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Australian Open 2019

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  • #502
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Roddick had an indian summer. Played out of his skin in that tournament. His serve was bang on. Federer went back to beating him easily before and after that tournament. Del Potro was a far better player than anything Federer was facing between 04-07, but he was injured most of the time. After Nadal was put out with his first major injury, Federer started winning slams again, including the French, that simple. We can nit pick other individual games between 04-07 that also went to 5 sets for Federer, doesn't mean he deteriorated by 08 because he had a few 5 setters. Unless Novak is way better than Federer ever was, cruising to slams 4 years "past his peak"?



    Read above, addresses most of these points. Also, between 04-07, Federer had little competition. So in his "GOAT years", he actually had no one to measure his greatness against? See that's par for the course with competition, it's going to rattle your confidence. Federer's free ride ended in 08, doubt was feeding into his mind, particularly against Nadal.

    Not true re Roddick. Roddick beat Federer in Miami in their one and only meeting in 2008. There were also some close matches between the two in 2009 leading into Wimbledon.

    Nice try though.


  • #503
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Upright Row wrote: »
    So the entire field improved in 2008, it suddenly jumped up from 2007 :rolleyes: I never realise Stepanek and Blake became so good in 2008 suddenly.

    Do you seriously think glandular fever would have no impact on a player's season? It ended Soderling's career.

    Between 08 and 09 Novak and Murray were coming onto the scene, Nadal became the finished article as an all court player, Wawrinka and Del Porto were also starting to show up etc. But ye, just keep picking some random subpar players to shoehorn in.

    People say Federer was at his best between 04-07, and this was a relatively weak era. Who did he prove his greatness against?


  • #504
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    So many posts to scroll past, the exact same discussion being had after every single grand slam :eek: Can we maybe stick to the designated thread for it?

    Anyway, I didn't watch the match, but surprised it was so one-sided. Barring a terrible injury, I can't really see how Djokovic won't end up with the most slams.

    As for the year ahead, it looks like I've nothing to look forward to on the ATP side, the 'next gen', whoever the hell they are, are nowhere close to breaking through. On the WTA side obviously there's lots, how will Osaka fare for the rest of the year? I'm very interested to see how she'll do at RG, she's already reached the 3rd round twice.


  • #505
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Upright Row wrote: »
    I never mentioned anything about "proving greatness", I said he was at his peak in those years, more so 2005-2007.

    By the way one could argue the current era is even weaker, the only competition Novak has is a Faded Nadal and a late thirties Federer.

    Every single time you make a new account you're always banned again within the hour. Are you not embarrassed? :confused:


  • #506
    Badabing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Badabing


    Will Federer go to RG, i can't see the point only if it's his last year and he wants to say goodbye. Still has a decent chance at Wimbledon if he stays fit.


  • #507
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Upright Row wrote: »
    I never mentioned anything about "proving greatness", I said he was at his peak in those years, more so 2005-2007.

    By the way one could argue the current era is even weaker, the only competition Novak has is a Faded Nadal and a late thirties Federer.

    Well if his supposed peak was in an era with little competition, then it doesn't mean all that much relatively speaking.

    This era right now may be weak, but Novak and Nadal have already proved themselves again and again in years gone by against each other, Murray, Del Potro, Federer, Wawrika etc. Federer has been a distant 3rd since 2008, when all are fit. Whether this particular era is weaker than 04-07 has nothing to do with the point I'm making


  • #508
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Federer is the GOAT.
    Anybody arguing about that just doesn't like the man or something.
    Don't bother waiting me to argue because I'll just dismiss it as you having an agenda.
    I've covered this stuff on this site in the past.
    Nadal has probably reached a higher level at stages in his career but he has had too many injuries and losses of form. Djokovic needs to stay at the top for another three to four years to be considered a challenger to Federer for GOAT status. We can talk about it then if that happens.


  • #509
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057836001


  • #510
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Federer is the GOAT.
    Anybody arguing about that just doesn't like the man or something.
    Don't bother waiting me to argue because I'll just dismiss it as you having an agenda.
    I've covered this stuff on this site in the past.
    Nadal has probably reached a higher level at stages in his career but he has had too many injuries and losses of form. Djokovic needs to stay at the top for another three to four years to be considered a challenger to Federer for GOAT status. We can talk about it then if that happens.

