Brexit Discussion Thread VI

Gintonious wrote: »

Makes a good point, if they leave on the whole WTO garbage, who would want to try and deal with a shower like this?

Us poor sods. Only thing they are good for is bullying their neighbours.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Next phase of the blame game has begun. May goes to Brussels with big smiles and warm words, pledging to battle for the British people.

They remind her - for the 1,000th time - that the backstop is not up for negotiation.

She returns to the UK and tells the country that Brussels has been intransigent and unreasonable. She then appeals to the Blitz spirit, stiff upper lip mentality that they are known for around the world.

Her country will be divided, the GFA will be in tatters, and she'll still have to return to the negotiating table only with a weaker hand, but on the plus side the Tories won't be so cross with her, the media will stop drawing funny pictures of her, and the DUP will pat her on the back for standing up to the bullies.

This is the woman that threw a strop at the suggestion she was 'nebulous'. To call her that is to be generous. She's criminally negligent.

This is exactly whats going to happen. She has been so disingenuous and disgusting carrying on with this pretence knowing beforehand that the EU will not open renegotiations. She will head to Brussels with this new 'mandate', claim the UK wanted to work out a solution and mutually beneficial agreement, blah blah blah, be rebuffed for wasting everyones time and return laying absolutely all of the blame on the EU and Ireland. "We wanted to talk and negotiate in good faith, but the EU being bullys and thinking they could steam roll us, wouldnt talk", it will be along those lines.

This has all been caused by the snap election she called resulting in her needing the DUP. It was they who caused the backstop to be applied to the entire UK, instead of just Northern Ireland (which would have been an incredible outcome for Northern Ireland as it originally stood). And perhaps its just frustration at the impending impact to Ireland as a result of Brexit, but I honestly believe the reason so many in the British Parliament cant stomach the backstop as it is now is because they view it as Ireland, for the first time, not being steamrolled in the history of the relationship of Ireland and Great Britain.

I remember when all of this started 2 years ago and people were saying how ill prepared and aimless the UK position was, but thinking in the end it would be fine. I honestly cant believe the series of events the UK government has caused and carried out during this. Staggering.

And as an aside, Ian Blackford's speech at the end of the debate was spot on.

This kind of shyte is why we need a backstop.

Enzokk wrote: »

The EU has rejected May asking for new negotiations and we have as well it seems.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1090355988153155584

According to Laura Kuenssberg, "Irish govt reaction - 'The Withdrawal Agreement is not open for re-negotiation'"

So May will go back to Brussels to get nothing next week. In the mean time we are then one week closer to Brexit day and even if she gets to somehow get her deal passed with some magic dust, how will they have enough time to get it passed through parliament to make it law in the UK? They will need to ask for an extension of article 50 and I suppose the EU will grant it to them to get it passed.

I think that is very disappointing and there is a much better response to the Brady amendment.


The Irish government and EU should welcome the passing of that amendment with enthusiasm, and absolutely guarantee that once alternative arrangements to prevent a hard border are agreed then the backstop will not apply.


That was always the plan anyway ...

Helen McEntee out of her depth. It's like she's learned off every answer as if she's doing her leaving cert.

More money will now be spent on a no deal outcome.

Hurrache wrote:

She was absolutely fine.

That's the problem.

hotmail.com wrote: »

Helen McEntee out of her depth. It's like she's learned off every answer as if she's doing her leaving cert.

She was perfectly fine

What are you specifically refer to?

BonnieSituation wrote:

Where was she?

Just been on Prime Time discussing the Brexit events from today.

Sky News main headline "Theresa May has taken back control"

Imreoir2 wrote: »

This kind of shyte is why we need a backstop.

Nope, this kind of shyte is why we need to clearly state we will roll out the barbed wire after Brexit day, join Schengen and start making legal provisions for doing this.

It is precisely because we have given the impression that a hard border is completely unthinkable to us that Brexiters believe they can get away with this shyte. So long as they think we will do anything to avoid a hard border, they believe that we will eventually capitulate if they just prove awkward enough. To their mind, they don’t need to compromise if we are going to cave sooner or later to avoid a hard border.

Ian Dunt is getting pretty blunt https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1090365295150141442

I think we need the light relief though.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1090366183499579393

Cover of the Metro: "Over to EU".
The EU won't take this on though. The WA is ready to go and wont be reopened. The UK need to own their horrible mess.

blackcard wrote: »

Sky News main headline "Theresa May has taken back control"

The whole was nicely summarised by one commentator as the Conservatives had finally united behind a common position - just one that had no relation to reality. :-)