* Motors chat - round 12 *

Toyotafanboi · 28-01-2019 12:18PM

No haggle is a big move, particularly for Ireland, everyone expects a haggle. I'd say this will work well both for the business and the consumer, like a supermarket, there's the price, that's it. Open 7 days, still not too many dealers doing that, used car warranties including service plans. It'd be a refreshing buying experience because there is no smoke and mirrors and hard sells. Everything is menu priced, the cars, the warranties and the services.

Also, it'l be one of the first, if not the first trustworthy "we buy cars for cash" outlets in Ireland. The prices will no doubt still be low ball, but at least the buyer is trustworthy, so if you "need the car gone", these guys will do you a deal without having to purchase from them too.

morritty · 28-01-2019 12:19PM

CIP4 wrote: »

Actually on NCTs does anyone know do you have to display the actual disk or are you ok once your car just has a valid NCT ? I know with tax and insurance you do have to display it. Just my car is due it’s first in the next year and prefer just having the two disks.

Have you checked how much you'll get as a trade in off a new A4?

ShadowHearth · 28-01-2019 12:48PM

LIGHTNING wrote: »

For some people the idea of the sales man and haggling is stressful and puts them off the entire buying process. The idea that you go in and no messing around appeals to certain people. Not for me but I think to have that choice is a good thing.

Maybe on paper it's a good thing, but I somehow doubt it will be priced well in the first place. You are right though, have a choice is good.

Will they still do trade ins? Because sure as feck people will haggle on that.

colm_mcm · 28-01-2019 12:57PM

Yep, if youre on a no haggle price system, that means if they are pricing them correctly for what they are, they’ll be offering less on paper for trade ins than the fella building in a margin for discount but charging more.

You’d think this would be the ideal system but Fiat proved with open book pricing 20 years ago that people don’t understand the concept of cost to change.

I love the idea myself, and hopefully it’ll help the used car market here move on from where it is now.

ELM327 · 28-01-2019 12:59PM

The sooner we move to the system that Tesla have for used cars the better, click "buy" online and pick up your car the next week.
Can't be doing with this haggling crap.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 28-01-2019 01:00PM

ELM327 wrote: »

The sooner we move to the system that Tesla have for used cars the better, click "buy" online and pick up your car the next week.
Can't be doing with this haggling crap.

Yeah about that

Check out a guy called rich rebuilds on YouTube.

He did just that and it was a major tit job altogether.

colm_mcm · 28-01-2019 01:01PM

Tesla’s used car programme seems to be a bit of a shambles.

ELM327 · 28-01-2019 01:05PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Yeah about that

Check out a guy called rich rebuilds on YouTube.

He did just that and it was a major tit job altogether.

Rich Rebuilds, is that the guy that cobbled together two teslas and was surprised when it wouldn't update? Yeah he's a bit of a moron tbh wouldnt be holding him up as a pedestal for anything.

fancy pigeon · 28-01-2019 01:12PM

Truckermal wrote: »

Just got a notification on my phone from YouTube to watch MR. Fancy pigeons latest video...:pac:

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is he doing videos?!

Feck! All I have on that channel are crappy dashcam vids...

Must put a bit more interesting content up someday!

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 28-01-2019 01:17PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Rich Rebuilds, is that the guy that cobbled together two teslas and was surprised when it wouldn't update? Yeah he's a bit of a moron tbh wouldnt be holding him up as a pedestal for anything.

He did but a Tesla online and took about 3 months and a mountain of phonecalls to get it with a lot of fluting around

I didn't bother with his previous videos tbh , that just caught my attention recently

28-01-2019 01:21PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/joe-duffy-motors-new-no-haggle-used-car-network-will-also-buy-your-car-1.3772453?mode=amp

A very appealing way to pedal your trade stock, very similar to Kearys CarStore. Nice to see a break away from more conventional dealer concepts all the same.

There was some crowd in Little Island in Cork at this concept years ago, dunno if they are still there or not. Price you see, price you pay type thing and they'd give anyone finance too (more or less)

http://www.autodirect.ie/

Think this is them, dunno are they after changing tactics but I was in there once and the sales guys were literally just like shop assistants in Super Value or whatever.

28-01-2019 01:25PM

Over 500 miles the CLA200d I had returned 45mpg. Not bad to be fair. Couldn't really drive it on too much for half of that as conditions weren't great and a broken down truck caused a jam too.

On the return trip to the airport there was some autobahn but it wasn't the straightest ........ think the fastest I got going was 185kph.

I owuldn't be the greatest of pilots and the CLA wasn't pulling like fnck over 160kph either so the little bends were coming quicker than it was gathering more speed at 180kph +.

I'd booked a C class (large car), dunno is the CLA that but it was ok for the price I paid. Given the conditions for some of the trip front wheel drive was probably best anyway maybe.

CIP4 · 28-01-2019 07:59PM

morritty wrote: »

Have you checked how much you'll get as a trade in off a new A4?

Ah no I didn’t I am not looking for a new car and if I was would be highly unlikely to buy a new A4 even though I like them a 191 one would be almost identical to my 161 one bar a slightly different front and rear bumper difficult to justify giving 25-30k along with my own for that level of change.

Really like the Arteon but there is just something about them that puts me off not sure what it is.

tossy · 28-01-2019 08:01PM

CIP4 wrote: »

just something about them that puts me off not sure what it is.

Is it because it's a VW ? Are you worried that colleagues and neighbours will think you've fallen on hard times ?

....and it was all going so well for the young man...

CIP4 · 28-01-2019 09:00PM

tossy wrote: »

Is it because it's a VW ? Are you worried that colleagues and neighbours will think you've fallen on hard times ?

....and it was all going so well for the young man...