    Well said. Fed is also the GOAT for me, but I do honestly think that the title is on borrowed time. Nadal/Djokovic will catch his GS tally, and then what..

    Anyway, few more thoughts from today, did anyone else think Nadal looked particularly slow? I know he has lost a step, but seemed to be constantly stretching to shots, lateral movement wasn't great. I'm also really intrigued to see how (if) he plays Miami & IW. Will more competitive HC matchs improve his new attacking game, or will he revert to the clay court norm - as he did today? As for Djokovic, he looks invincible at the moment


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  • #511
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Zverev and Shapovalov will come through soon and take over I think.

    What makes you think they're in any way close?


  • #512
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Johnmb wrote: »
    Tennis is why I watch tennis. The GOAT debate is pointless as there are too many variables, not least of which is how do you measure it? The number of slams measurement only became a thing during the Sampras era, nobody before him was that bothered about counting the totals, so how do you measure what they achieved given that they often didn't even bother to show up for slams that didn't suit their calendar, in in the case of Laver, he didn't play any for a considerable period. Then you get into equipment. Put a wooden racket with natural gut string into the hands of a modern player, and that's Djokovic and Nadal completely out of the equation. Put a modern racket and strings into Laver's hands, and.... who knows? He'd definitely have to completely change his style of play, would that still be as successful? It's impossible to say, and pointless. Right now, we know who the best player in the world is, that is all we know.

    Don’t know much about the current goat debate or interminable ins and outs of it, but every word of that post rings true and can probably more or less translate into most other sports too.


  • #513
    velo.2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭velo.2010


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Federer is the GOAT.
    Anybody arguing about that just doesn't like the man or something.
    Don't bother waiting me to argue because I'll just dismiss it as you having an agenda.
    So someone can't offer a rational argument as to why he may not be the greatest of all time? If they do, it must mean they dislike Federer. What nonsense. Straw man much!


  • #514
    dominatinMC
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    Upright Row wrote:
    He did look slow today, that's what happens when you get older, not even Novak is as fast as he used to be.

    Didn't think Novak looked any different to usual tbh. That stretching of his looked as good as ever


  • #515
    Chivito550
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    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Didn't think Novak looked any different to usual tbh. That stretching of his looked as good as ever

    To the untrained eye anyone can look as good as before, but scientific fact is that humans reach peak speed around 23.

    Look at Usain Bolt for example. Hit his peak at 23. He was still fast as f*ck after that, and if there was no clock there, not many would notice the difference. But there IS a difference.


  • #516
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,618 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The GOAT debate is interesting..

    For me, Fed deserves it when you assess as much criteria as possible.

    Key criteria being success/longevity, GS titles won, and actual skills on the court. Nobody IMO has ever shown the amazing brilliance on a tennis court quite like RF. Every single facet of the game.

    All on their “best day” I think it’s razor close H2H..

    Could be 50/50 split in terms of who beats who..

    Might lean with Nole ever so slightly here. He just matches up so well..

    And it’s his ridiculous defense and court coverage that sees this..


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  • #517
    The Golden Miller
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Not true re Roddick. Roddick beat Federer in Miami in their one and only meeting in 2008. There were also some close matches between the two in 2009 leading into Wimbledon.

    Nice try though.

    So that can't account for Roddick coming into some form. He often ran Federer close between 04-07. No it can only mean Federer was way past it in 08. He beat Roddick 4 times in 09, including straight sets in Oz. I guess one defeat to Roddick proves beyond all doubt that Federer was past it.

    You've never actually addressed one point I've continually made. You never account for a loss of confidence or doubting oneself in Federer, which comes with the territory of having real competition. It reeks of an insecurity complex by those unable to admit he was often bested, no he had to be "past it"


  • #518
    WicklowBrave
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    Novak Djokovic is the best men's tennis player ever. Deep down, everyone who watches tennis knows this. He is odds on to win 20+ slams.


