Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Paddy Cow · 28-01-2019 06:01PM

I remember watching that "Big Fat Gypsy Wedding" show a few years ago and some of the girls were asked what they wanted in a husband. Top of their list was someone who wouldn't beat them :eek: Fcuks sake like. They were discussing it so casually, like your husband hitting you was something you could expect and be lucky to avoid. I know settled people also commit domestic violence but the default position we have when entering relationships is that violence from either party is unacceptable.

Roger Hassenforder · 28-01-2019 06:14PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I remember watching that "Big Fat Gypsy Wedding" show a few years ago and some of the girls were asked what they wanted in a husband. Top of their list was someone who wouldn't beat them :eek: Fcuks sake like. They were discussing it so casually, like your husband hitting you was something you could expect and be lucky to avoid. I know settled people also commit domestic violence but the default position we have when entering relationships is that violence from either party is unacceptable.

16 times as likely to suffer domestic violence IIRC
Shocking.

AllForIt · 28-01-2019 06:26PM

mikhail wrote: »

The short versions is because their parents don't value it, which is enabled and exacerbated by a failing national policy because it's a politically unpalatable topic.

I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that calling them "in reality a less developed form of life" is exactly the sort of repulsive racism that was directed at this nation. It's fuel for the kinds of folks who think pointing out secondary school completion rates or incarceration rates for travellers amounts to racism. The debate has to be better than that, or it will continue to be impossible outside of some ranty little thread in a corner of the internet.

Travelers in comparison to the Irish of old have no intention of bettering themselves not only because if they did they wouldn't feel they are travelers anymore and no different from the rest of us. I'm loath to use the term settled ppl except to say I'm loath to use the term.

The Irish of old immigrated all over the world to better their lives when it wasn't possible in Ireland at the time they did. I think it is absurd to compare the Irish of old to travellers when the prosperous but not perfect condition of this country today came about precislty because of the hard working ethic of previous generations , for which the current traveller generation can thank for they generous social welfare payments. Travellers have done absolutely nothing to add to the economic advancement of this country.

It is not racism to point out the reality of the traveller attitude. Your right to point out insulting language as you quoted, there is no need for that, and it damages the valid points ppl have to make. But I don't accept that racism is the root cause of traveller issues.

SirChenjin · 28-01-2019 08:38PM

https://connachttribune.ie/homeless-cousin-of-carrickmines-victims-criticises-galway-council-090/

And on and on it goes.

Patrick2010 · 28-01-2019 08:40PM

Mags is quite an IRA supporter isn’t she?
She retweet’s a lot of ira posts like today someone called Laura Costello going on about up the IRA

Paddy Cow · 28-01-2019 08:49PM

SirChenjin wrote: »

https://connachttribune.ie/homeless-cousin-of-carrickmines-victims-criticises-galway-council-090/

And on and on it goes.

What gets me is that Travellers see being on the housing list as some sort of achievement! Travellers absolutely believe that being on a list is some sort of hardship with the ultimate prize being a forever home. It's crazy. Never work (well tax paying work) and get everything handed to you.

tuxy · 28-01-2019 08:53PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Mags is quite an IRA supporter isn’t she?
She retweet’s a lot of ira posts like today someone called Laura Costello going on about up the IRA

I believe she is some kind of anarchist. She loves bombing in the north and riots like the yellow vests in France. Anything that involves chaos and destruction.

Gravelly · 28-01-2019 08:56PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Mags is quite an IRA supporter isn’t she?
She retweet’s a lot of ira posts like today someone called Laura Costello going on about up the IRA

Sharing ira posts on Facebook is about as sure a sign of an idiot as one could ever wish for.

Gimme A Pound · 28-01-2019 09:13PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Travelers in comparison to the Irish of old have no intention of bettering themselves not only because if they did they wouldn't feel they are travelers anymore and no different from the rest of us. I'm loath to use the term settled ppl except to say I'm loath to use the term.

The Irish of old immigrated all over the world to better their lives when it wasn't possible in Ireland at the time they did. I think it is absurd to compare the Irish of old to travellers when the prosperous but not perfect condition of this country today came about precislty because of the hard working ethic of previous generations , for which the current traveller generation can thank for they generous social welfare payments. Travellers have done absolutely nothing to add to the economic advancement of this country.

It is not racism to point out the reality of the traveller attitude. Your right to point out insulting language as you quoted, there is no need for that, and it damages the valid points ppl have to make. But I don't accept that racism is the root cause of traveller issues.