:pac: ah the big thing is the residuals of it would bother me obviously all new(/ish) cars lose a lot of money but I just have a feeling the Arteon price used will just completely drop off a cliff secondhand. As I would worry that when you go to trade it you will basically be just offered what a Passat is worth despite the fact an Arteon is 15k plus more expensive new. When you look at the Passat CC even a few years ago they seemed to be being sold very cheap.

Could be completely wrong of course.

vintagevrs · 28-01-2019 10:39PM

tossy wrote: »

Is it because it's a VW ? Are you worried that colleagues and neighbours will think you've fallen on hard times ?

That sounds like the voice of experience

tossy · 29-01-2019 12:17AM

vintagevrs wrote: »

That sounds like the voice of experience

It's my 4th VW though i have form

James Bond Junior · 29-01-2019 06:28PM

Just a warning to all ye BMW drivers pressing the boot open key on the fob doesn't unlock the doors so when you leave the keys in the boot and close it you are goosed and hilarity ensues..

MetzgerMeister · 29-01-2019 06:29PM

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Just a warning to all ye BMW drivers pressing the boot open key on the fob doesn't unlock the doors so when you leave the keys in the boot and close it you are goosed and hilarity ensues..

It does on mine.

vintagevrs · 29-01-2019 06:56PM

Got my EGR checked today by BM, all fine and apparently doesn't need replaced.

Sat into a new 850i. It was a bit meh. This was in the north and it had a price tag of 110k stg, so no idea what that would be down here, maybe 160? The interior is lovely and it's jammed with kit and all but even if the lotto numbers came up and me liking BMW I'm not sure I'd even test drive it. Most impressive thing on it for me was the front brakes.

Wailin · 29-01-2019 08:00PM

Here's a good review of the 840d. Love how he superimposes the old 8 series and 6 series over the new model, very nicely done.

My own passed the EGR test too recently, happy days :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te35vF1woR4

GustavoFring · 29-01-2019 08:45PM

Had the EGR and a service done last week and got the all clear too.

Hers is booked in next week...funnily enough got told (by a different dealer than the one I used) that if it has the fault they'll be keeping the car until a part becomes available. No loaner possible either.

vintagevrs · 29-01-2019 08:57PM

Think BMW group cover the cost of a hire car in that circumstance. Loads of ones on forums had enterprise supplied cars in UK for weeks/months. Whilst I was sitting sipping my coffee half the calls the service guy was taking I could hear him chatting about EGRs and supply problems. Customers calling in wondering when the part/car would be ready.

The cost to BMW of this recall must be absolutely massive.

Toyotafanboi · 29-01-2019 09:01PM

I think it's crazy how they can "all clear" those EGR checks.

There is a known defect with them that causes the car to go up in flames. Of course they can and do give them the A-OK to say they were fine upon inspection on a given day which covers them for due diligence but what's to say the issue won't appear down the line and who will be covering the cost then?

Oh, the people who designed the known faulty part said they checked it and its definitely fine, at this present moment, so it must be ok. Indeed.

If VW tried this, there'd be a lynch mob.

GustavoFring · 29-01-2019 09:06PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

Think BMW group cover the cost of a hire car in that circumstance. Loads of ones on forums had enterprise supplied cars in UK for weeks/months. Whilst I was sitting sipping my coffee half the calls the service guy was taking I could hear him chatting about EGRs and supply problems. Customers calling in wondering when the part/car would be ready.

The cost to BMW of this recall must be absolutely massive.

No car full stop I was told. Considering at that point we hadn't even received a letter on the recall it was too big a risk to take losing the car tbh. Called back and it's booked in but I said if it needs it and parts aren't available it's coming out of there either way until it's fixed. Put on hold and then told if I did that on my head be it.

Expecting someone to hand a car over when parts aren't widely available is pushing it, and they couldn't give any indication of when parts would be available. Seems a bit of a shambles.

Wailin · 29-01-2019 09:19PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I think it's crazy how they can "all clear" those EGR checks.

There is a known defect with them that causes the car to go up in flames. Of course they can and do give them the A-OK to say they were fine upon inspection on a given day which covers them for due diligence but what's to say the issue won't appear down the line and who will be covering the cost then?

Oh, the people who designed the known faulty part said they checked it and its definitely fine, at this present moment, so it must be ok. Indeed.

If VW tried this, there'd be a lynch mob.

N47 engine egr module has to be replaced, whether it's showing signs of leaking or not. N57, on the other hand, just needs to be checked and only replaced if it's faulty.

vintagevrs · 29-01-2019 09:28PM

Wailin wrote: »

Here's a good review of the 840d.

Haven't seen that guy before but really liked his angle on it. I completely agree with him on the interior. Poking my head into a few cars today it's not easy to tell the difference in them at all. I get that a lot of work goes into the ergonomics and that there needs to be some continuity across the brand, but if I'm paying for the top of the line model I would want the interior to feel more special.

vintagevrs · 29-01-2019 09:30PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I think it's crazy how they can "all clear" those EGR checks.

There is a known defect with them that causes the car to go up in flames. Of course they can and do give them the A-OK to say they were fine upon inspection on a given day which covers them for due diligence but what's to say the issue won't appear down the line and who will be covering the cost then?

Oh, the people who designed the known faulty part said they checked it and its definitely fine, at this present moment, so it must be ok. Indeed.

If VW tried this, there'd be a lynch mob.

I was told my part number fell out of the scope of the recall and no need for it to be replaced once checked that it was fine. Hopefully they know what they are at in regards to which need replaced.

Truckermal · 29-01-2019 09:36PM

Bad night for a RWD....:P

James Bond Junior · 29-01-2019 09:38PM

Truckermal wrote: »

Bad night for a RWD....:P

Great night for a RWD too

:p:p

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