  • #519
    Floppybits
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    Badabing wrote: »
    Will Federer go to RG, i can't see the point only if it's his last year and he wants to say goodbye. Still has a decent chance at Wimbledon if he stays fit.

    Yep he indicated in a press conference at the Australian open that he will be playing the French Open this year.


  • #520
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    So that can't account for Roddick coming into some form. He often ran Federer close between 04-07. No it can only mean Federer was way past it in 08. He beat Roddick 4 times in 09, including straight sets in Oz. I guess one defeat to Roddick proves beyond all doubt that Federer was past it.

    You've never actually addressed one point I've continually made. You never account for a loss of confidence or doubting oneself in Federer, which comes with the territory of having real competition. It reeks of an insecurity complex by those unable to admit he was often bested, no he had to be "past it"

    So you think losing to Nadal caused Federer a catastrophic loss of confidence that he started losing to journeymen in 2008?

    I suppose you think that the glandular fever was a hoax too.

    Loss of confidence against Nadal might have an affect in matches against NADAL, but it is not going to make him lose to the B-listers he lost to in 2008.

    He wasn’t 100%. So what. That’s life. They aren’t robots. Accept it! There were plenty of times Nadal and Djokovic haven’t been at 100% too.


  • #521
    walshb
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    I always enjoy that an excuse is allowed for Rafa losing to Soderling in 2009, yet no excuse is allowed for Roger losing to Novak in 2008 Australian Open.

    What excuse has RF here?

    Glandular fever? Far too much being made of this. You don’t make a slam final if you’re not up for it and fit. And it’s not like it was Nole’s first win over RF.

    Plenty players get injured or suffer bouts of illnesses...you’d swear RF was a deaths door the way some of his fanboys hype this sh1t up..

    RF suffered with GF for a brief period of time in 2008. Big deal. He was fully recovered by April or so of that year..

    The other poster comparing it to Soderling, who battled the illness for several bloody years....


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  • #522
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again. The 2008 Wimbledon Final was overrated in terms of quality. It was epic drama, but the quality wasn’t vintage Federer or Nadal. Nadal should have had that won in straight sets that day. He choked, and let Federer back into it.

    The 2009 Australian Open Final is the greatest match in terms of quality I have ever seen between Roger and Rafa. The first 4 sets was two guys playing immense tennis. It sadly didn’t have the epic finale that Wimbledon had, but the quality overall was much better.


  • #523
    Royale with Cheese
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    I've always been a big Federer fan but can see Djokovic ending up with the bigger legacy, he just looked unbeatable today. While Nadal is a great player and competitor, I just don't think you could consider him the overall greatest of the 3 if he ends up with 14+ French opens.

    Truth be told there's fúck all between the three of them, but another few years of sustained Djokovic success might change that.


  • #524
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Maybe Top Trumps should release a 'Tennis Players' set of cards.
    Instead of the usual 4/5 criteria it sounds like we'd need around 20 different parameters for tennis.


  • #525
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,618 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The 2008 final was stunning quality..

    Great that you have such the keen eye to so clearly able to say that its quality was not as good as other years..

    Let’s say you are right...we’ll, it’s darn close to being as good...


  • #526
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    walshb wrote: »
    What excuse has RF here?

    Glandular fever? Far too much being made of this. You don’t make a slam final if you’re not up for it and fit. And it’s not like it was Nole’s first win over RF.

    Plenty players get injured or suffer bouts of illnesses...you’d swear RF was a deaths door the way some of his fanboys hype this sh1t up..

    RF suffered with GF for a brief period of time in 2008. Big deal. He was fully recovered by April or so of that year..

    The other poster comparing it to Soderling, who battled the illness for several bloody years....

    If you are usually ahead of the pack, and you are at 90%, you can get past the dross, but that won’t enough come a semi final against the world number 3.

    Federer only scraped past Tipsaravic 10-8 in the 5th in the third round. Hardly vintage Federer.


  • #527
    walshb
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    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    Usain Bolt was fastest in 2009 at 23,if we didn't have conclusive evidence people would be saying he was faster in the following years as people just like to think that the current year is the peak.

    Tennis and athletics being compared here is just so stupid..