Yeah the Irish in Britain and the US who were looked down on, said **** you and made something out of themselves. Especially in the US. That's how you quell prejudice - not by continuously proving the prejudiced right!

An Claidheamh · 28-01-2019 09:31PM

mikhail wrote: »

I'm no fan of the travellers, but this is going too far, and puts me in mind of old punch cartoons.

The British weren't just making **** up. Poor, uneducated groups tend to have these problems. The travellers would be grand if only their kids saw out their education. Spewing bile about them being subhuman is pig-ignorant.

Give me a break, the British empire from the mid 19th century to the early 20th century were vile thieving murdering racists who often portrayed themselves as victims - "White man's burden" - rather than owning up to their own shame, leading to a mindset that still exists today.

They've got more in common the travellers than law abiding Irish people!

(Remember, being nice and reasonable to the British trying to block Irish freedom never actually worked.)

An Claidheamh · 28-01-2019 09:33PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Sharing ira posts on Facebook is about as sure a sign of an idiot as one could ever wish for.

Maybe Kitty Holland will bring it up when she invites the Cash clan round for Sunday brunch.

Our Kitty can then tell her what she thinks of her religious beliefs aswell.

Unless.... , she, is, by any chance,.......a hypocrite.

28-01-2019 09:41PM

SirChenjin wrote: »

https://connachttribune.ie/homeless-cousin-of-carrickmines-victims-criticises-galway-council-090/

And on and on it goes.

Aren’t they all cousins?

“A homeless Galway cousin of the family of ten that perished in a fire in portacabins in Carrickmines in 2015, has said it was “insensitive” and “unacceptable” of the authorities here to offer her similar temporary accommodation on the same week the inquests were being held in Dublin.

Ballinasloe-born and Manchester-reared Martina Lynch said she was still traumatised by the death of her cousins – five adults and five children – at a fire at a Traveller halting site in South Dublin.

The inquest into the deaths were held last week – the same week she was offered a “portacabin” to live in near the COPE Day Centre in the city.

Ms Lynch said she has been on the County Galway housing waiting list since 2007. She has been couch-surfing at her sister’s Ballinasloe home since last November, because she was thrown-out of her emergency accommodation Bed and Breakfast over what she described as an unproved allegation of smoking cigarettes in her bedroom.

“I spent two nights sleeping rough on the streets after that and now I’m with my sister, sleeping on her couch since November, but she has children and there isn’t any room for me. I suffer from depression and I’m desperate. I just want a home and the County Council doesn’t want to know.

“They said that I was aggressive, and I would agree that I was angry after being thrown out, but it’s becauase I’m not getting help and I have apologised. They have offered me a portacabin on the Seamus Quirke Road. How dare they, in the same week an inquest into the fire that killed ten of my cousins is going on in Dublin. They are for building sites, not for living in,” she said.

Ms Lynch said the portacabin offer was a “joke”; not only was it “insensitive” given the timing, it was unsuitable accommodation and doesn’t fulfil her housing need, she said.

“I’m at the end of my tether. I’m just so fed up with it all, to be honest. There are so many boarded up houses around the county, and in Ballinasloe, but the Council told me they didn’t have the money to do them up.”

Acting Director of Services for Housing, Michael Owens, said the County Council was precluded from commenting on individual cases.”

Roger Hassenforder · 28-01-2019 09:50PM

"How dare they"...

Mad_maxx · 28-01-2019 10:07PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Unfortunately, as Casey found out, there is no debate - it's either shut your mouth or be called a racist. There's no space in Irish media or politics for a debate, therefore people will lash out in frustration on the forums they can.

A dishonest narative creates a vacuum

The current media narative is a lie and does great harm

Mad_maxx · 28-01-2019 10:13PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

They don't value it because there's more money to be had the other way. As the saying goes 'a crooked pound is as good as an honest pound'. And that was said to me by a traveller.

Look, all the discussion in the world isn't going to make a blind bit of difference. Travellers won't engage and tow the line when it comes to responsibility etc. They won't change unless they have to change. And that's not going to happen because we are bending our laws to suit them. Or at least not enforcing them. Here is one example - So what if it's their culture to keep horses, so we have to get them accommodation with stables etc?

Could I say the same if I was from gentry and fell on hard times? Us gentry always had horses, I need stables with my council house? Get ta feck.

Nothing but carrot this past three decades, travellers are spoiled beyond belief

Mad_maxx · 28-01-2019 10:20PM

tuxy wrote: »

Because they don't want their culture to die out. If they went to school and got jobs it would only take a few generations for them to be completely indistinguishable from the rest of the population.
Their whole culture depends on the continuation of this ignorant old fashioned ways.
This is why I find their ethnic status odd, does the government want them to go to school and integrate with society or to continue as is?

