht have 8 half backs on the senior squad.

Also you seem to be using that number because its what Leinster have this season. What about last season were Leinster wrong to have 8 half backs and Nacewa on the books?

Yes! Which is why they've since shifted some. If Munster do the same then there's no complaints.

Connacht have 8 which is fair enough. I forgot about Angus Lloyd. I thought it was 7.

aloooof · 31-01-2019 11:35AM

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troyzer wrote: »

Some people here clearly DO want to keep everyone currently playing outhalf at Munster.

Is it half-backs or outhalf now? I'm finding it difficult to keep up...

phog · 31-01-2019 11:36AM

aloooof wrote: »

Is it half-backs or outhalf now? I'm finding it difficult to keep up...

and Centres and Fullbacks :pac:

troyzer · 31-01-2019 11:37AM

aloooof wrote: »

Is it half-backs or outhalf now? I'm finding it difficult to keep up...

The problem is with half-backs in general but it's clear that there isn't much opposition to Hart getting the axe, which is great. So the problem isn't so much at scrum half.

Though I think Williams should also get the boot.

Mickiemcfist · 31-01-2019 11:38AM

Jesus lads, let MOLFs be MOLFs!

Kirk Van Houten · 31-01-2019 11:41AM

troyzer wrote: »

Yes! Which is why they've since shifted some. If Munster do the same then there's no complaints.

Connacht have 8 which is fair enough. I forgot about Angus Lloyd. I thought it was 7.

And Munster are doing the same. As Cookiemunster pointed out its hard to find out what petty points scoring you want to do because you move the goal posts so much.

I think we can finally agree that you think it should be six because thats what Leinster have. thats the long and the short of it.

its not IRFU policy, its not even consistent across the provinces, its just your belief.

I may actually have to get some work done today so if someone could take over the Trump Fact Checking on your posts that would be great.

(and by the way Gus Lloyd is not listed on Connachts site as a senior player so they in fact have 9 half backs - not the 6 you claimed).

irelandrover · 31-01-2019 02:07PM

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Didn't Leinster try to keep Carbery? So they tried to have 4 outhalfs on the books this year.

Burkie1203 · 31-01-2019 04:17PM

irelandrover wrote: »

Didn't Leinster try to keep Carbery? So they tried to have 4 outhalfs on the books this year.

As a 15

Kirk Van Houten · 31-01-2019 04:28PM

The level of whataboutery and goal shifting by the MOLFs in this thread is just stunning.

I wonder what the next Mole article will be about.

Shefwedfan · 31-01-2019 04:39PM

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

The level of whataboutery and goal shifting by the MOLFs in this thread is just stunning.

I wonder what the next Mole article will be about.

Just keep posting MOLF.....I am sure at some stage, someone might find it hillarious.....

Dubinusa · 31-01-2019 05:19PM

I would suppose that TB would be fairly cheap? He's not played enough nor made the international set up to warrant a big payday.
If he's cheap and useful.... keep him.
Nick McCarthy will probably be the back up to Murray.
Once again, fairly inexpensive and a lot of potential. A very good signing imo.

The Lost Sheep · 31-01-2019 06:17PM

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Dubinusa wrote: »

I would suppose that TB would be fairly cheap? He's not played enough nor made the international set up to warrant a big payday.
If he's cheap and useful.... keep him.
Nick McCarthy will probably be the back up to Murray.
Once again, fairly inexpensive and a lot of potential. A very good signing imo.

I wouldnt say that cheap. But what would you be seeing as cheap.
Wouldnt say probably on McCarthy being back up. Has been said about a lot of guys signed behind Murray.

leakyboots · 31-01-2019 08:04PM

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Don't know if people have mentioned it but Munster have gone through several coaches in a very short period of time, the squad is bound to get disrupted and unsettled when there's so much turnover overhead at management level. This happens in an actual workplace too.

I don't think it's a coincidence that now JvG is settled that we're seeing a bit of balance restored and the squad being trimmed and different areas of it looked at.

who_me · 31-01-2019 08:25PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Are you actually serious? you think it is light?

Max you shoud have 3 for the position
Carberry
JJ or Tyler
Johnson or young player

If Johnson comes good then release a player above and move another young player up in Johnson position.

That is it, anything else is a waste of players and money

(Conversation has moved on a bit, but answering this anyway...)

Yes, I do.

If Carbery wan't in the Irish squad, it wouldn't be a problem. Carbery, JJ and Johnston is a great line-up. However, with Carbery being away for various stretches of the season (international camps, Nov internationals, 6N, rest periods, plus the risk of injuries from international games) then having two other options is risky.

For those periods, we have 2 realistic 10s in the squad. Hanrahan is a very talented player, but IMO not a great 10. Johnston has massive potential, but is still pretty green; IMO a season or two away from being our starting 10 for big games. More worryingly, one injury to either of those 2 and we're down to... I don't even know who's next. Scannell maybe, though he's hardly played 10 since underage rugby. Bring someone up from the Academy?

That's why I was hoping Bleyendaal would stay for another year. By that time, Johnston would be a more realistic 10 option, IMO.

Defunkd · 31-01-2019 11:49PM

leakyboots wrote: »

Don't know if people have mentioned it but Munster have gone through several coaches in a very short period of time, the squad is bound to get disrupted and unsettled when there's so much turnover overhead at management level. This happens in an actual workplace too.

I don't think it's a coincidence that now JvG is settled that we're seeing a bit of balance restored and the squad being trimmed and different areas of it looked at.

We have changed a lot of coaches but to me, the best result was Rassie and the defence coach - forget his name. Such a change in such a short time! It kind of scuttles the idea that it takes a long time for them to gel, settle and see results. Yeah, outr backline attack wasn't spectacular but historically it never was. Up the jumper stuff...but if it wins games it's good.
Tbh, i liked Penney but locks on the wings and lateral rugby wasn't good. I genuinely think he'd have had better success had he come along a few years later.

JVG spoke at some meeting last week and gave hints at his medium-term plans for Munster. The man who relayed it to me was very impressed with JVG's analysis and vision for Munster and got the impression he wants to stay here for the foreseeable future. VG also gave a brief mention to Fineen - reckons he will be International in about a year.

Steve · 01-02-2019 12:09AM

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

The level of whataboutery and goal shifting by the MOLFs in this thread is just stunning.

I wonder what the next Mole article will be about.

Enlighten me please.

MOLF?

leakyboots · 01-02-2019 12:14AM

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Defunkd wrote: »

We have changed a lot of coaches but to me, the best result was Rassie and the defence coach - forget his name. Such a change in such a short time! It kind of scuttles the idea that it takes a long time for them to gel, settle and see results. Yeah, outr backline attack wasn't spectacular but historically it never was. Up the jumper stuff...but if it wins games it's good.
Tbh, i liked Penney but locks on the wings and lateral rugby wasn't good. I genuinely think he'd have had better success had he come along a few years later.

JVG spoke at some meeting last week and gave hints at his medium-term plans for Munster. The man who relayed it to me was very impressed with JVG's analysis and vision for Munster and got the impression he wants to stay here for the foreseeable future. VG also gave a brief mention to Fineen - reckons he will be International in about a year.

Out of the current batch of youngsters he's best placed to make the jump to that level. He's got that bit of dog that you can't coach, Quinny had it, POM has it, and Fineen seems to be cut from the same cloth. Darren O'Shea could do with some of it, Fineen is nowhere near his size but puts himself about far more.

Hope he stays injury free and is given plenty game time in the next 12 months

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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