    Tennis has far far more variables to consider. Plus it’s much easier to measure...


  • #528
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,618 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    That's exactly my point, we can measure conclusively in athletics peaks. It's not as easy in Tennis. But you can still do it.

    It’s not really your point. Too much to consider in tennis to back up your such certainty..


  • #529
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    So you think losing to Nadal caused Federer a catastrophic loss of confidence that he started losing to journeymen in 2008?

    I suppose you think that the glandular fever was a hoax too.

    Loss of confidence against Nadal might have an affect in matches against NADAL, but it is not going to make him lose to the B-listers he lost to in 2008.

    He wasn’t 100%. So what. That’s life. They aren’t robots. Accept it! There were plenty of times Nadal and Djokovic haven’t been at 100% too.

    What journeymen? Roddick? Ye but apparently Roddick is simultaneously brilliant to show how tough that era was too.

    Loss of confidence wouldn't have a knock on effect? News to me. Also, to best Nadal, surely Federer had to work on his game and implement new things, no? Surely he had to work on these facets against other players too?

    Either way, this is all marginal stuff. Nadal had just surpassed Federer by this point. So Federer was at his peak in 07? Nadal had him tied up in knots on his favourite surface in Wimbledon that year too. Won 6 games on the bounce was it, before he was stretchered off for 20 minutes. A real knock that the world could see, not some mitigating excuse after the fact, ala 08. Federer fans tend not to talk about Nadal's injury in the 07 final though. Until that point, there was only one winner. Federer was struggling past a teenage Nadal on all surfaces during his "peak" years ffs


  • #530
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    Nope, 52 unforced errors from Federer, that's very sloppy.

    Indirect forced errors I would have said


  • #531
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    I'd say Federer's peak year was 2006. Nadal is a great player who peaked young, why would you expect Federer to brush aside Nadal? Nadal has a game that matches up well against Federer due to his unusual high bouncing forehand onto Federer's single handed backhand.

    Well if he's the GOAT, surely the mark of true greatness is to find a way to adapt and beat Nadal. The beatings were just getting worse until Nadal took a serious injury in 09 was it?


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  • #532
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Nadal has had injuries all his career. Bad luck? I’d have thought this is a reflection of his style of play. Staying fit is part of the sport too.

    How often has Federer missed a grand slam? His playing style is smarter. He doesn’t flog his body like Nadal does.

    Illness is a difference kettle of fish. Why did Federer get mono? Was it tennis related? I have no idea.


  • #533
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    Whatever you want to call them, they rose in 2008.

    Ye, due to the quality of returns he was facing that he couldn't handle.


  • #534
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    When did I say he's the GOAT? You're projecting.

    I'm merely arguing that he was past his peak in 2008. I think there is an argument for all three of them as goat.

    I don't agree that he was past his peak, and if so it's marginal stuff. If he won the 08 final, we would be told his peak was 03-08


  • #535
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    From wiki:

    In March, Federer revealed that he had recently been diagnosed with mononucleosis and that he may have suffered from it as early as December 2007. He noted, however, that he was now "medically cleared to compete".[1] Despite being cleared to compete Federer admitted that he had suffered a significant dip in fitness due to his struggle with mononucleosis, which would prove to negatively impact his results till the Miami Masters in which he lost to long-time foe, Andy Roddick.

    So he was fully fit for Wimbledon then?


  • #536
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    In 2008 Federer lost 6-3 6-2 vs Mardy Fish :D

    He lost against Giles Simon.
    He lost against Stepanek.
    He lost against Ivo Karlovic.
    He lost against James Blake.

    He keeps ignoring this.


  • #537
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    In 2008 Federer lost 6-3 6-2 vs Mardy Fish :D

    He lost against Giles Simon.
    He lost against Stepanek.
    He lost against Ivo Karlovic.
    He lost against James Blake.

    He's lost matches in every year he's played


  • #538
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    He keeps ignoring this.

    I don't. He was fully fit for Wimbledon regardless of defeats that happened months earlier. What did you think of Nadal's injury in the 07 final? Did it have any bearing on the match you think?