The government have pawned off the traveller issue to the quangos and the PC media, the government agree not to tell the truth about the reality of the situation, at least publically, in turn the PC media give broadly positive coverage of the government in return, the left wing media hate middle Ireland so venerate traveller's to annoy us

Worship of minorities is a religion of the left

arse..biscuits · 29-01-2019 10:38AM

I only came across this movie recently, the opening scene is very relevant for the Ireland of today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

Grab All Association · 29-01-2019 11:47AM

Was in Mickey D’s Limerick getting coffee and a woman who had mobility problems had left the counter and was just about to sit down at the priority seats near the door when traveller tan monsters (like literally dosed in the stuff) walked in the door and shouted those seats are taken. Within seconds the doors were opened fully and two more women came along prams where wheeled in. They sat there for 15 minutes and the ones with the prams left without ordering anything. Their disdain for the disabled is unbelievable.

McGrath5 · 29-01-2019 01:16PM

These traveling sales people are a common problem around the country, looks like our favorite minority is behind it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0129/1026215-bantry-cork/

trout · 29-01-2019 01:27PM

McGrath5 wrote: »

These traveling sales people are a common problem around the country, looks like our favorite minority is behind it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0129/1026215-bantry-cork/

Shocking criminal behaviour there ... that lady cancelled the cheques, but kept the goods!

sligojoek · 29-01-2019 01:47PM

McGrath5 wrote: »

These traveling sales people are a common problem around the country, looks like our favorite minority is behind it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0129/1026215-bantry-cork/

Ah those Amish. Up to no good as usual, Dougal.

Paddy Cow · 29-01-2019 01:50PM

trout wrote: »

Shocking criminal behaviour there ... that lady cancelled the cheques, but kept the goods!

How long before the "salesmen" realise they've been had and return looking for their money?

mayota · 29-01-2019 01:53PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

How long before the "salesmen" realise they've been had and return looking for their money?

They’ll have had the cheques cashed in a local shop or business and be long gone.

Plumbthedepths · 29-01-2019 02:05PM

mayota wrote:

Theyâ€™ll have had the cheques cashed in a local shop or business and be long gone.

According to the report in the Times the lady managed to get several of the cheques cancelled.

emeldc · 29-01-2019 02:12PM

mayota wrote: »

They’ll have had the cheques cashed in a local shop or business and be long gone.

That's the bit I'll never understand. Who in their right mind would cash a cheque for any of these skangers. When all the cheques are stopped the businesses will lose out............and they'll deserve it.

ohnonotgmail · 29-01-2019 02:13PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

According to the report in the Times the lady managed to get several of the cheques cancelled.

if they managed to find somebody stupid enough to take the cheque from them before she did this it becomes somebody elses problem.

mcmoustache · 29-01-2019 02:21PM

McGrath5 wrote: »

These traveling sales people are a common problem around the country, looks like our favorite minority is behind it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0129/1026215-bantry-cork/

Neither report that I have seen on this mentions whether or not they are travellers. I'm quite certain that they are, of course, but I don't think it has been confirmed either way.

airy fairy · 29-01-2019 02:27PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Neither report that I have seen on this mentions whether or not they are travellers. I'm quite certain that they are, of course, but I don't think it has been confirmed either way.

If it was confirmed by media that they were travellers, there'd be unmerciful screeching from that minority shouting racism.
We all know who committed this crime, but we're not allowed say, cause it's not pc.

James Brown · 29-01-2019 02:31PM

airy fairy wrote: »

If it was confirmed by media that they were travellers, there'd be unmerciful screeching from that minority shouting racism.
We all know who committed this crime, but we're not allowed say, cause it's not pc.

Give over. The majority aren't racist that's why. I'm not even defending Travelers, just your idea that only the minority aren't racist is an insult to Irish society never mind Travelers. I don't believe we're a nation of silent racists. Racists tend to like the sound of their own voice.

hawkelady · 29-01-2019 02:45PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Give over. The majority aren't racist that's why. I'm not even defending Travelers, just your idea that only the minority aren't racist is an insult to Irish society never mind Travelers. I don't believe we're a nation of silent racists. Racists tend to like the sound of their own voice.

What are you on about. He is right. If a newspaper said they are travellers , joe Duffy would be roaring crying about the racist comment. Unless a traveller has been convicted of a crime
, you won’t hear any news outlet use the word traveller , even though we all bloody know it’s them that’s committing crimes

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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