  • #539
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Kaffeekuche wrote: »
    I wouldn't say he was peak if he won the 2008 final. He won the US Open in 2008 but he he was still well past his peak.

    He lost a few matches months before Wimbledon. His confidence was rocked thereafter


  • #540
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    This thread


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  • #541
    RosyLily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭RosyLily


    As was pointed out pages ago, there's a thread especially for GOAT debate. Why not use it


  • #542
    Hector Savage
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    WicklowBrave wrote: »
    Novak Djokovic is the best men's tennis player ever. Deep down, everyone who watches tennis knows this. He is odds on to win 20+ slams.

    ah now! hold your horses there !!


  • #543
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    RosyLily wrote: »
    As was pointed out pages ago, there's a thread especially for GOAT debate. Why not use it

    Can you maybe move the posts? Like people are entitled to discuss it if they want, but when it goes on for page after page, most of it being driven by banned posters with multiple accounts, and gets more traction than any of the actual matches that took place during the tournament, it's just insufferable.


  • #544
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Well well well ....
    well well well well well .....

    Jaysus Christ I did not expect this !!! for the first time I'm slightly dissapointed Nadal didn't win as I could have done with the winnings!

    Anyway, fantastic to see Djokovic win, I really did not expect him to win so easily, I thought at best a repeat of 2012 AO final...
    Amazing times, really sets it up
    Only 2 slams between Djokovic and Nadal now, it could have been 4 - with Nadal on the double slam!
    Now it's completely flipped with Djokovic having that double slam chance in May.


  • #545
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    Are there doubts over drug use on these players?


  • #546
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    I don't. He was fully fit for Wimbledon regardless of defeats that happened months earlier. What did you think of Nadal's injury in the 07 final? Did it have any bearing on the match you think?

    Of course it had a bearing, but as I said before:

    Nadal has had injuries all his career. Bad luck? I’d have thought this is a reflection of his style of play. Staying fit is part of the sport too.

    How often has Federer missed a grand slam? His playing style is smarter. He doesn’t flog his body like Nadal does.

    Illness is a difference kettle of fish. Why did Federer get mono? Was it tennis related? I have no idea.

    Nadal chooses to play the way he does. Live by the sword, die by the sword.


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  • #547
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Well well well ....
    well well well well well .....

    Jaysus Christ I did not expect this !!! for the first time I'm slightly dissapointed Nadal didn't win as I could have done with the winnings!

    Anyway, fantastic to see Djokovic win, I really did not expect him to win so easily, I thought at best a repeat of 2012 AO final...
    Amazing times, really sets it up
    Only 2 slams between Djokovic and Nadal now, it could have been 4 - with Nadal on the double slam!
    Now it's completely flipped with Djokovic having that double slam chance in May.


    Next time back Nadal e/w :)


  • #548
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Perifect wrote: »
    Are there doubts over drug use on these players?

    Lots, but probably a conversation we can't have on here.


  • #549
    Perifect
    Closed Accounts Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Perifect


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    Lots, but probably a conversation we can't have on here.

    Maybe the debate should be about who's doctor is the goat? :D


  • #550
    Chivito550
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    josip wrote: »
    Next time back Nadal e/w :)

    Nice 32.50 profit for me. Very generous odds on the ew portion.


  • #551
    dominatinMC
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Well well well ....
    well well well well well .....

    Jaysus Christ I did not expect this !!! for the first time I'm slightly dissapointed Nadal didn't win as I could have done with the winnings!

    Anyway, fantastic to see Djokovic win, I really did not expect him to win so easily, I thought at best a repeat of 2012 AO final...
    Amazing times, really sets it up
    Only 2 slams between Djokovic and Nadal now, it could have been 4 - with Nadal on the double slam!
    Now it's completely flipped with Djokovic having that double slam chance in May.


    I take it you didn't cash out then?! Sickner for you as you had the balls to pick him from the outset, when most wouldn't go near him. In hindsight, I think he did well to get to the final, but maybe his lack of competitive play (especially with the new attacking strategy) caught up with him. Needless to say that Djokovic was on fire, but had Nadal more confidence in himself, he might have made it more competitive (he was never going to win it though!) :pac:


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